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Post by fortissimo on Jun 4, 2024 18:26:21 GMT
I just get the feeling that the club's broke, that's why we haven't signed any new players
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Post by dohnut on Jun 4, 2024 18:29:04 GMT
I just get the feeling that the club's broke, that's why we haven't signed any new players The club have a budget that’s mid-table. Money is there but needs to be spent wisely. Bit too early to be worrying about no new signings. |
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Post by Thor on Jun 4, 2024 22:17:59 GMT
I just get the feeling that the club's broke, that's why we haven't signed any new players All playing contracts go to 30 June, the transfer window does not open for another couple of weeks so it’s rare for anyone be signing players this early. If a players contract has expired they are also entitled to one further months salary so 31/7 would be the end of their money. Again time is in play, the player is not yet sweating and can possibly choose with more freedom who they want to play for or who is going to pay them the most. Whilst we have debt it’s owed to the owners who claim to never call it in, some has been written off previously by Kent. So we are not broke, the playing budget has been increased and I would like to think that the quality of player will be more important in this window than it was in Jan, so that quality over quantity. we’ve made a decent start so far with Prat’s and Happe both committing. |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 5, 2024 3:01:18 GMT
I just get the feeling that the club's broke, that's why we haven't signed any new players All playing contracts go to 30 June, the transfer window does not open for another couple of weeks so it’s rare for anyone be signing players this early. If a players contract has expired they are also entitled to one further months salary so 31/7 would be the end of their money. Again time is in play, the player is not yet sweating and can possibly choose with more freedom who they want to play for or who is going to pay them the most. Whilst we have debt it’s owed to the owners who claim to never call it in, some has been written off previously by Kent. So we are not broke, the playing budget has been increased and I would like to think that the quality of player will be more important in this window than it was in Jan, so that quality over quantity. we’ve made a decent start so far with Prat’s and Happe both committing. Prats and Happe is a decent start but we need to be cautious. Prats was either retire from playing or another year and perhaps the opportunity to develop his coaching role so not really a surprise that he would sign should we offer. Happe is coming off the back of another injury so a two year deal gives him the opportunity to shine next season and if he does well, a transfer fee beyond that. I have little doubt a release clause is in the contract. Both sensible. Same for Jack Simpson who wants to get back into the game. Three signings where I doubt other clubs would be queuing up to get. Same for Theo too I suspect. Will be interesting to see if a couple of others out of contract sign, both with value on the market and therefore meaning we need to compete. Low hanging fruit first so to speak. But good. I’m keen to see what we do in the competitive area. |
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Post by buffalobill on Jun 5, 2024 6:25:47 GMT
Get what you say about Prat’s and Simpson, but reckon Happe would have had some suitors, after all he has been one of our standout players at the back for a while.
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Post by alfresco on Jun 5, 2024 8:28:22 GMT
The club isnt broke, its that Ling does everything really slowly. Its the same every year, and we often end up with the dross other clubs have rejected, ie Pigott
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Post by dohnut on Jun 5, 2024 9:17:43 GMT
Get what you say about Prat’s and Simpson, but reckon Happe would have had some suitors, after all he has been one of our standout players at the back for a while. Stand-out for sure. But injury prone. He needs a season under his belt without major issue to prove his injuries have neither impacted his talent nor his body. Which is why I believe we will get a season out of him and if all goes well he will get his move up. He is still a young man. And we will get a fee. Win-win, a good move for both. Smart. He needs first team football and he will definitely get that with us. This time next year I’m sure he will be eyeing up a regular spot in the Championship, he is that good in my opinion. But needs to prove he can last a season without breaking down. If there were decent offers coming in or even serious interest I doubt he would have signed for us so quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 10:39:08 GMT
The club isnt broke, its that Ling does everything really slowly. Its the same every year, and we often end up with the dross other clubs have rejected, ie Pigott Considering the market we're shopping in I think most of the signings since the debacle of Jan 22 (which still gave us Brown) have either been decent if not excellent. Loans aside, I think only Pigott (so far) and Georgiou have been outright flops iirc. I guess you could also count Light, but I think it'd be harsh to criticise the signing of a youth player who didn't work out, especially since we've moved up a level since he arrived. |
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Post by redshank on Jun 5, 2024 16:23:37 GMT
The club isnt broke, its that Ling does everything really slowly. Its the same every year, and we often end up with the dross other clubs have rejected, ie Pigott Do you know that for a fact alfresco or is it just speculation on yourpart.We are all waiting for new players and it does seem a long process ,but there are other teams that want players. Martin Ling is the reason we have had two promotions as champions,so be fairlop. |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 5, 2024 16:32:46 GMT
The club isnt broke, its that Ling does everything really slowly. Its the same every year, and we often end up with the dross other clubs have rejected, ie Pigott Considering the market we're shopping in I think most of the signings since the debacle of Jan 22 (which still gave us Brown) have either been decent if not excellent. Loans aside, I think only Pigott (so far) and Georgiou have been outright flops iirc. I guess you could also count Light, but I think it'd be harsh to criticise the signing of a youth player who didn't work out, especially since we've moved up a level since he arrived. I think in General we are painfully slow and that won’t change. This season won’t be any different. I’ve spotted a little irritation in our managers in the past. But a few signing's have been very good. January an annual disaster in the main and costly in the league. Not seen too many players generate decent income over the past 5/6 years. Modest performances in truth. But we have made 2 hugely exceptional signings, the foundations for our success. Edinburgh and Wellens. Two out of many poor managerial appointments. Luck or judgement? The numbers suggest some luck. But I’ll take it. In my opinion those two performed miracles with the players we have signed. I dread to think where we would be without them. Probably still in the National League. Both have my respect and gratitude. |
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Post by tommydark on Jun 5, 2024 19:18:52 GMT
Justin was without doubt the best the club has done for many a year,albeit players or managers.
He had a soft spot for the o's when he said on arrival we were the only club he'd drop to the national league for.wellens would never be here if we were non league.
I shudder to think we could've done a Southend or a Wrexham and been left entrenched there for years.good old Justin rip.
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Post by dohnut on Jun 5, 2024 19:58:39 GMT
Justin was without doubt the best the club has done for many a year,albeit players or managers. He had a soft spot for the o's when he said on arrival we were the only club he'd drop to the national league for.wellens would never be here if we were non league. I shudder to think we could've done a Southend or a Wrexham and been left entrenched there for years.good old Justin rip. We have so much to thank JE for. He will live on in the hearts of Orient fans. A great tragedy for his family and his Orient family. We are where we are because of him. |
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Post by Thor on Jun 5, 2024 20:11:43 GMT
Justin is and will always be an O and a true club legend. We have much to be thankful for.
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Post by alfresco on Jun 5, 2024 22:15:43 GMT
The club isnt broke, its that Ling does everything really slowly. Its the same every year, and we often end up with the dross other clubs have rejected, ie Pigott Do you know that for a fact alfresco or is it just speculation on yourpart.We are all waiting for new players and it does seem a long process ,but there are other teams that want players. Martin Ling is the reason we have had two promotions as champions,so be fairlop. I don't agree with your last point Justin & Richie are the reason we've had two promotions, as champions. I'm no fan of Ling , for a number of reasons, one of them being what we're discussing in this thread, he's too slow signing players. There are other reasons, but I'll leave that for another time. Richie has made a few comments about signing players to late as well. I realise others will have a different opinion, and that's fine. |
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Post by Thor on Jun 6, 2024 6:12:18 GMT
We don't know the whole picture around anything the club does. I agree the promotions were not down to Ling, but he did play a part of it as did all members of staff.
Manager
Coaches
Players
Kit man
Cooks
Cleaners
Ticket office
Dof
Scouts
And so on.
Football is the same as any business, it needs and requires everyone to work together for the betterment of the business. If they happens you have a better chance of success.
So Ling wasn't the reason for the promotion, but he played a part in it as did everyone else. His team is a cog in the wheel that turns.
To me the most important person is the manager, if he leads the players correctly then he has a chance to perform. If the players buy unto what he says, then they all have a better chance of success.
Look at Davis, he played some decent football, maybe he didn't have the right players to deploy what he wanted to do. Eventually the players stopped listening. Yet with the same players Justin adjusted the style, the work rate, the tactics and the players bought into his ideas. The result league champions.
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Post by dohnut on Jun 6, 2024 7:56:41 GMT
We don't know the whole picture around anything the club does. I agree the promotions were not down to Ling, but he did play a part of it as did all members of staff. Manager Coaches Players Kit man Cooks Cleaners Ticket office Dof Scouts And so on. Football is the same as any business, it needs and requires everyone to work together for the betterment of the business. If they happens you have a better chance of success. So Ling wasn't the reason for the promotion, but he played a part in it as did everyone else. His team is a cog in the wheel that turns. To me the most important person is the manager, if he leads the players correctly then he has a chance to perform. If the players buy unto what he says, then they all have a better chance of success. Look at Davis, he played some decent football, maybe he didn't have the right players to deploy what he wanted to do. Eventually the players stopped listening. Yet with the same players Justin adjusted the style, the work rate, the tactics and the players bought into his ideas. The result league champions. Your last sentence is exactly right. Same players, different manager, dramatically different outcomes. One heading for NL South, the other League 2. Exactly why clubs change managers so often, looking for that right fit. Maybe not the best managers but the right managers at that time. I also agree totally that success is driven by the whole group. Ling by and large put that group together, including the players, so is worthy of praise. He after all appointed Justin and Richie. But alas many others who just didn’t fit. Hit and miss, amongst some poor appointments, two bullseyes. Luck or judgement? Why I’m pleased RW may be staying a while. Should he go I have little confidence a replacement will continue our upwards trajectory. Hit or Miss is in the lap of the Gods rather than sound judgement. |
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Post by mayland0s on Jun 6, 2024 10:37:29 GMT
The club isnt broke, it’s that Ling does everything really slowly. Its the same every year, and we often end up with the dross other clubs have rejected, ie Pigott I read somewhere that RW said Piggot was signed from Wimbledon to team up with Sanders again Sanders was laying on Piggots goals and they worked well together . |
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Post by tommydark on Jun 6, 2024 12:26:03 GMT
Someone's on a wind up re the club broke.they'd hardly spend half a million tarting up the old stand if they were.how's that coming along,anyone know?
Relax Mr spaghetti is long gone
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Post by redshank on Jun 6, 2024 13:37:54 GMT
Do you know that for a fact alfresco or is it just speculation on yourpart.We are all waiting for new players and it does seem a long process ,but there are other teams that want players. Martin Ling is the reason we have had two promotions as champions,so be fairlop. I don't agree with your last point Justin & Richie are the reason we've had two promotions, as champions. I'm no fan of Ling , for a number of reasons, one of them being what we're discussing in this thread, he's too slow signing players. There are other reasons, but I'll leave that for another time. Richie has made a few comments about signing players to late as well. I realise others will have a different opinion, and that's fine. All opinions welcome on this forum. |
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Post by confucius on Jun 8, 2024 8:36:39 GMT
I don't agree with your last point Justin & Richie are the reason we've had two promotions, as champions. I'm no fan of Ling , for a number of reasons, one of them being what we're discussing in this thread, he's too slow signing players. There are other reasons, but I'll leave that for another time. Richie has made a few comments about signing players to late as well. I realise others will have a different opinion, and that's fine. All opinions welcome on this forum. Confucius say: ‘Opinions are welcome as long as they follow narrow-mindedness.’ |
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