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Oct 23, 2023 6:57:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 6:57:03 GMT
I could score against San Marino Me to. I couldn't. Well, maybe if one bounced in off my backside.
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Oct 23, 2023 7:40:54 GMT
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Post by mujtahido on Oct 23, 2023 7:40:54 GMT
I could score against San Marino Makes you better than me You said it
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Post by MungO on Oct 23, 2023 7:41:56 GMT
Smyth is a big loss as he was a great player in League Two and I think would've been a better one in League One with us. Playing in a style that suited him and a manager who knew how to work him.
He moved on citing that he wanted International recognition. And he has achieved that by starting, scoring, being a sub for NI in their last few games.
I for one am happy for Smyth. Good luck to the lad. I think QPR is the wrong club for anyone at the moment but that's irrelevant. He's gone and made his choice.
Graham and Archibald can glide past their men quite easily. Not sure what games others have been watching lately but I thought that was quite clear to see.
When played on their proper wings they beat their men and put crosses in, when played on their inverted wings they naturally won't go round the outside, but come inside and play through the middle. I'm not a tactical genius but this is quite obvious.
Against Barnsley it seemed to me that the instruction was to receive the ball out wide, get it out of your feet, and out the cross in at the earliest possible time. As a winger this can make you look a right dick if nobody is in the box, but that was the instruction and if no striker is in the box that's not a failing of the wide player.
There was one instance of Graham putting in an extra cross for seemingly no reason when he was practically on the edge of the 6 yard box with just the keeper to beat. That's a judgement error on his part. But both Graham and Archibald look the part toe and hopefully Agyei can come in too to bolster the wide positions.
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Post by ostralia on Oct 23, 2023 8:06:55 GMT
If the bar for being considered useless as a winger is that they’re not as good as Paul Smyth, then we’ve had a lot of useless wingers over the years.
Also, Smyth was never played as a wing back like Graham is, so any defensive weaknesses he might have had were never really tested in the same way.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 23, 2023 12:34:31 GMT
Smyth is a big loss as he was a great player in League Two and I think would've been a better one in League One with us. Playing in a style that suited him and a manager who knew how to work him. He moved on citing that he wanted International recognition. And he has achieved that by starting, scoring, being a sub for NI in their last few games. I for one am happy for Smyth. Good luck to the lad. I think QPR is the wrong club for anyone at the moment but that's irrelevant. He's gone and made his choice. Graham and Archibald can glide past their men quite easily. Not sure what games others have been watching lately but I thought that was quite clear to see. When played on their proper wings they beat their men and put crosses in, when played on their inverted wings they naturally won't go round the outside, but come inside and play through the middle. I'm not a tactical genius but this is quite obvious. Against Barnsley it seemed to me that the instruction was to receive the ball out wide, get it out of your feet, and out the cross in at the earliest possible time. As a winger this can make you look a right dick if nobody is in the box, but that was the instruction and if no striker is in the box that's not a failing of the wide player. There was one instance of Graham putting in an extra cross for seemingly no reason when he was practically on the edge of the 6 yard box with just the keeper to beat. That's a judgement error on his part. But both Graham and Archibald look the part toe and hopefully Agyei can come in too to bolster the wide positions. You are spot on about Paul Smyth mungo as well as your observations re “ inverted” wingers ( which in my view is a tactic which is rather overused). I do though disagree to some extent with your comment on players following “ instructions” . Players have to be given some leeway to make decisions based upon what’s in front of them - to say it’s “ not a failing of the wide player “ to cross a ball knowing full well that “ no striker is in the box” surely is to some degree a failing ? I’d certainly hope RW maintains the current plan of action which does appear to involve a greater emphasis on crossing the ball early but players have to be aware enough to adjust based upon the situation. Like yourself I think the example you quote about Graham’s cross from close in on Saturday was simply a bad decision on his part.👍
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Post by dohnut on Oct 23, 2023 13:10:35 GMT
I’m sure we all wish Smyth the best of luck. A key part in us winning the title and added a few absolutely stunning goals. But he has made his choice. Playing in the Championship and probably earning multiple times what we offered. His career and supporting his family come first. Especially at any moment an injury can end it all. He made the right choice.
We are fortunate to have a player like Archibald. Great talent, hard working and an eye for goal. Let’s hope we can keep him. Graham for sure is not similar to Smyth, as yet hasn’t shown that eye for goal. But in overall performances he offers other talents and I’ve not seen a crosser of the ball as good as him at Brisbane Road in many a year. His success % when trying to put a cross in must be really high. An area where he is undoubtedly better than Smyth. He is also physically stronger. But we just don’t seem to take advantage of that. But we will.
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Post by watfordo on Oct 23, 2023 14:18:09 GMT
Smyth was incredible at this level. Unplayable at times. Scored the unscorable. The best individually skilled player since Cox. Worth the gate money alone. As another said, saying a player is poor by comparison, especially when they do a different job altogether, is bonkers level boarding.
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Post by billericayo on Oct 23, 2023 19:07:57 GMT
Smyth was incredible at this level. Unplayable at times. Scored the unscorable. The best individually skilled player since Cox. Worth the gate money alone. As another said, saying a player is poor by comparison, especially when they do a different job altogether, is bonkers level boarding. "Worth the gate money alone" best description for Smyth on here, Electric, for such a small guy that turn of speed to leave defenders for dead in his wake, he brought the crowd and the team to their feet, and then there'se Graham ? No comparison.
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Oct 23, 2023 20:28:22 GMT
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Post by watfordo on Oct 23, 2023 20:28:22 GMT
Smyth was incredible at this level. Unplayable at times. Scored the unscorable. The best individually skilled player since Cox. Worth the gate money alone. As another said, saying a player is poor by comparison, especially when they do a different job altogether, is bonkers level boarding. "Worth the gate money alone" best description for Smyth on here, Electric, for such a small guy that turn of speed to leave defenders for dead in his wake, he brought the crowd and the team to their feet, and then there'se Graham ? No comparison. I wasnt comparing you were, you tiresome old troll.
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Post by Thor on Oct 23, 2023 22:13:15 GMT
Smyth is a big loss as he was a great player in League Two and I think would've been a better one in League One with us. Playing in a style that suited him and a manager who knew how to work him. He moved on citing that he wanted International recognition. And he has achieved that by starting, scoring, being a sub for NI in their last few games. I for one am happy for Smyth. Good luck to the lad. I think QPR is the wrong club for anyone at the moment but that's irrelevant. He's gone and made his choice. Graham and Archibald can glide past their men quite easily. Not sure what games others have been watching lately but I thought that was quite clear to see. When played on their proper wings they beat their men and put crosses in, when played on their inverted wings they naturally won't go round the outside, but come inside and play through the middle. I'm not a tactical genius but this is quite obvious. Against Barnsley it seemed to me that the instruction was to receive the ball out wide, get it out of your feet, and out the cross in at the earliest possible time. As a winger this can make you look a right dick if nobody is in the box, but that was the instruction and if no striker is in the box that's not a failing of the wide player. There was one instance of Graham putting in an extra cross for seemingly no reason when he was practically on the edge of the 6 yard box with just the keeper to beat. That's a judgement error on his part. But both Graham and Archibald look the part toe and hopefully Agyei can come in too to bolster the wide positions. Good choice of words.
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Post by Thor on Oct 23, 2023 22:16:21 GMT
Steve Evans wondered how on earth we managed to sign Graham. His take on him is that he is a championship player. My views are that he is an excellent player, an exceptional crosser of the ball, who reads the game very well. So yes if he was disappointed with his contribution to there goal, that tells you all you need to know about him as a player. Steve Evans may think he's a championship player however he's not performing at that level, Barnsley sussed him out just as I did in our first game at Charlton. He's nowhere near as good as Smyth and he is in the championship where as our guy ain't and never will be Graham has played more games in the championship than Smyth has, not knocking a smyth as he was absolute quality, but the facts are the facts, Graham has more games played than smyth has at that level.
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Post by Fisch on Oct 23, 2023 23:03:05 GMT
l think Evan's comments were more about how we found enough money to get Graham.He's always going on about how he achieves wonders on his tiny budget and insinuates we're rich in comparison. He can't help himself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 6:33:41 GMT
I back Richie any day of the week.
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Post by billericayo on Oct 24, 2023 8:09:17 GMT
"Worth the gate money alone" best description for Smyth on here, Electric, for such a small guy that turn of speed to leave defenders for dead in his wake, he brought the crowd and the team to their feet, and then there'se Graham ? No comparison. I wasnt comparing you were, you tiresome old troll. Really don't understand you, we were on the same wavelength about how good Smyth was for us, and somehow you manage to resort to name calling.
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Oct 24, 2023 8:15:45 GMT
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Post by watfordo on Oct 24, 2023 8:15:45 GMT
I wasnt comparing you were, you tiresome old troll. Really don't understand you, we were on the same wavelength about how good Smyth was for us, and somehow you manage to resort to name calling. Yeah. Apologies. I just still had your comments about Graham on the back of my head.
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Post by billericayo on Oct 24, 2023 8:41:05 GMT
Really don't understand you, we were on the same wavelength about how good Smyth was for us, and somehow you manage to resort to name calling. Yeah. Apologies. I just still had your comments about Graham on the back of my head. No need to Apologies. The troll bit was wasted on me anyway, as I'm not up to date with new slang. It was interesting how people see different players in different light
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Post by billericayo on Oct 24, 2023 8:47:33 GMT
l think Evan's comments were more about how we found enough money to get Graham.He's always going on about how he achieves wonders on his tiny budget and insinuates we're rich in comparison. He can't help himself. I thought Steve Evan's was trying to sow doubt in our minds by pointing out how good a player he was as apposed to what we saw from Graham. mind games?
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Oct 24, 2023 13:16:30 GMT
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Post by Fisch on Oct 24, 2023 13:16:30 GMT
l think Evan's comments were more about how we found enough money to get Graham.He's always going on about how he achieves wonders on his tiny budget and insinuates we're rich in comparison. He can't help himself. I thought Steve Evan's was trying to sow doubt in our minds by pointing out how good a player he was as apposed to what we saw from Graham. mind games? Nah, l see a top player in Graham so I can't see that.
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Oct 24, 2023 14:12:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 14:12:15 GMT
I also think Graham is a great player but not sure why people think he was a MoM contender on Saturday. Thought it was probably the worst he's played for us. His crosses was uncharacteristically poor regardless of whether or not other players should've been better placed to take advantage. The one he played from 9 yards out when he had a shot on felt like a parody of our tendency to play one pass too many.
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Post by redshank on Oct 24, 2023 16:16:25 GMT
All in all we have a very good League 1 side,Graham ups the ante in our side,always looks calm and sees the options available.
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