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Post by redintheface on Oct 19, 2021 20:41:35 GMT
Considering FGR are the runaway leaders I am content with that performance even though it only brought in one point. We’ll win more than we lose if we continue to play like that imho.
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Post by ostralia on Oct 19, 2021 20:43:31 GMT
Decent game that. Not a bad performance from the orient. Matched the league leaders in a game of few chances and came back well after going behind. In the context of our recent run though, it’s another draw. If we’d won at the weekend it would be a very good point. Didn’t though, so I’m not sure what whether it’s a good point or not.
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Post by philonfilm on Oct 19, 2021 20:45:13 GMT
We looked so much better when we switched to four at the back and went for it, I'd like to see us starting that way a bit more. There was much more pace and width in the second half. Brilliant goal, which we deserved, and we could have won it. Just need to start testing the opposition keepers more!
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Post by Fisch on Oct 19, 2021 20:47:36 GMT
We're down to 10th, two home draws on the trot (4 draws from last 5) and it took a worldy shot from Ruel to get a point tonight. Currently, we are a mid-table side it seems.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 19, 2021 20:48:36 GMT
Ogie. MOTM. Agree fully. Been superb tonight and seems to get better every game. He has but James for me, only just. I agree, close James defensive touch saved a cert. Again, did that against Walsall. If James was given sponsors MOTM I wouldn’t argue.
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Post by Prestige Worldwide on Oct 19, 2021 21:10:58 GMT
That’s definitely a point gained. Thought FGR would see that out after going a goal up. Excellent from Ruel to hit them on the counter (a passage which started with two FGR players going for the same header).
Forest Green weren’t spectacular but I can see how they are top. Very physical side, although hardly a joy to watch.
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Post by paddy on Oct 19, 2021 21:27:20 GMT
We can’t drop what seems to have turned in to a habit to concede before we lose our belts and braces and go for it. With that said I’d taken the draw before kickoff and I see this as not 1 point gained but 2 points taken from the runaway leaders. The stadium was bouncing at times and still a long way to go. Up The O’s always and 3 points on Saturday to make it a great week please!
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Post by orientsc on Oct 19, 2021 21:58:55 GMT
I’m happy with some good play today and a point, but I really don’t know what to think. There are errant passes and moments of both concentration and ill discipline that boggle my mind. We’re no longer in the early part of the season and these are professional players. The team as a whole seems good enough physically to beat any team in the league we’ve seen so far, but at some point the players have to take responsibility mentally and physically and execute.
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Post by MungO on Oct 19, 2021 22:13:21 GMT
50/50 possession. Us. 6 shots none on target Them. 3 shots 2 on target. We need to be quicker getting the ball into the box. We get opportunities to but then switch backwards. When we do put the ball in, the crossing is mediocre. Smith will score if he gets a chance, get some crosses in. It's the sign of a team lacking in confidence and form.
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Post by MungO on Oct 19, 2021 22:17:43 GMT
Decent game that. Not a bad performance from the orient. Matched the league leaders in a game of few chances and came back well after going behind. In the context of our recent run though, it’s another draw. If we’d won at the weekend it would be a very good point. Didn’t though, so I’m not sure what whether it’s a good point or not. This exactly. Though I didn't really enjoy the game, thought it was a bit tedious and lacking adventure from both teams. But overall I'm not sure if I'm relieved that we've gained a point from being a goal down, or disappointed that we've not won again.
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Post by MungO on Oct 19, 2021 22:20:19 GMT
Forest Green weren’t spectacular but I can see how they are top. Very physical side, although hardly a joy to watch. Interesting. I didn't think much of them at all and thought Walsall were a much more physical and skilful team who should have beaten us.
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Post by buffalobill on Oct 19, 2021 22:26:21 GMT
Just got back and these are my thoughts for what they are worth.
Seemed to be playing a 3-4-1-2, with Kemp behind Smith and Smyth.
FGR are a physical side, but pretty much all of their players when they receive the ball, are willing to take it forward, even if we are talking only 5 yards or so. That is the opposite to our central midfielders who tend to look to pass the ball, generally sideways or back. By taking the ball on and moving with it, it gives your team mates time to make a run, or find space, whereas we tend to be static.
Woods is not a wing back IMO, isn't prepared to take people on, so Archibald made such a difference as suddenly FGR couldn't be sure down which side of the pitch we would attack, whereas previously they could simply cover off James and you nullify us.
Smyth and Smith are a new combo, so worth the try, but Ruel did himself no harm by combining well with Kemp and finishing off a slick move.
We had more intensity and I'd like to see us start the game on Saturday with the same formation, but with Ruel and Archibald in the starting line up.
FGR are a good side, there won't be too many teams wiping the floor with them, so a draw was a decent result.
Up the O's.
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Post by MungO on Oct 19, 2021 22:31:28 GMT
I stand by what I've said all week and last week too.
We're a very good team that is lacking in confidence.
The first few games we went out hunting and attacking in packs and it was great to see. Then we went 343 and James and Wood were getting in crosses from the edge of the opponents box. At times making the formation a 325 at times. Confidence was flowing and forward passes and movement looked good. We were breaking well.
But in the last 5 or 6 games we've lost the rhythm, momentum and confidence. Suddenly we're not breaking from midfield, James and Wood aren't really getting much beyond the halfway line and instead of the crosses coming from wide areas they're coming from long balls pinged in from Ogie at the back. The formation at times is now a 523 with our strikers playing miles away from each other.
Quite why, I don't know. It happens. Is it youth? Is it fatigue? Is it that we gave away silly penalties at one point that caused us concern? Have we changed the team around too much? Too little? No consistency? Who knows.
It's football. At one point there will be a spark to bring it back to life. In the meantime we're not losing while playing without confidence or form.
Up the O's!
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Post by MungO on Oct 19, 2021 22:34:44 GMT
And I'm not putting it there as an excuse but it definitely wasn't a corner that they scored from. Happened literally 5 yards in front of me.
But if they don't score from that, the game turns out different and we don't score our goal.
But it wasn't a corner.
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Post by MungO on Oct 19, 2021 22:39:17 GMT
FGR are a physical side, but pretty much all of their players when they receive the ball, are willing to take it forward, even if we are talking only 5 yards or so. Confidence. They're top been on a good run and full of themselves. Just thinking of some of the goals earlier in the season like Smith and Newport, when Pratley drove into the box with the ball and stood a cross up for Smith. Or James cross for Drinan against Bristol Rovers, again breaking into the box. We're just down on our luck at the moment and looking for a spark. I like the look of Smyth who's first touch and cunning is miles ahead of any player we have. But where does he fit in 🤔
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Post by MungO on Oct 19, 2021 23:23:13 GMT
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Post by dohnut on Oct 20, 2021 14:50:49 GMT
I stand by what I've said all week and last week too. We're a very good team that is lacking in confidence. The first few games we went out hunting and attacking in packs and it was great to see. Then we went 343 and James and Wood were getting in crosses from the edge of the opponents box. At times making the formation a 325 at times. Confidence was flowing and forward passes and movement looked good. We were breaking well. But in the last 5 or 6 games we've lost the rhythm, momentum and confidence. Suddenly we're not breaking from midfield, James and Wood aren't really getting much beyond the halfway line and instead of the crosses coming from wide areas they're coming from long balls pinged in from Ogie at the back. The formation at times is now a 523 with our strikers playing miles away from each other. Quite why, I don't know. It happens. Is it youth? Is it fatigue? Is it that we gave away silly penalties at one point that caused us concern? Have we changed the team around too much? Too little? No consistency? Who knows. It's football. At one point there will be a spark to bring it back to life. In the meantime we're not losing while playing without confidence or form. Up the O's! Lack of confidence. Don’t stack up. This run follows 4 wins in 5 games, scoring well too. Confidence would be sky high.
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Post by MungO on Oct 20, 2021 14:56:41 GMT
You would have thought. I suppose that happens to teams doesn't it. Especially lower down the leagues where concentration and consistency is always a challenge.
But also using that logic if you win a game you'd keep getting better and better and more confident and never lose ever again 😂😃
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Post by dohnut on Oct 20, 2021 15:36:19 GMT
You would have thought. I suppose that happens to teams doesn't it. Especially lower down the leagues where concentration and consistency is always a challenge. But also using that logic if you win a game you'd keep getting better and better and more confident and never lose ever again 😂😃 Sorry Mungo but the lack of confidence angle just does work. For sure a set back against Port Vale but let’s not forget how well we came back second half. Not to mention a 4-0 win against Crawley in the Mickey Mouse cup. And of course not forgetting only 2 defeats all season. And that 4 wins in 5 finishing with good wins against Oldham and Bristol Rovers. The issue was not confidence at the start of the run for sure. Not following on from 2 good wins. What is the issue? Smith up front has been worked out by teams. His contribution and threat is reduced. Almost non-existent. But we keep plugging away with high balls to him that come to nothing. Drinan has just stopped performing, Hector too. Pratley is offering next to nothing of late. Archibald gone off the boil. It’s times like that when KJ and Gallen earn their money. They are not. None of our back three are creative. Our outlets are James and Woods. Take James out of the game and our creativity is almost zero. Why Kemp and Smyth came in. Our solution, pass back to LV so he can punt upfield. That’s it, LV, our creative genius. Simply put. Opposition managers know how to set up and play against us. We our being out-thought before a ball is kicked.
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Post by MungO on Oct 20, 2021 16:41:05 GMT
Good points well made.
But we're not being out-thought. We'd be getting beat if we were.
I think you're looking for a reason that doesn't exist. It's just football and sometimes there is no logic.
Why did Leicester win the Premier League, why do cup upsets come along, how did we beat Exeter and lose to Harrogate, why did we look terrible against Port Vale in one half then took them to the cleaners in the second half and then decide to give up in Extra time.
I'm sure if anyone knew the answer they would bottle it up and sell it as a proven winning formula. Even the likes of Pep, Klopp, *insert another European flavour of the month manager here*, haven't got it figured.
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