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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 14:29:08 GMT
Don’t mind them moaning when it’s justified but I think this seems to be a manufactured attempt to create discord. Agree. I think it's a part time post anyway. I can't see what the fuss is about. Part time or not makes no difference Timmo. A club with limited funds needs to ensure every penny is invested wisely. NT digs deep to keep us going. Waste is not an option even in part time roles. Given our recent record I’d say this topic has emerged as reasonable. |
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Post by watfordo on Nov 27, 2023 16:59:38 GMT
Agree. I think it's a part time post anyway. I can't see what the fuss is about. Part time or not makes no difference Timmo. A club with limited funds needs to ensure every penny is invested wisely. NY digs deep to keep us going. Waste is not an option even in part time roles. Given our recent record I’d say this topic has emerged as reasonable. But people who actually know about football, the professionals, like the manager and the DF, have decided that this is money well spent. I’ll trust their judgement. |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 17:05:02 GMT
Part time or not makes no difference Timmo. A club with limited funds needs to ensure every penny is invested wisely. NY digs deep to keep us going. Waste is not an option even in part time roles. Given our recent record I’d say this topic has emerged as reasonable. But people who actually know about football, the professionals, like the manager and the DF, have decided that this is money well spent. I’ll trust their judgement. People who know a lot about football also waste a lot of money on mistakes. They happen every season. I dare say even Orient have made mistakes, like an DF appointing a manager who lasted 28 days, appointed by a professional who knows lots about football. 👍. Wonder how much that cost. Ive not questioned whether this is money well spent or not. Just pointing out being a part time appointment is not relevant. What I have said is that recent results makes this appointment a valid topic for discussion. Not pre-empting the outcome nor offering an opinion. |
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Post by watfordo on Nov 27, 2023 17:19:44 GMT
But people who actually know about football, the professionals, like the manager and the DF, have decided that this is money well spent. I’ll trust their judgement. People who know a lot about football also waste a lot of money on mistakes. They happen every season. I dare say even Orient have made mistakes, like an DF appointing a manager who lasted 28 days, appointed by a professional who knows lots about football. 👍. Wonder how much that cost. Ive not questioned whether this is money well spent or not. Just pointing out being a part time appointment is not relevant. What I have said is that recent results makes this appointment a valid topic for discussion. Not pre-empting the outcome nor offering an opinion. Id imagine people who know a lot less about football would waste a whole lot more. Im happy to leave it to the pros. |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 17:36:12 GMT
People who know a lot about football also waste a lot of money on mistakes. They happen every season. I dare say even Orient have made mistakes, like an DF appointing a manager who lasted 28 days, appointed by a professional who knows lots about football. 👍. Wonder how much that cost. Ive not questioned whether this is money well spent or not. Just pointing out being a part time appointment is not relevant. What I have said is that recent results makes this appointment a valid topic for discussion. Not pre-empting the outcome nor offering an opinion. Id imagine people who know a lot less about football would waste a whole lot more. Im happy to leave it to the pros. Im sure it happens everywhere. In all walks of life. Just pointing out your comment about professionals judgement cuts both ways. Being a professional, expert, is no guarantee. And a judgement that on occasions is up for debate as it was during the time of the 28 day manager where a lot of the opinions of lesser mortals turned out to be right and the expert wrong. |
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Post by redintheface on Nov 27, 2023 17:39:28 GMT
I think we can all accept that the professionals should be better able to judge what is needed but they’re certainly not infallible.
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Post by watfordo on Nov 27, 2023 17:46:11 GMT
Id imagine people who know a lot less about football would waste a whole lot more. Im happy to leave it to the pros. Im sure it happens everywhere. In all walks of life. Just pointing out your comment about professionals judgement cuts both ways. Being a professional, expert, is no guarantee. And a judgement that on occasions is up for debate as it was during the time of the 28 day manager where a lot of the opinions of lesser mortals turned out to be right and the expert wrong. And then they admitted their mistake and got it right….. |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 17:47:33 GMT
I think we can all accept that the professionals should be better able to judge what is needed but they’re certainly not infallible. Totally agree. They get it right more times than they get it wrong. But occasions do arise when some things are worth a debate. I can fully understand why this topic has arisen. Results being the catalyst. |
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Post by watfordo on Nov 27, 2023 17:50:11 GMT
I think we can all accept that the professionals should be better able to judge what is needed but they’re certainly not infallible. Of course you are right. Issue I have is listening to people with a perma negativity. Its probably my profession because I have to take a ‘can do, will do’ positive attitude into every project and presentation. I cant deal with negativity. Its an infectious cancer. Positivity raises people to achieve thibgs far higher than negativity will ever do. |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 17:53:58 GMT
I think we can all accept that the professionals should be better able to judge what is needed but they’re certainly not infallible. Of course you are right. Issue I have is listening to people with a perma negativity. It’s probably my profession because I have to take a ‘can do, will do’ positive attitude into every project and presentation. I cant deal with negativity. It’s an infectious cancer. Positivity raises people to achieve thibgs far higher than negativity will ever do. I have no idea if that dig is aimed at me. I hope not. I’ll assume for the sake of another long running debate with you that it is not. However, if I am wrong please feel free to continue. |
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Post by billk53 on Nov 27, 2023 18:02:36 GMT
Sometimes negativity seems the only realistic option (speaking as a dyed-in-the-wool pessimist)
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Post by watfordo on Nov 27, 2023 18:08:48 GMT
Of course you are right. Issue I have is listening to people with a perma negativity. It’s probably my profession because I have to take a ‘can do, will do’ positive attitude into every project and presentation. I cant deal with negativity. It’s an infectious cancer. Positivity raises people to achieve thibgs far higher than negativity will ever do. I have no idea if that dig is aimed at me. I hope not. I’ll assume for the sake of another long running debate with you that it is not. However, if I am wrong please feel free to continue. Not a dig at all and not aimed specifically at anyone. |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 18:36:59 GMT
Sometimes negativity seems the only realistic option (speaking as a dyed-in-the-wool pessimist) Some people are natural pessimists, others optimists, some realistic. Or a mix which is what I suspect most of us are at different times and on different matters. Me. I major on being a pragmatist big time, so I tend towards what is realistic and makes sense. But it’s a trait that can irritate. |
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Post by BasOfromthatLondon on Nov 27, 2023 18:45:38 GMT
So we've got a manager, an assistant manager, a general coach on the training ground, a keeper coach and a set piece specialist. That seems like a professional setup to me.
This rules out too much multitasking. If a part time wage can stop a few needless goals from set pieces then it's money well spent.
All we need now is a 'get the ball in the back of the net' specialist.
Is "a general coach on the training ground" the correct description of Matt Harrold?
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Post by watfordo on Nov 27, 2023 18:49:47 GMT
Sometimes negativity seems the only realistic option (speaking as a dyed-in-the-wool pessimist) Some people are natural pessimists, others optimists, some realistic. Or a mix which is what I suspect most of us are at different times and on different matters. Me. I major on being a pragmatist big time, so I tend towards what is realistic and makes sense. But it’s a trait that can irritate. Possibly because you think your views ‘make sense’ and are ‘realistic’, implying other views dont. Not that that ever comes across, like ever….. |
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Post by Thor on Nov 27, 2023 18:54:11 GMT
Our defence of set pieces was extremely good on Saturday. The McMahon effect? yeah we conceded from a set play on Saturday or did you miss that bit? |
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Post by Thor on Nov 27, 2023 19:16:58 GMT
Reading between the lines at the time of his appointment it was nothing to do with RW. If RW had wanted him and appointed him then I'd say fair enough, but he didn't. This role / person has been forced on to his coaching team. Now let's look at the reality of the output.
Have we improved with our set plays from an offensive role? No we have not, in fact I'd go so far as to say its got worse. Our deadball delivery is dreadful, on Sat we didn't beat the first man once. If I can get 14 year olds to deliver balls into the right area, with planned runs and they execute them with a goal at the end of it, I fail to see why a professional with professional coaching can't teach it or deliver it.
Have we improved in our defensive set plays? I'd say yes we have, I know we conceded on Sat but I think that was the first one we've conceded since DM has arrived. We certainly are no longer flapping around when a ball is whipped into the box be it a corner or free kick. We seem more solid and our awareness has improved.
I'd like to think that this is part of getting ready for the championship, having the right people in the right jobs in preparation of moving to the next level. If he is the right person only RW will know if he wants him part of his team long term.
I'd say the jury is out right now.
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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 19:50:14 GMT
Some people are natural pessimists, others optimists, some realistic. Or a mix which is what I suspect most of us are at different times and on different matters. Me. I major on being a pragmatist big time, so I tend towards what is realistic and makes sense. But it’s a trait that can irritate. Possibly because you think your views ‘make sense’ and are ‘realistic’, implying other views dont. Not that that ever comes across, like ever….. On the contrary. I am always interested in the views of others and never assume I am right. I openly encourage debate. That is pragmatism. If someone raises a great point, why argue. I have been known to openly change my view based on a strong argument. I’m afraid it is you who cannot do the same and simply get personal when faced with a point. Not an attractive trait. |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 27, 2023 20:11:14 GMT
Reading between the lines at the time of his appointment it was nothing to do with RW. If RW had wanted him and appointed him then I'd say fair enough, but he didn't. This role / person has been forced on to his coaching team. Now let's look at the reality of the output. Have we improved with our set plays from an offensive role? No we have not, in fact I'd go so far as to say its got worse. Our deadball delivery is dreadful, on Sat we didn't beat the first man once. If I can get 14 year olds to deliver balls into the right area, with planned runs and they execute them with a goal at the end of it, I fail to see why a professional with professional coaching can't teach it or deliver it. Have we improved in our defensive set plays? I'd say yes we have, I know we conceded on Sat but I think that was the first one we've conceded since DM has arrived. We certainly are no longer flapping around when a ball is whipped into the box be it a corner or free kick. We seem more solid and our awareness has improved. I'd like to think that this is part of getting ready for the championship, having the right people in the right jobs in preparation of moving to the next level. If he is the right person only RW will know if he wants him part of his team long term. I'd say the jury is out right now. I’d say a fair assessment Thor. Though defensively I see us getting closer to what we achieved last season as we adapt to a higher level, pretty much the same troops at the back. Set piece coach or natural adjustment to an higher division, don’t know, maybe DM deserves credit. Offensively we are poor at set plays and that is being kind. What I did expect was that with set play role taken over by a specialist, our overall game would improve with PT and RW having more time to focus on that area. I have not seen any improvement over the last couple of months. But why do you feel this was not a RW appointment? |
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Post by mayland0s on Nov 27, 2023 20:31:32 GMT
I think we can all accept that the professionals should be better able to judge what is needed but they’re certainly not infallible. Of course you are right. Issue I have is listening to people with a perma negativity. Its probably my profession because I have to take a ‘can do, will do’ positive attitude into every project and presentation. I cant deal with negativity. Its an infectious cancer. Positivity raises people to achieve thibgs far higher than negativity will ever do. 👏😁😁 |
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