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Post by redintheface on Sept 28, 2024 18:31:45 GMT
Defence was creaking a bit at times late on but held out in the end. Another game we could have won but have to settle for a point. Our home form is a bit of a concern but at least we are picking up points now.👍 Well pleased with the last 4 results, two wins and two draws and all after that shocking start ! Need to win our home games though redshank. You were talking on another thread about poor attendance recently- dropping points at home won’t help, especially in games that we have ample opportunity to win like the last two. Hopefully the Exeter game on Tuesday will rectify that. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 28, 2024 19:28:54 GMT
Well pleased with the last 4 results, two wins and two draws and all after that shocking start ! Need to win our home games though redshank. You were talking on another thread about poor attendance recently- dropping points at home won’t help, especially in games that we have ample opportunity to win like the last two. Hopefully the Exeter game on Tuesday will rectify that. We keep saying it, we need to start scoring in these tight games. A centre forward has been needed for the past three seasons. |
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Post by lukeryan on Sept 29, 2024 1:01:04 GMT
It’s all coming together now. That’s performance included all the things RW was bemoaning we weren’t doing in earlier games eg being brave, passing forward early, pressing high up.
Wrexham weren’t up to much because we stifled and showed up their limitations. Change of formation to match them and we played 352 better than them and that’s what they play week in week out. Squad rotated for the midweek. God bless Jack Currie Dom Ball and Richie Wellens star performers
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Post by eca on Sept 29, 2024 3:16:39 GMT
It’s all coming together now. That’s performance included all the things RW was bemoaning we weren’t doing in earlier games eg being brave, passing forward early, pressing high up. Wrexham weren’t up to much because we stifled and showed up their limitations. Change of formation to match them and we played 352 better than them and that’s what they play week in week out. Squad rotated for the midweek. God bless Jack Currie Dom Ball and Richie Wellens star performers On line I got the impression they were not playing the ball forward early - generally there appeared to be too much passing sideways across the back - in that respect it appeared more like the early games this season - that passing across the back seemed repetitive and lacking imagination and appropriate movement in front of the back centre three |
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Post by Thor on Sept 29, 2024 3:31:23 GMT
It’s all coming together now. That’s performance included all the things RW was bemoaning we weren’t doing in earlier games eg being brave, passing forward early, pressing high up. Wrexham weren’t up to much because we stifled and showed up their limitations. Change of formation to match them and we played 352 better than them and that’s what they play week in week out. Squad rotated for the midweek. God bless Jack Currie Dom Ball and Richie Wellens star performers On line I got the impression they were not playing the ball forward early - generally there appeared to be too much passing sideways across the back - in that respect it appeared more like the early games this season - that passing across the back seemed repetitive and lacking imagination and appropriate movement in front of the back centre three This is true, the idea being to drag them across the pitch which will open up space for us to play though. It was a bit repetitive although I’m not moaning about that, it was the speed it was being done at. If we had moved it quicker then the gaps would have appeared. Still I don’t want to take away from a good performance. We are getting better, just need a goal scorer. If Kelman scores after 2 mins we win the game easy. |
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Post by eca on Sept 29, 2024 3:37:42 GMT
What really worries me when the back 3 or 4 play it across the back is one of them may miss hit the ball and the opposing team may then have a real chance of scoring.
If you watch some of the side ways passing it was so close to the opposing players in addition on some occasions the receiving player was in a more vulnerable position than the previous lofc player making the pass.
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Post by billericayo on Sept 29, 2024 5:53:21 GMT
It’s all coming together now. That’s performance included all the things RW was bemoaning we weren’t doing in earlier games eg being brave, passing forward early, pressing high up. Wrexham weren’t up to much because we stifled and showed up their limitations. Change of formation to match them and we played 352 better than them and that’s what they play week in week out. Squad rotated for the midweek. God bless Jack Currie Dom Ball and Richie Wellens star performers On line I got the impression they were not playing the ball forward early - generally there appeared to be too much passing sideways across the back - in that respect it appeared more like the early games this season - that passing across the back seemed repetitive and lacking imagination and appropriate movement in front of the back centre three Spot on eca, could of, should of, but we didn't. Agyei is a lazy player, can't be bothered to help get the ball back. and Jordan Graham can't defend for toffee, as soon as he was on Wexham targeted him, he simple won't react quick enough to nullify the guy working on him, didn't once get the ball back. Simpson loves a sideway pass only one forward pass in the game. Galbraith, Kelman Beccles, don't think they put a foot wrong all game Beccles deserved that MOM for second match running, surprised we didn't bring Pratley on to see the game out, We're collecting points though and points mean prizes as Brucie would say. |
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Post by redintheface on Sept 29, 2024 6:21:59 GMT
Need to win our home games though redshank. You were talking on another thread about poor attendance recently- dropping points at home won’t help, especially in games that we have ample opportunity to win like the last two. Hopefully the Exeter game on Tuesday will rectify that. We keep saying it, we need to start scoring in these tight games. A centre forward has been needed for the past three seasons. Unfortunately the hoped for Agyei/ Kelman partnership hasn’t worked so far and based upon yesterday RW now seems he might be inclined to start only one of the two ( Kelman) and bring on the other ( Agyei) after an hour or so. Like you say Den, the issue is not a new one and hasn’t been resolved yet. |
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Post by Fisch on Sept 29, 2024 6:26:09 GMT
Judging from the stream, l thought we were clearly the better side but perhaps put about too much energy into things which almost cost us late in the 2nd half.
I was happy to see Ollie on the bench in that he just doesn't contribute enough, sadly Donley wasn't much of an improvement so we still looked a man short.
The 3 CBs worked well against this opposition, that left James and Currie to play wing-back and contribute with and without the ball.
I thought Wrexham identified Galbraith as the man to stop so he was marked closely which made his life difficult. Charlie is a typical Orient forward - lots of energy and willingness but not a talented goal getter, if he were, he'd not be with us. Dom Ball and Omar are my motm nominations.
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Post by dohnut on Sept 29, 2024 6:49:58 GMT
We don’t generally play the ball forward early. Despite endless comments from RW that don’t seem to change, doubt it ever will. So many teams play that way, posh did on Tuesday. I personally don’t like all this sideways, backwards stuff. Dangerous, boring, largely ineffective against well organised sides (most these days). But not going to change.
Harsh to say Agyie is lazy, I certainly don’t see his game that way but some players are just not good at charging up and down all the game. Don’t see Graham that way either.
Personally I thought for 70 minutes we were very good. Then it was about hanging on, they looked knackered. That too is not a system I enjoy. It’s Ok if the game is won in the first hour but Kelman, for all his hard running, hasn’t improved since his last stint with us. Agyie is the better player but Kelman the harder worker and that is the preferred choice. So plenty of effort, few goals. We rarely test the opposition keeper.
But there were changes. Beckles seemed to get forward more as did James. Currie got a bit of a pasting at times but adds a lot to our game. Ball/Clare in midfield look good. Can’t see the point of Donley. But we probably are obligated to give him game time.
Overall a step in the right direction. Mid table beckons and that is good enough. The next game takes on greater importance. We need a win..
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Post by zimo on Sept 29, 2024 7:35:54 GMT
I wouldn’t believe I’d be typing this after the first few games, but we missed Clare when he went off yesterday. He’d already contributed a couple of bursting runs and a shot at goal from midfield when he had to come off, and he’s been a revelation in midfield. I also think people are being a bit harsh on Graham, I saw him get back a few times and stop at least one cross into the box. I feel we’re missing talent out wide this season, Archibald injured, O,Neill’s form taken a dip, Graham still not up to match fitness etc. in my opinion we really miss Forde, it was noticeable last season, especially in the latter stages of games, how Forde would take players on, beat them and create space for others. Until something changes in that area we’ll struggle to score goals.
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Post by Fisch on Sept 29, 2024 7:38:32 GMT
A word about Hemming. The boy done good. Happy to see him between the sticks.
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Post by Ramrod on Sept 29, 2024 7:45:38 GMT
Need to win our home games though redshank. You were talking on another thread about poor attendance recently- dropping points at home won’t help, especially in games that we have ample opportunity to win like the last two. Hopefully the Exeter game on Tuesday will rectify that. We keep saying it, we need to start scoring in these tight games. A centre forward has been needed for the past three seasons. I don't really see this changing as even if we get a goalscorer we invariably lose them, even someone as limited as Ruel. There is nothing new in this for the O's but assuming no new investment from other sources we could do with some serious cash from a player sale. |
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Post by redintheface on Sept 29, 2024 8:00:05 GMT
We don’t generally play the ball forward early. Despite endless comments from RW that don’t seem to change, doubt it ever will. So many teams play that way, posh did on Tuesday. I personally don’t like all this sideways, backwards stuff. Dangerous, boring, largely ineffective against well organised sides (most these days). But not going to change. Harsh to say Agyie is lazy, I certainly don’t see his game that way but some players are just not good at charging up and down all the game. Don’t see Graham that way either. Personally I thought for 70 minutes we were very good. Then it was about hanging on, they looked knackered. That too is not a system I enjoy. It’s Ok if the game is won in the first hour but Kelman, for all his hard running, hasn’t improved since his last stint with us. Agyie is the better player but Kelman the harder worker and that is the preferred choice. So plenty of effort, few goals. Overall a step in the right direction. Mid table beckons and that is good enough. The next game takes on greater importance. We need a win.. I certainly agree that Agyei is in no way “ lazy”. Nor is in any player in the current squad in my estimation. I would have to differ with you on Kelman though. In my view, he is clearly a better player now than he was during his previous spell at the club and will, injuries permitting , end up in double figures goal wise this season I’m sure.👍 |
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Post by Thor on Sept 29, 2024 8:06:34 GMT
I wouldn’t believe I’d be typing this after the first few games, but we missed Clare when he went off yesterday. He’d already contributed a couple of bursting runs and a shot at goal from midfield when he had to come off, and he’s been a revelation in midfield. I also think people are being a bit harsh on Graham, I saw him get back a few times and stop at least one cross into the box. I feel we’re missing talent out wide this season, Archibald injured, O,Neill’s form taken a dip, Graham still not up to match fitness etc. in my opinion we really miss Forde, it was noticeable last season, especially in the latter stages of games, how Forde would take players on, beat them and create space for others. Until something changes in that area we’ll struggle to score goals. You do realise we are not playing the same system as last season? I believe every game but one we have not played wingers as wingers? Yesterday we deployed the box once more, that’s two holding midfielders and in front of them two attacking midfielders. No wingers in there at all. The three at the back allowed the wingbacks to get forwards when attacking and add a 5 when defending. So in Ollies defence we have not yet played consistently 4-2-3-1, I suspect if we do we will see a better Ollie than we have so far this season. The change has been made due to Idris departing, but now Ball can play that role as good as he did it may return. |
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Post by Thor on Sept 29, 2024 8:07:45 GMT
A word about Hemming. The boy done good. Happy to see him between the sticks. He did, but every time the ball goes near him, my heart beats faster. Im not yet convinced on him. |
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Post by MungO on Sept 29, 2024 8:37:43 GMT
I thought Wrexham were s***e.
You really wouldn't have guessed who was top of the league.
It's a travesty that we haven't won that match.
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Post by dohnut on Sept 29, 2024 10:55:29 GMT
I thought Wrexham were s***e. You really wouldn't have guessed who was top of the league. It's a travesty that we haven't won that match. s***e is a bit harsh. They have some really good players in their team and on the bench. Against us I think we deserve credit for making them look ordinary for 70 minutes. I liked how we set up and played in general. Credit to RW He got it largely right in my opinion. I thought in the last 20 minutes and after their subs came on they started to look good as we started to not play as we can, reasons why of course. Did we deserve to win? Despite 70 minutes of domination we managed 1 shot on target to Wrexhams 2. They also hit the post and how that scramble didn’t result in a goal beats me. Bottom line is until we get more shots on target we deserve bugger all. Nothing in this game for a good performance, only goals. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 29, 2024 11:00:32 GMT
Both teams trying not to lose the match made for a poor game.Pleased with the point and our advantage of the game.A more punchy performance on the cards for Tuesday night.
Well done RW you set Orient up so well for the match,Your stock rises match by match.
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Post by redshank on Sept 29, 2024 11:10:31 GMT
A word about Hemming. The boy done good. Happy to see him between the sticks. We knew that would happen once he settled in.Decent use of the ball as well,always looking for the quick opportunity. |
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