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Post by Thor on Dec 30, 2023 10:38:15 GMT
Last night we had 10 corners yet only beat the first man once. Isn’t it time James was removed from taking them as his were poor beyond being poor. Surely we have players who can clip a decent ball? Yet each game our big players make their way forward and nothing happens.
We absolutely need to dedicate time on the training ground to fix this issue as we are losing opportunities to create chances and score and be honest we don’t score nearly enough goals.
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Post by osoldguy on Dec 30, 2023 10:47:50 GMT
Last night we had 10 corners yet only beat the first man once. Isn’t it time James was removed from taking them as his were poor beyond being poor. Surely we have players who can clip a decent ball? Yet each game our big players make their way forward and nothing happens. We absolutely need to dedicate time on the training ground to fix this issue as we are losing opportunities to create chances and score and be honest we don’t score nearly enough goals. I fail to see that the players at the O's who have been Pro players for some time have not mastered the technique of placing a ball from a dead ball play into an area with height and precision. More time in the afternoons extra training is needed🙈 |
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Post by MungO on Dec 30, 2023 10:58:50 GMT
I'm gonna present some video evidence for this one.
Arsenal 0-2 West Ham. Two teams I don't have much time for but was watching the other evening.
Now I know Ward-Prowse is a dead ball specialist. And likely can deliver a corner like this 9 out of 10 times. That's why he's worth and paid millions.
But bringing it down some levels. We have Tom James, Moncur, Archibald, Graham who are all decent from dead balls. I wouldn't expect them to hit 9 out of 10 times but at least if they could hit the same area 4 out of 10 times we might actually get a head on something.
As for the set play itself, there isn't a plan, it's just smashed into the same area relentlessly, with accuracy and power. All the player had to do was.get a touch on it. I fail to see why we can't do the same thing.
Here's the goal. But the goal is irrelevant.
What I wanted to highlight is how Ward-Prowse takes it. It's like taking a shot. He puts venom in it. Actually means it and puts a bit of body behind it.
It isn't floated or plopped in. It's driven.
As I said I don't expect League One players to match Premier League players but even I could hamme one in with a 1 in 10 ratio.
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Post by watfordo on Dec 30, 2023 10:59:23 GMT
I think we should get a set piece coach. At least then no one will moan about budgets and Ling etc…..oh, hang on….
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Post by MungO on Dec 30, 2023 11:09:31 GMT
Joking aside, are we just overthinking things.
Put ball in between penalty spot and six yard box, repeatedly, and have everyone attack it running in from the edge of the box.
All the holding, the jostling, the moving, the intricate runs, etc.
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Post by mrb on Dec 30, 2023 11:27:27 GMT
Joking aside, are we just overthinking things. Put ball in between penalty spot and six yard box, repeatedly, and have everyone attack it running in from the edge of the box. All the holding, the jostling, the moving, the intricate runs, etc. Not over thinking,Just not thinking! There’s just no movement in our box at set plays..Even from open play there were some good crosses going in but no one to attack them..It was such a horrible game yesterday.. |
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Post by dohnut on Dec 30, 2023 11:32:53 GMT
Height in the box
Players outside waiting for poor clearances
Beat the first man from the corner kick
Creates chances.
Our corners were poor. We had plenty of practice vs Wycombe.
Still another point. In the past we could have easily lost these sorts of games and we didn’t.
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Post by oriboy on Dec 30, 2023 11:46:45 GMT
Last night we had 10 corners yet only beat the first man once. Isn’t it time James was removed from taking them as his were poor beyond being poor. Surely we have players who can clip a decent ball? Yet each game our big players make their way forward and nothing happens. We absolutely need to dedicate time on the training ground to fix this issue as we are losing opportunities to create chances and score and be honest we don’t score nearly enough goals. Said exactly the same last night. Surely if you know there is an issue with corners not beating the first man then you work on that in training. Last season we seemed to try different things (ala Jame's wonder goal) rather than just tossing it into the box and hoping. I know we had a mare the other week when we tried it but I would like to see it mixed up a bit. |
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Post by born2run on Dec 30, 2023 12:17:41 GMT
At least 3 different players took corners last night, and all were equally poor.
We must have had over 200 corners in the league already this season, and scored or created chances from less than 1% of them.
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Post by BasOfromthatLondon on Dec 30, 2023 13:25:39 GMT
A less than powerful corner is obviously easier to defend, so a short corner (a few yards) followed by a more powerful cross would get better results, I would've thought.
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Post by vinnyh on Dec 30, 2023 14:08:42 GMT
I've now become convinced that Richie doesn't believe we can score directly from a corner and that the game plan is to just let the first man head it away and for us to then pick up the loose ball and work the play from a different angle. The net result is that if that's the case, that isn't working either.
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Post by bedfordorient on Dec 30, 2023 14:17:34 GMT
At least 3 different players took corners last night, and all were equally poor. We must have had over 200 corners in the league already this season, and scored or created chances from less than 1% of them. Only 2-4% of corners result in a goal - we should just take them short each time |
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Post by MungO on Dec 30, 2023 14:23:59 GMT
I've now become convinced that Richie doesn't believe we can score directly from a corner and that the game plan is to just let the first man head it away and for us to then pick up the loose ball and work the play from a different angle. The net result is that if that's the case, that isn't working either. Or just take a short one |
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Post by Thor on Dec 30, 2023 15:12:01 GMT
At least 3 different players took corners last night, and all were equally poor. We must have had over 200 corners in the league already this season, and scored or created chances from less than 1% of them. Only 2-4% of corners result in a goal - we should just take them short each time and that allows you to create a different angle from which to deliver from, which then asks a different question of the defending team. |
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Post by Thor on Dec 30, 2023 15:18:47 GMT
Joking aside, are we just overthinking things. Put ball in between penalty spot and six yard box, repeatedly, and have everyone attack it running in from the edge of the box. All the holding, the jostling, the moving, the intricate runs, etc. As for the WP approach of pace, it helps his team as the power for the oncoming header has already been created, the player just needs to connect to have a good opportunity. If its floated in your player has to create the power so as to attack the goal. I know what I'd prefer to receive. Personally I think your suggestion is the way to go, alot of teams set up zonally at corners so they are marking space and not a player, they only pick that player up as they enter his zonal area. With good movement you can create good opportunities as the defensive team can get caught flatfooted as the ball is delivered. You will see time and again and the west ham one you show above is a perfect example of what I'm saying, the guy who scored was unmarked when he headed it as the zonal marking broke down and the defender tasked with picking him in his zone was half his size! He would never win a header against someone so tall in the first place. Create mayhem in movement, create opertunities to score from a good delivery of ball. |
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Post by osoldguy on Dec 30, 2023 17:26:45 GMT
Joking aside, are we just overthinking things. Put ball in between penalty spot and six yard box, repeatedly, and have everyone attack it running in from the edge of the box. All the holding, the jostling, the moving, the intricate runs, etc. As for the WP approach of pace, it helps his team as the power for the oncoming header has already been created, the player just needs to connect to have a good opportunity. If its floated in your player has to create the power so as to attack the goal. I know what I'd prefer to receive. Personally I think your suggestion is the way to go, alot of teams set up zonally at corners so they are marking space and not a player, they only pick that player up as they enter his zonal area. With good movement you can create good opportunities as the defensive team can get caught flatfooted as the ball is delivered. You will see time and again and the west ham one you show above is a perfect example of what I'm saying, the guy who scored was unmarked when he headed it as the zonal marking broke down and the defender tasked with picking him in his zone was half his size! He would never win a header against someone so tall in the first place. Create mayhem in movement, create opertunities to score from a good delivery of ball. I am a fossil but I used to listen to an ex pro who moved from Hillingdon Borough to Notts County back in the day. He used to recount the afternoons the then manager at Notts County Jimmy Sirrell spent many an afternoon with him undoing the way he headed a ball as he was a forward. He also worked on his dead ball skills. How to lift a ball how to place the boot in relation to the ball. The most telling advice was to strike and get a ball at height, this was as you go to strike the ball lift your head in the direction of the ball where you want it to go.Sounds basic but clearly this advice hasn't been taken on board, as good old Jimmy Sirrell has left us some time ago. |
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