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Post by ostralia on May 11, 2024 8:55:55 GMT
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Post by Thor on May 11, 2024 9:48:35 GMT
That's a good article.
The first time I really saw the stress a manager is under was Sir Bobby Robson. He was the first one where you actually saw the changes in his face, hair etc. As England manager he went grey very quickly like almost overnight and it was then I thought wow he's feeling the stress through his appearance.
Now you see it on all the top managers.
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Post by redshank on May 11, 2024 12:01:24 GMT
It is perverse they love the job when you consider matchday is almost hell.Bad enough for us fans.Summer and the close season fit in well.That is why I get moody when the season starts again.Goodbye summer hello winter and worrying matchdays.
We have not had many worry free matchdays of late.But even when the result doesn't matter one still gets that awful feeling if we lose.But oh the joy of a win.
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Post by Thor on May 11, 2024 12:05:45 GMT
My resting heart rate is 48bpm and that article says Big Sam was in the 40's as well, but jumped to 4x that when the stress levels ramped up during the game.
If he had a normal heart rate somewhere between 60-80 would he be in heart attack zones under that stress level? I can't see a heart going up to 240bpm without problems.
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Post by redshank on May 11, 2024 12:18:28 GMT
Often wondered what surge through our bodies when a goal is scored giving us a lead equaliser ,or two or three goals ahead.The bodies hormones must go into overtime.The reverse has a soporific effect and is difficult to shout encouragement at the team.
When I get home after matchdays I often feel morose and tired,but not due to the physical part of getting home.
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Post by redshank on May 11, 2024 13:26:57 GMT
Romford win FA Vase 3-0.3,200 tickets sold.Both members of the Essex Senior League.Next league upwards is the Isthmian league North.
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Post by eca on May 11, 2024 13:27:15 GMT
Real stress in life is not managing a football club - if that particular person fails to manage the match / club employee duties then quite frankly their personality is not compatible with the job and they should face that fact and go and do a different job.
In the spectrum of life real stress is a bad marriage resulting in divorce and subsequent financial loss including not having adequate arrangements to see the children without harassment from the mother.
Real stress can be so many other things to different people ie poor working conditions for the most lowest paying job one could imagine.
Having medical conditions that need constant management and or terminal is very stressful to those concerned.
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Post by dohnut on May 11, 2024 13:30:46 GMT
I have absolutely no doubt the job of a football manger is stressful. But they are not alone and not unique in having stressful jobs and peoples future resting in their hands. So whilst I sympathise and understand it is definitely not something that is worse than many others.
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Post by dohnut on May 11, 2024 13:33:18 GMT
Real stress in life is not managing a football club - if that particular person fails to manage the match / club employee duties then quite frankly their personality is not compatible with the job and they should face that fact and go and do a different job. In the spectrum of life real stress is a bad marriage resulting in divorce and subsequent financial loss including not having adequate arrangements to see the children without harassment from the mother. Real stress can be so many other things to different people ie poor working conditions for the most lowest paying job one could imagine. Having medical conditions that need constant management and or terminal is very stressful to those concerned. Totally agree with what you say and could add many more examples. |
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Post by eca on May 11, 2024 13:38:07 GMT
Stress is a word people band about with total disregard to the actual quantification or application of the word.
Intelligence demonstrated by any individual in a typical life situation is a measure of that persons ability to manage “stress”.
Some people are put in employment positions when they are not compatible to the ability needed to execute those duties. In short it is self induced, due to their own limitations of intelligence and personality.
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Post by eca on May 11, 2024 13:45:49 GMT
Real stress in life is not managing a football club - if that particular person fails to manage the match / club employee duties then quite frankly their personality is not compatible with the job and they should face that fact and go and do a different job. In the spectrum of life real stress is a bad marriage resulting in divorce and subsequent financial loss including not having adequate arrangements to see the children without harassment from the mother. Real stress can be so many other things to different people ie poor working conditions for the most lowest paying job one could imagine. Having medical conditions that need constant management and or terminal is very stressful to those concerned. Totally agree with what you say and could add many more examples. Domestic violence by the woman to the man usually by verbal and physical attacks within the house boundaries is one silent subject that hardly ever gets discussed - but is far more widespread than people wish to admit- through embarrassment or shame that they as victims have permitted their life to be diminished to that fact. |
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Post by dohnut on May 11, 2024 15:15:44 GMT
Totally agree with what you say and could add many more examples. Domestic violence by the woman to the man usually by verbal and physical attacks within the house boundaries is one silent subject that hardly ever gets discussed - but is far more widespread than people wish to admit- through embarrassment or shame that they as victims have permitted their life to be diminished to that fact. Fair play for raising this topic. As a result I’ve looked it up and you are absolutely right. 1 in 3 cases of domestic violence are against men, 1 in 4 in other stats. I would guess in truth that statistic is really worse as men are less likely to report it. I’m sure I’m not alone in being ignorant in this area. |
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Post by redshank on May 11, 2024 15:33:14 GMT
Lots of things for lots of people.At the moment I am suffering from the stress of the bureaucracy of dealing with what is needed when a relative dies.Getting the funeral everyone wants,dealing with the council and all of the other things we use in life.The only people who know what they are doing is the funeral directors.
I asked a council do they do house clearance(a small council bungalow)with as much as possible cleared I was told they use one contractor and the cost will be in the thousands.That was after many mistakes in the council headquarters.
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Post by eca on May 11, 2024 21:08:50 GMT
Lots of things for lots of people.At the moment I am suffering from the stress of the bureaucracy of dealing with what is needed when a relative dies.Getting the funeral everyone wants,dealing with the council and all of the other things we use in life.The only people who know what they are doing is the funeral directors. I asked a council do they do house clearance(a small council bungalow)with as much as possible cleared I was told they use one contractor and the cost will be in the thousands.That was after many mistakes in the council headquarters. Sorry to read this Try and call a local 2nd hand furniture goods contractor that complete house clearance - some of the goods / furniture in value to them to sell will pay for that service Do not use a council even if they did it - it would be far more expensive The quicker you can get the place cleared of all the furniture and turn off the services will enable you to get the council to reduce the general rates and the utilities also will not charge for their service infrastructure charge shown separately on their bills |
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Post by ostralia on May 12, 2024 3:36:19 GMT
Some comments on on this thread show that however far we've come as a society around understanding and empathy for mental health issues, there's still some way to go.
Mental health is not a competition. Just becuase someone else may objectively have more reason to feel a certain way than you, does not stop you feeling that way. It's an internal struggle, rational assessment of circumstances rarely comes into it.
Outsized or exagerated emotional responses to external stimuli is one of the main indicators of mental health problems.
If someone is depressed because they their circumstances are depressing, that's less of a mental health issue than it is a rational reaction to their circumstances. If they are still depressed when things are much better, that is a mental health issue because the emotional reaction is out of sync or overstated compared to their situation. Clinical depression.
Similarly with stress. Paramedics for example do an objectivly very stressful job, so if they are stressed, that's a rational reaction to their circumstances. If football managers have similar levels of stress, that is an outsized reaction their circumstances (based on a objective assessment of the relative importance of the decisions they are making), and it is this that makes it a mental health problem.
Dismissing these problems by saying "well, they shouldn't feel that way, because other people have more reason to feel that way then them", is (at best) unhelpful.
Of course they shouldn't feel that stressed. Everyone recognises that, as I'm sure even the people involved would do when they are able to think rationally about it. But they do feel that way. And you cant stop feeling a certain way, just because you know you shouldn't feel that way. That's not how feelings work.
And that is the problem.
Articles like the one in the Athletic hopefully will contribute to normalising and understanding mental health issues and hopefully make it easier for people involved to get help, get the tools and techniques that they need to maintain their stress levels at approprtiate levels for the circumstances they are in. Easier said than done. But it's what we should be working towards.
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Post by Fisch on May 12, 2024 9:07:11 GMT
Nice work ostralia, I've learnt something from that
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Post by MungO on May 12, 2024 11:51:03 GMT
I don't think it's the role of the football manager that has increased or decreased stress levels over the years.
What has changed is the public facing side of things. That is now 24 hours. With cameras and phones being shoved in your face while you're out trying to be a family man or woman.
And that is different to any other high profile role in business. Ultimately nobody really cares if Bill Gates, Carlos Slim or something random IT Director is eating Penne Pasta and a can of coke in a backstreet Bolivian restaurant in New South Wales. But in the high profile world of sports and celebrity that is a big deal for some reason.
Because people like Pep, Klopp, and even our Richie shouldn't be allowed such privilege. They should be working on strategy, formations, and patterns of play for 60 hours a day because we only drew our last match.
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Post by dohnut on May 12, 2024 13:20:14 GMT
I don't think it's the role of the football manager that has increased or decreased stress levels over the years. What has changed is the public facing side of things. That is now 24 hours. With cameras and phones being shoved in your face while you're out trying to be a family man or woman. And that is different to any other high profile role in business. Ultimately nobody really cares if Bill Gates, Carlos Slim or something random IT Director is eating Penne Pasta and a can of coke in a backstreet Bolivian restaurant in New South Wales. But in the high profile world of sports and celebrity that is a big deal for some reason. Because people like Pep, Klopp, and even our Richie shouldn't be allowed such privilege. They should be working on strategy, formations, and patterns of play for 60 hours a day because we only drew our last match. Are you really talking about irritation more than stress. Wonder how many turn down an opportunity to work as a pundit on TV even though it will raise their public profile. I find it amusing that some celebrities spend their lives courting attention and when they become famous moan about a lack of privacy. And of course they can eat out with their family. Four weeks ago sat adjacent to a very well known and recognisable actor with his family in a restaurant. The worse he suffered was the odd glance. Personally I could walk past 90% of football managers and not even recognise them. How many outside club fans would really recognise Richie and the idea that he can’t go out with his family without a camera being stuck in his face is a stretch. Should it happen it’s irritating I’m sure. But any more irritating than not being recognised. I wonder. So I don’t really see that as stress but an irritation that is part of the job in a high profile industry. And I’d question just how much of an irritation it really is. For the majority I’d say it’s no big deal. If it was they would get out, or not got into the role in the first place. |
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Post by redshank on May 12, 2024 13:31:58 GMT
Lots of things for lots of people.At the moment I am suffering from the stress of the bureaucracy of dealing with what is needed when a relative dies.Getting the funeral everyone wants,dealing with the council and all of the other things we use in life.The only people who know what they are doing is the funeral directors. I asked a council do they do house clearance(a small council bungalow)with as much as possible cleared I was told they use one contractor and the cost will be in the thousands.That was after many mistakes in the council headquarters. Sorry to read this Try and call a local 2nd hand furniture goods contractor that complete house clearance - some of the goods / furniture in value to them to sell will pay for that service Do not use a council even if they did it - it would be far more expensive The quicker you can get the place cleared of all the furniture and turn off the services will enable you to get the council to reduce the general rates and the utilities also will not charge for their service infrastructure charge shown separately on their bills The house clearance problem is now sorted,will take in the good advice from the last paragraph,many thanks. |
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Post by eca on May 13, 2024 3:56:46 GMT
Sorry to read this Try and call a local 2nd hand furniture goods contractor that complete house clearance - some of the goods / furniture in value to them to sell will pay for that service Do not use a council even if they did it - it would be far more expensive The quicker you can get the place cleared of all the furniture and turn off the services will enable you to get the council to reduce the general rates and the utilities also will not charge for their service infrastructure charge shown separately on their bills The house clearance problem is now sorted,will take in the good advice from the last paragraph,many thanks. Havering Council policy in 2017 was the property had to be totally clear of all furniture and personal possessions and they would then classify the property for a rates empty free rebate if all the services were disconnected too - gas water electric. |
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