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Post by redshank on Mar 7, 2024 15:25:26 GMT
What days do you prefer dohnut,now or then.I know then has the attraction of youth,but I find it difficult.Different times different styles,only the name Leyton Orient stays the same.John Keats in his poem the naughty boy who ran away to Scotland says something similar.He did the journey with a friend,walked all the way there but became ill with consumption and travelled back by coach.
Also wonder how the top athletes would run on a cinder track with the spikes of the day.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 7, 2024 15:29:57 GMT
I think you have said and Souness too the point I was trying to make. I am comparing players as they were then, which of course includes training, diet, etc compared to players now. Lifestyles for many too are a million miles apart, one pro whose name I forget, liked a cigarette at half time! Another liked a pint before the game, yet another stopped off at the betting shop on the way to the game. It was a different world. Not a criticism, just the way it was. Normal. Had those players benefitted from today’s facilities they of course would be great players and on a par at least with todays top players I have no doubt. Maybe better in some cases. But my comparison is them, then and modern players now. Fitness alone is massively better and I’ve little doubt tactical awareness, switching systems and full on 90 minutes would leave players as they were then, struggling. I remember the old W formation, pretty basic, then the revelation of 4-4-2 then the focus on work rate. Now players need to adapt, not at the start of a game but during the game. The introduction of substitutions allows for another layer of tactical complexity that just didn’t happen then. Past plays could adapt, of course they could. But the difference between them then and players now is vast. Same for all athletes. Bannister a revelation when he did a 4 minute mile, considered impossible. Now it’s pretty average for top athletes. ''Bannister a revelation when he did a 4 minute mile, considered impossible. Now it’s pretty average for top athletes'' With athletes, not only training and diet has made for better performances, far better kit now, running shoes, faster tracks etc, same goes for the swimmers, their latest swim gear designs knock vital seconds off the times it takes to swim measured distances in the pool. Footballers gear is also far better now, compare the old ''Stanley Mathew'' era boots and the old dubbin footballs to the modern ones, no comparison !
It’s for those reasons alone I make my comparison. We are not comparing like for like. Bannister today would be a top athlete should he choose. I’m not comparing ability, just better facilities, training, kit, diet and so on. I’m definitely not criticising players or teams of the past at all, in fact much was entertaining, more so than now in some cases. But times move on. |
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Post by redshank on Mar 7, 2024 15:35:24 GMT
They do move on,too quickly now.Maybe one more season in me and warm evening games.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 7, 2024 16:29:57 GMT
What days do you prefer dohnut,now or then.I know then has the attraction of youth,but I find it difficult.Different times different styles,only the name Leyton Orient stays the same.John Keats in his poem the naughty boy who ran away to Scotland says something similar.He did the journey with a friend,walked all the way there but became ill with consumption and travelled back by coach. Also wonder how the top athletes would run on a cinder track with the spikes of the day. Football wise I found the older days more entertaining and more exciting. But I guess I was younger then and the novelty factor was stronger. Now having been round the block (several times) not as much excites me as it once did. Orient has champions is different, now that is a novelty. But winning, losing, etc, seen it all so many times. But still hate losses, that much never changes. But seen enough of it and no doubt will do again. |
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