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Post by redintheface on Oct 1, 2024 21:44:34 GMT
Fair dos..Maybe a confidence thing..Even though he comes across as a confident players in his interviews he's not match fit yet, nowhere near. Also he's been out so long it's gonna take him half a dozen games to get his touch, rhythm and work rate back to the required level. I don't know how long he got tonight but 10 mins here or there will take longer, but I also get we are protecting him in his return which is absolutely fine with me. Begs the obvious question if he’s not match fit then why is RW putting him on around the hour mark when we are chasing the game and need to up the tempo? Whatever the reason Graham made just as little impact as Donley and Perkins tonight and should be doing better imho. |
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Post by eca on Oct 1, 2024 21:46:37 GMT
I get very disappointed every match I see Agyei subbed off - apart from when it obvious he is tiring from his work effort
Can someone explain why he cannot be part of a strike force with kelman for the whole match
Re the suggestion on here he is not fit
I rather have him on the pitch and play him in a different tactical role ie can we use him as at Crewe where he was scoring and performances attracted orient to buy him - please RW
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Post by dohnut on Oct 1, 2024 21:49:01 GMT
he's not match fit yet, nowhere near. Also he's been out so long it's gonna take him half a dozen games to get his touch, rhythm and work rate back to the required level. I don't know how long he got tonight but 10 mins here or there will take longer, but I also get we are protecting him in his return which is absolutely fine with me. Begs the obvious question if he’s not match fit then why is RW putting him on around the hour mark when we are chasing the game and need to up the tempo? Whatever the reason Graham made just as little impact as Donley and Perkins tonight and should be doing better imho. It was a desperation measure bringing on Graham. Nowhere near match fitness so for him it was minutes and hope over expectation. Perkins was desperation. Too many below par performances today. Lacking energy. Bad day at the office. We move on. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 1, 2024 22:05:13 GMT
Begs the obvious question if he’s not match fit then why is RW putting him on around the hour mark when we are chasing the game and need to up the tempo? Whatever the reason Graham made just as little impact as Donley and Perkins tonight and should be doing better imho. It was a desperation measure bringing on Graham. Nowhere near match fitness so for him it was minutes and hope over expectation. Perkins was desperation. Too many below par performances today. Lacking energy. Bad day at the office. We move on. Can’t agree with you dohnut I’m afraid. It’s not “ desperation” to bring on an experienced player with 30 minutes left in a game in which you’re trailing 1-0. How does the guy get match fit if you don’t play him ? I’m not judging the bloke on one half hour substitute appearance but he was rank tonight and it’s reasonable to expect someone with Graham’s pedigree to produce a bit more than inexperienced youngsters like Donley and Perkins when things in general are not going smoothly. |
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Post by ramblingman on Oct 1, 2024 22:30:33 GMT
Getting cheesed off now by 'played well but didn't win' and complaining about the crowd. Two home wins in the last twelve, both against sides now playing in League 2.
Sort it out, Richie!
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Post by Thor on Oct 1, 2024 22:30:36 GMT
It was a desperation measure bringing on Graham. Nowhere near match fitness so for him it was minutes and hope over expectation. Perkins was desperation. Too many below par performances today. Lacking energy. Bad day at the office. We move on. Can’t agree with you dohnut I’m afraid. It’s not “ desperation” to bring on an experienced player with 30 minutes left in a game in which you’re trailing 1-0. How does the guy get match fit if you don’t play him ? I’m not judging the bloke on one half hour substitute appearance but he was rank tonight and it’s reasonable to expect someone with Graham’s pedigree to produce a bit more than inexperienced youngsters like Donley and Perkins when things in general are not going smoothly. you would also like to think he could do 30 mins as well, even if he's tiring towards the end of it. Perkins for me is strange. I can see he has ability, but he appears to have a lack of desire for want of a better word to describe his output. I would have thought that by now he would have grasped what type of player Richie wants. Cos when I watch him there is a complete disconnect between the two. |
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 2, 2024 6:43:35 GMT
Can’t agree with you dohnut I’m afraid. It’s not “ desperation” to bring on an experienced player with 30 minutes left in a game in which you’re trailing 1-0. How does the guy get match fit if you don’t play him ? I’m not judging the bloke on one half hour substitute appearance but he was rank tonight and it’s reasonable to expect someone with Graham’s pedigree to produce a bit more than inexperienced youngsters like Donley and Perkins when things in general are not going smoothly. you would also like to think he could do 30 mins as well, even if he's tiring towards the end of it. Perkins for me is strange. I can see he has ability, but he appears to have a lack of desire for want of a better word to describe his output. I would have thought that by now he would have grasped what type of player Richie wants. Cos when I watch him there is a complete disconnect between the two. I think it's the story of Perkins football career to date. There some talent in there but no fire. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 2, 2024 7:04:45 GMT
Can’t agree with you dohnut I’m afraid. It’s not “ desperation” to bring on an experienced player with 30 minutes left in a game in which you’re trailing 1-0. How does the guy get match fit if you don’t play him ? I’m not judging the bloke on one half hour substitute appearance but he was rank tonight and it’s reasonable to expect someone with Graham’s pedigree to produce a bit more than inexperienced youngsters like Donley and Perkins when things in general are not going smoothly. you would also like to think he could do 30 mins as well, even if he's tiring towards the end of it. Perkins for me is strange. I can see he has ability, but he appears to have a lack of desire for want of a better word to describe his output. I would have thought that by now he would have grasped what type of player Richie wants. Cos when I watch him there is a complete disconnect between the two. I’m beginning to wonder if too much faith has been placed in Graham’s return tbh. The next candidate for O’s saviour will be Archibald who is on course to return in December I believe! Re Perkins, what I’ve seen of him he seems more of a Joe Pigott type player than the 100mph workhorse that RW prefers. Good to have a contrast in styles but individuals have to be played to their strengths. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 2, 2024 7:06:26 GMT
Getting cheesed off now by 'played well but didn't win' and complaining about the crowd. Two home wins in the last twelve, both against sides now playing in League 2. Sort it out, Richie! Spot on. Home crowds will not improve on the back of results like that. |
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Post by Thor on Oct 2, 2024 7:41:42 GMT
you would also like to think he could do 30 mins as well, even if he's tiring towards the end of it. Perkins for me is strange. I can see he has ability, but he appears to have a lack of desire for want of a better word to describe his output. I would have thought that by now he would have grasped what type of player Richie wants. Cos when I watch him there is a complete disconnect between the two. I’m beginning to wonder if too much faith has been placed in Graham’s return tbh. The next candidate for O’s saviour will be Archibald who is on course to return in December I believe! Re Perkins, what I’ve seen of him he seems more of a Joe Pigott type player than the 100mph workhorse that RW prefers. Good to have a contrast in styles but individuals have to be played to their strengths. Agreed. Concerning Theo he's gonna take time to get back to full fitness as well. His desire will be high as you can see from his play how much he wants it, but it's a big injury he has suffered. |
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 2, 2024 7:52:43 GMT
Correction: Exeter have plenty of cash to spend. They've made - and are still making - millions out of their academy. Thanks for making the point. They do make money on transfers but, even including that, their overall revenue is only around £6 million. Which means they turned a small profit in 2022-3 of 320k. Without an investor with deep pockets, it's tricky to keep this going. Swiss Ramble has them in the bottom group of clubs by revenue, alongside Orient. Exeter have a happy knack of making big money both on youngsters and normal transfers by resisting small offers and holding on to players until the price is right. Stansfield is the latest player to earn them an absolute mint. Contrast this with our sale of Kyprianou to P'bro. We accept 300K and a sell-on to a club in the same division that stands to make millions from the player. In the meantime we have to wait years to actually get the sell-on. This is the reality, I realise that, but it's hard to swallow. |
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Post by mrb on Oct 2, 2024 7:56:49 GMT
Thanks for making the point. They do make money on transfers but, even including that, their overall revenue is only around £6 million. Which means they turned a small profit in 2022-3 of 320k. Without an investor with deep pockets, it's tricky to keep this going. Swiss Ramble has them in the bottom group of clubs by revenue, alongside Orient. Exeter have a happy knack of making big money both on youngsters and normal transfers by resisting small offers and holding on to players until the price is right. Stansfield is the latest player to earn them an absolute mint. Contrast this with our sale of Kyprianou to P'bro. We accept 300K and a sell-on to a club in the same division that stands to make millions from the player. In the meantime we have to wait years to actually get the sell-on. This is the reality, I realise that, but it's hard to swallow. Well summed up Ramrod |
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Post by redshank on Oct 2, 2024 9:28:34 GMT
Well beaten although the result suggests a narrow win.A lethargic performance from the O's and a defeat looked obvious from the first ten minutes.However that game is over and at the next game we need a complete reversal of yesterdays effort.
Why must most of our few shots at goal go directly into the goalkeepers arms.Puzzling because we have some excellent League 1 players.
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Post by tommydark on Oct 2, 2024 9:41:01 GMT
RW reminds me of petchey on the 70s
The more the fans want something,the less chance they'll get it.
Same situation as pre season
WANTED..unattached experienced striker,age no object
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Post by redshank on Oct 2, 2024 10:00:01 GMT
RW reminds me of petchey on the 70s The more the fans want something,the less chance they'll get it. Same situation as pre season WANTED..unattached experienced striker,age no object George Petchey gave Orient the best time Orient fans have ever had.Great time to be an O's fan. |
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Post by Thor on Oct 2, 2024 10:10:28 GMT
RW reminds me of petchey on the 70s The more the fans want something,the less chance they'll get it. Same situation as pre season WANTED..unattached experienced striker,age no object George Petchey gave Orient the best time Orient fans have ever had.Great time to be an O's fan. really? Why? |
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Post by redshank on Oct 2, 2024 10:23:43 GMT
A few cup runs ,one FA Cup semi -final,near promotion to the First division,great players and the style of football that was an utter joy to watch.The Daily Mail ran an entertainment league and we gained constantly high points;One year we topped the entertainment league.We also won the highly contested Evening Standard 5-a side competition that was televised on ITV.And we always beat Chelsea to paraphrase the great George Petchey.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 2, 2024 10:30:51 GMT
RW reminds me of petchey on the 70s The more the fans want something,the less chance they'll get it. Same situation as pre season WANTED..unattached experienced striker,age no object As a highly respected manager once said- “ if you listen to the crowd, you’ll soon be joining them”👍 |
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Post by tommydark on Oct 2, 2024 10:32:34 GMT
Petcheys downfall was our dreadful pitch.we just couldnt play his passing game on it.
It should be remembered our 1978 semi final was down to Bloomfield/Angell as petchey was sacked sept 1977.
But the one touch play of petchey was lovely stuff to watch
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Post by billk53 on Oct 2, 2024 10:51:33 GMT
Our 1978 cup run was mainly due to Peter Kitchen's goalscoring, and he was signed when Petchey was still in charge.
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