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Post by Fisch on Oct 12, 2021 15:55:14 GMT
Looks a bit like a warning shot across the bow from Teague there. Good timing and the right level of response I reckon.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 12, 2021 16:00:51 GMT
Looks a bit like a warning shot across the bow from Teague there. Good timing and the right level of response I reckon. That’s how I see it Fisch. Investment is heavy and results are expected. A little, gentle reminder, won’t go unnoticed. This is a business and the business is winning and promotion. All else is window dressing. People will pay to see a winning team. People will invest in a winning team. My kind of approach.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 18:26:10 GMT
I still think that the club should have signed a proven goal scorer and I think it could prove costly at the end of the season. Yes I know they don’t grow on trees but there were still some available before the season started. Smith has turned out ok but he can’t do it on his own. Another problem has been that players have been brought in have been either injured or unavailable for one reason or another and Jacket has hardly been able to field his first choice eleven and we are already a quarter way through the season 🙈
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Post by redintheface on Oct 12, 2021 18:49:24 GMT
Looks a bit like a warning shot across the bow from Teague there. Good timing and the right level of response I reckon. You could be right but sixth in the table and only a dozen games in , it seems a bit early to me to start second guessing the manager. More likely a rallying call to “ the faithful” as Dulcet Dave would say imho.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 12, 2021 19:13:00 GMT
Looks a bit like a warning shot across the bow from Teague there. Good timing and the right level of response I reckon. You could be right but sixth in the table and only a dozen games in , it seems a bit early to me to start second guessing the manager. More likely a rallying call to “ the faithful” as Dulcet Dave would say imho. If you want the team to push on, the time to do it is early on, not when games are running out. Last season we left it late, even had a change of manager because of an outside chance of the playoffs.
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Post by orientsc on Oct 13, 2021 0:47:53 GMT
There are of course two sides to any appraisal. I call it the hard and soft areas. The hard areas are the stats - these are the facts. Then there are the softer issues, the human aspect. Both are needed to make a judgement. Heart and head stuff. When I was working we called this stuff the KPIs or key performance indicators and to a degree they ruled our lives. Hard facts and you stand and fall by them. You hit them or you don’t. The data reported are the simple facts and are frankly beyond dispute. A cold, hard look at where we are compared to last season. Pure facts, we haven’t moved forward very much. KJ is two points better that Ross at this stage. That is a fact. But as we don’t know his targets we have no way of knowing if he is ahead or behind this season’s objectives. He may well be doing better than his KPIs. Only the Board know that. His targets may be back-end loaded, slower in the building with the expectation of a very strong run in. So any comparison with last season is little more than casual interest. Or disinterest. But is valid none the less. But of course the softer stuff comes into play and the picture changes quite dramatically. We are playing better, we have an experienced manager and assistant and with players to come back into the squad there is every reason to believe that come the end of the season, the stats will reflect that belief, that we will exceed last seasons performance by some way.. That is my opinion. But for those who think statistics, data, is perhaps not important, read up on what our very own Russell Slade is getting involved with. The volume of data available on players, even lower league, shared between organisations and (which is where Russell is coming from) the players having no say about how that data is used not getting any compensation for it. Data, analytics stuff is growing in importance and playing a major part in football. Rightly so in my opinion. I’m reading up on the GDPR out of curiosity and with an eye to Mr. Slade’s view that it has been violated by data firms regarding players. He seems to have two arguments. First, players should be able to know what data is collected and distributed and to whom it’s distributed. They would have some recourse if the information was incorrect. Second, that data firms, and likely clubs, would have to compensate the players for this data. This would mean yet more expense for smaller clubs. It does show how important data has become, but if the regulation is read this expansively, then it could be another dangerous hurdle to lower division club solvency and profitability. More litigation costs, more overhead, and really a lot more headaches for managers who are simply trying to evaluate talent.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 13, 2021 5:42:08 GMT
You could be right but sixth in the table and only a dozen games in , it seems a bit early to me to start second guessing the manager. More likely a rallying call to “ the faithful” as Dulcet Dave would say imho. If you want the team to push on, the time to do it is early on, not when games are running out. Last season we left it late, even had a change of manager because of an outside chance of the playoffs. Mate we have 30 odd matches left. Are you seriously suggesting “ games are running out”?😁
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Post by dohnut on Oct 13, 2021 8:16:08 GMT
If you want the team to push on, the time to do it is early on, not when games are running out. Last season we left it late, even had a change of manager because of an outside chance of the playoffs. Mate we have 30 odd matches left. Are you seriously suggesting “ games are running out”?😁 No, of course not. But points lost/won at the start of season have exactly the same impact as at the end when looking at the league table. Points value don’t change. The only difference is you have less time to play catch up at the end. Early games are just as important. Reduces the need to play catch up. Exactly what affected us last season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 9:31:32 GMT
Mate we have 30 odd matches left. Are you seriously suggesting “ games are running out”?😁 No, of course not. But points lost/won at the start of season have exactly the same impact as at the end when looking at the league table. Points value don’t change. The only difference is you have less time to play catch up at the end. Early games are just as important. Reduces the need to play catch up. Exactly what affected us last season. I would agree with that,it’s important that you get out of the blocks quickly and get momentum,it brings confidence,it’s seems like they take one step forward and then one back,like I’ve said before they need to turn draws into wins🙈
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Post by dohnut on Oct 13, 2021 11:06:01 GMT
No, of course not. But points lost/won at the start of season have exactly the same impact as at the end when looking at the league table. Points value don’t change. The only difference is you have less time to play catch up at the end. Early games are just as important. Reduces the need to play catch up. Exactly what affected us last season. I would agree with that,it’s important that you get out of the blocks quickly and get momentum,it brings confidence,it’s seems like they take one step forward and then one back,like I’ve said before they need to turn draws into wins🙈 Our ups and downs are a real frustration and I’ve no doubt the players and KJ feel the same way. Mansfield apart, the other games were away. Not too much damage, maybe, just heaps even more pressure on them Saturday. But there is no doubt in my mind we dropped points against Mansfield and Barrow with draws in games we should have won, worth a draw at vale. 5 points down the tubes. Points that could be costly come the end of the season. Looking forward to a big response on Saturday.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 13, 2021 12:02:31 GMT
Mate we have 30 odd matches left. Are you seriously suggesting “ games are running out”?😁 No, of course not. But points lost/won at the start of season have exactly the same impact as at the end when looking at the league table. Points value don’t change. The only difference is you have less time to play catch up at the end. Early games are just as important. Reduces the need to play catch up. Exactly what affected us last season. As you say, there are three points up for grabs in each and every game we play - no matter when we play it! Like yourself, I’d love it if the O’s had an extra half dozen points on the board at this stage and were sitting on top of the table rather than sixth as we’re currently doing. You’re big on stats so you’ll know that history tells us that teams leading the table in October frequently fall away as the season progresses. You only have to look back to 2013/14 when we were riding high at the new year but still failed to go up! Speaking for myself I’m pretty pleased with the way things are going- especially bearing in mind the big turnover of staff and players - and that KJ still hasn’t had all of the players at his disposal yet. Sure, improvements may be necessary to get promotion but overall I feel much more confident they’ll be achieved under the stewardship of Jackett & Co than I ever did under Embleton / McAnuff etc.
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Post by redshank on Oct 13, 2021 12:04:38 GMT
How can you make a player play at the top of his form.Even harder to make the whole team to play at the top of their form.Six at the top of their form should give good results. But their is an opposition,perhaps with six at the top of their form.
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Post by ostralia on Oct 14, 2021 7:14:36 GMT
I would agree with that,it’s important that you get out of the blocks quickly and get momentum,it brings confidence,it’s seems like they take one step forward and then one back,like I’ve said before they need to turn draws into wins🙈 Our ups and downs are a real frustration and I’ve no doubt the players and KJ feel the same way. Mansfield apart, the other games were away. Not too much damage, maybe, just heaps even more pressure on them Saturday. But there is no doubt in my mind we dropped points against Mansfield and Barrow with draws in games we should have won, worth a draw at vale. 5 points down the tubes. Points that could be costly come the end of the season. Looking forward to a big response on Saturday. That’s the frustrating thing. We’ve got 2 points from the last 9 available, when all 9 were there for the taking at various points in those 3 games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 13:41:00 GMT
11 played. 4 wins. Speaks for itself.
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Post by Thor on Oct 14, 2021 17:17:17 GMT
Man Utd under Sir Alex were famous for making the run after Xmas as its the business end of the season. Fergie said nobody wins the league in Dec but you do in May and frequently they managed to do it.
I'm feeling we've been solid without being spectacular, but are building up the team to be pretty formidable as the season progresses. Yes I'd like to see more wins like everyone else but at least we are not getting beat or runs of losses.
We will get stronger as the season progresses is my feeling from what I've seen so far.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 14, 2021 18:06:06 GMT
Man Utd under Sir Alex were famous for making the run after Xmas as its the business end of the season. Fergie said nobody wins the league in Dec but you do in May and frequently they managed to do it. I'm feeling we've been solid without being spectacular, but are building up the team to be pretty formidable as the season progresses. Yes I'd like to see more wins like everyone else but at least we are not getting beat or runs of losses. We will get stronger as the season progresses is my feeling from what I've seen so far. Of course, the team will improve as the season wears on. Solid if not spectacular is about right, but enough glimpses that they could be spectacular in the future. But of course other teams may well improve too. Others, like Harrogate and Sutton in my opinion will run out of steam. Nobody wins the league by December, but points lost, tossed away in September and October make the January onwards push just that little bit harder. And do little for confidence. We need to push on now and be well placed in January.
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Post by theydonorient on Oct 15, 2021 23:04:29 GMT
We have let to many games slip away from us, too many draws. KJ at the start said he wanted fast attacking football but haven't seen much if that except the first half at Bristol. When we play with pace we are always better.. When we let the opposition play at pace but we don't then we either lose or draw as we just create pressure on us.
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