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Post by Thor on Oct 1, 2024 22:39:24 GMT
Now I wasn’t at the game and have not seen anything of it.
Richie says we should have won by 5 goals easily. Thought Donley was excellent which is kind of the opposite of what other on here say he was. Warrington and Graham need minuets and how else will they get them without playing them? We need to be braver and more confident in each other and some players need to step up.
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 2, 2024 6:39:05 GMT
To me, he sounded a bit shaken by that one.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 2, 2024 6:55:07 GMT
To me, he sounded a bit shaken by that one. Seems after that one he doesn’t know what his best starting XI is. |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 2, 2024 7:31:15 GMT
Four or five? That’s pushing it a bit even by his standards. But he did seem a bit shaken up for sure. Same for all of us. After good signs of improvement that was a massive step backwards. Worrying too. Not quite at the stage of hoping there are four teams worse than us but F-me that was not encouraging. Seems we get a few key players missing and we have not much else. Whats Pratley doing these days? Could have done with him out there.
But some encouraging signs over the past few weeks. Consign that to the dustbin of history and move on. Still most of the season to go.
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Post by beo on Oct 2, 2024 8:09:28 GMT
Now I wasn’t at the game and have not seen anything of it. Richie says we should have won by 5 goals easily. Thought Donley was excellent which is kind of the opposite of what other on here say he was. Warrington and Graham need minuets and how else will they get them without playing them? We need to be braver and more confident in each other and some players need to step up. He said Donley was good not excellent |
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Post by Thor on Oct 2, 2024 8:20:49 GMT
My wife said it was bad when she got back home. Let's not lose sight of the journey this team is on. I've been encouraged in the performances bar Shrewsbury, we've been let down with horrendous individual mistakes so far this season, hopefully this is something we can iron out on the training ground.
The only issue I see is our ability to finish the chances we create. The trouble is pre last night we've not been creating that many chances to be fair to the forwards. We have also changed shape which I am not sure helps us create enough chances in the first place. If we take the Wrexham game Kelman missed what I consider an easy chance, Donley also missed a sitter, we should have been 2 up. We didn't convert and we didn't score. Now in 90 mins to create only two opportunities to score is not quite the standard required. If Kelman scores that he has 1 in 1 or 100% success in that game, forwards who do that are not playing league 1 football.
So for me we need to switch back to wingers, proper wingers and play on the front foot. Many has said O'Neil is not the same player and I'd agree with that however, we are asking him to play inna different position when he gets an opportunity. Maybe he's not comfortable doing what's he's being asked to do?
Move the shape back to 4-2-3-1 play on the front foot, play quickly and take the game to our opponents. Someone said in the match thread that when they scored, they played quickly, with purpose and took their chance. Contrast that to us on Sat and its sideways, backwards, sideways, which is fine, but we do it too slowly which allows men to get back behind the ball.
Still I see positives, just need a bit more in the final third to boost us up the table.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 2, 2024 10:53:33 GMT
Fair assessment Thor. I don’t get too excited about off target chances, some decent many still orbiting the moon. The James type stunner is the exception, most are in reality very poor efforts. We need to create on target chances and accept that even then the keeper will deal with most. It’s their job.
Watched Spurs against Man U. They should have got 6 or 7. 10 shots on target, 24 in total. The three they got was a decent conversion rate. Our 4 goals from 5 on target chances at Stockport, exceptional.
To score, we simply need to create more on target shots. We don’t. It matters absolutely zilch if we play well but don’t create on target chances. That just leads to delusion. Believing we are better than we really are. We are not. We will not be good until we create on target chances and score goals. The whole point of the game. Winning, not pretty football. Wrexham a great example, for 70 minutes we played well yet created 1 chance on target. Not good enough. All that good football counted for not much in today’s league table. Include posh in that. 2 points not 6. Not good enough.
We need to start winning. To do that we need to score. To do that we need to create on-target chances. We don’t. We are not playing winning football. The rest is window dressing.
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Post by tommydark on Oct 2, 2024 11:58:54 GMT
I'm glad RW is our manager,but he's proved hes better at motivating than tactics.
He dabbles with systems.
Often spotting his mistakes and changing players and shape mid match.sometimes when its too late.
Wish he'd keep it simple,play to players strengths(eg O'Neill)
Then with another striker we'll be OK.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 2, 2024 14:33:38 GMT
I'm glad RW is our manager,but he's proved hes better at motivating than tactics. He daIn other words, ''bbles with systems. Often spotting his mistakes and changing players and shape mid match.sometimes when its too late. Wish he'd keep it simple,play to players strengths(eg O'Neill) Then with another striker we'll be OK. Same old chat from Richie, we should have won and should have scored a lot of goals.
In other words ''Should have, could have, would have''
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Post by mrb on Oct 2, 2024 15:15:29 GMT
I'm glad RW is our manager,but he's proved hes better at motivating than tactics. He daIn other words, ''bbles with systems. Often spotting his mistakes and changing players and shape mid match.sometimes when its too late. Wish he'd keep it simple,play to players strengths(eg O'Neill) Then with another striker we'll be OK. Same old chat from Richie, we should have won and should have scored a lot of goals.
In other words ''Should have, could have, would have''
But didn’t! |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 2, 2024 15:55:12 GMT
I'm glad RW is our manager,but he's proved hes better at motivating than tactics. He daIn other words, ''bbles with systems. Often spotting his mistakes and changing players and shape mid match.sometimes when its too late. Wish he'd keep it simple,play to players strengths(eg O'Neill) Then with another striker we'll be OK. Same old chat from Richie, we should have won and should have scored a lot of goals.
In other words ''Should have, could have, would have''
That’s just his style. “This player is great”, “he did well”, “we are playing better than results “ “should have got 4 or 5”. It is thought that if you same something often enough people will believe it. In truth it’s a management trick that quite often works. Google it. Don’t matter whether it’s right or not. But he is trying to get his players to believe they are better than they are. A reasonable enough ploy to be honest, Can’t criticise it. Many managers do it. Though sometimes it just doesn’t ring true. 4/5 against Exeter? Laughable. in truth we could still be playing and still would not have scored. Best to just move on. |
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Post by Nick312 on Oct 2, 2024 21:01:59 GMT
You're right in what you say Donut, but where do we move on? The next five games could have been considered fairly winnable. But ....
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Post by downundero on Oct 3, 2024 7:42:55 GMT
I am no football tactical genius. I am a fan. And as a fan, I say we need to take more shots. So many times, it looks like half a yard is there, the shot is on, and instead, a diagonal pass is played, and we end up being pressed back to the halfway line. Modern football relies on keeping possession, I get that, but hammering a shot from the edge of/inside the box is most likely to result in a corner or, a goal kick - which 9 times out of ten is a 50/50 contest in the middle of the park and we have been solid on winning these lately........ For the love of all that is holy..Shoot!!!!
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 3, 2024 9:52:06 GMT
I am no football tactical genius. I am a fan. And as a fan, I say we need to take more shots. So many times, it looks like half a yard is there, the shot is on, and instead, a diagonal pass is played, and we end up being pressed back to the halfway line. Modern football relies on keeping possession, I get that, but hammering a shot from the edge of/inside the box is most likely to result in a corner or, a goal kick - which 9 times out of ten is a 50/50 contest in the middle of the park and we have been solid on winning these lately........ For the love of all that is holy..Shoot!!!! Agree and many goals come via a deflected shot, which sends the keeper the wrong way. If you hardly ever take a shot then your chances of ever scoring are diminished. |
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Post by eca on Oct 3, 2024 10:04:42 GMT
If we had not made the goalie errors at the start of the season we would be around half way in the table and all this tension or frustration/ anxiety would never of been tabled
I think the goalie has recovered his form and hopefully that stays like that
Yes all goalies make blunders unfortunately thats is the game.
I watched the Exeters managers post match interview and I thought he sounded the usual stuff they say what did annoy me was the way he commented on the foul - it was a dreadful piece of physical assault and their manager dismissed it to the point I really hope Exeter get stuffed by us next time we play and that player Watts gets what should be coming to him big time.
I read watts cv and unfortunately for me he is Australian
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Post by zimo on Oct 3, 2024 11:11:24 GMT
If we had not made the goalie errors at the start of the season we would be around half way in the table and all this tension or frustration/ anxiety would never of been tabled I think the goalie has recovered his form and hopefully that stays like that Yes all goalies make blunders unfortunately thats is the game. I watched the Exeters managers post match interview and I thought he sounded the usual stuff they say what did annoy me was the way he commented on the foul - it was a dreadful piece of physical assault and their manager dismissed it to the point I really hope Exeter get stuffed by us next time we play and that player Watts gets what should be coming to him big time. I read watts cv and unfortunately for me he is Australian Just before he got sent off he was winding up the crowd and blowing kisses to O’s fans in the South Bank, so nice to see Karma come and kick him up the arse! |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 3, 2024 11:29:15 GMT
I am no football tactical genius. I am a fan. And as a fan, I say we need to take more shots. So many times, it looks like half a yard is there, the shot is on, and instead, a diagonal pass is played, and we end up being pressed back to the halfway line. Modern football relies on keeping possession, I get that, but hammering a shot from the edge of/inside the box is most likely to result in a corner or, a goal kick - which 9 times out of ten is a 50/50 contest in the middle of the park and we have been solid on winning these lately........ For the love of all that is holy..Shoot!!!! Possession for the sake of it drives me nuts. Our style at times drives me nuts. At the start of the second half, one play, took us 30 seconds to get the ball into the Exeter half and that ended with the usual hopeful punt that they mopped up with ease. A goal down and we are wasting time. Unbelievable Jeff. Dicking around then a long hopeful punt is our way too often. But who in midfield is capable of picking up a short pass and taking it forward? No El Miz, Moncs at Southend? No Clare. Galbraith perhaps, a class above when given the opportunity. Ball looked jaded, not yet up to speed. No DJ. ONeill way off his game, no Theo, Warrington not yet. No Oberio. Choices are limited. So a punt it is. In Agyie and Kellman we don’t have forwards capable of dropping back a little deeper to pick up the ball and progress. Agyie does try. So all this dicking around is less about trying to open up space, teams too aware and well drilled for that, and more about us being clueless on the way to take it forward. Strangely the better teams like Posh and Wrexham allow us to play to our strengths. But we just can’t cope with the likes of Exeter. And it showed. |
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Post by eca on Oct 3, 2024 11:41:08 GMT
If we had not made the goalie errors at the start of the season we would be around half way in the table and all this tension or frustration/ anxiety would never of been tabled I think the goalie has recovered his form and hopefully that stays like that Yes all goalies make blunders unfortunately thats is the game. I watched the Exeters managers post match interview and I thought he sounded the usual stuff they say what did annoy me was the way he commented on the foul - it was a dreadful piece of physical assault and their manager dismissed it to the point I really hope Exeter get stuffed by us next time we play and that player Watts gets what should be coming to him big time. I read watts cv and unfortunately for me he is Australian Just before he got sent off he was winding up the crowd and blowing kisses to O’s fans in the South Bank, so nice to see Karma come and kick him up the arse! On pheonix pod cast I listened to this morning Oz time they said that watts stuck up two fingers as he was going into the tunnel I hope someone gets him big time in the future - our players obviously know other players at other clubs and they talk to each other I be interested to see in Exeters games how that a xx hole goes |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 3, 2024 12:56:56 GMT
I am no football tactical genius. I am a fan. And as a fan, I say we need to take more shots. So many times, it looks like half a yard is there, the shot is on, and instead, a diagonal pass is played, and we end up being pressed back to the halfway line. Modern football relies on keeping possession, I get that, but hammering a shot from the edge of/inside the box is most likely to result in a corner or, a goal kick - which 9 times out of ten is a 50/50 contest in the middle of the park and we have been solid on winning these lately........ For the love of all that is holy..Shoot!!!! Possession for the sake of it drives me nuts. Our style at times drives me nuts. At the start of the second half, one play, took us 30 seconds to get the ball into the Exeter half and that ended with the usual hopeful punt that they mopped up with ease. A goal down and we are wasting time. Unbelievable Jeff. Dicking around then a long hopeful punt is our way too often. But who in midfield is capable of picking up a short pass and taking it forward? No El Miz, Moncs at Southend? No Clare. Galbraith perhaps, a class above when given the opportunity. Ball looked jaded, not yet up to speed. No DJ. ONeill way off his game, no Theo, Warrington not yet. No Oberio. Choices are limited. So a punt it is. In Agyie and Kellman we don’t have forwards capable of dropping back a little deeper to pick up the ball and progress. Agyie does try. So all this dicking around is less about trying to open up space, teams too aware and well drilled for that, and more about us being clueless on the way to take it forward. Strangely the better teams like Posh and Wrexham allow us to play to our strengths. But we just can’t cope with the likes of Exeter. And it showed. And no more is the much maligned Ruel at the club to bang in the half chances. Also your favourite Jordan Graham is nowhere near yet up to speed. |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 3, 2024 14:46:06 GMT
Possession for the sake of it drives me nuts. Our style at times drives me nuts. At the start of the second half, one play, took us 30 seconds to get the ball into the Exeter half and that ended with the usual hopeful punt that they mopped up with ease. A goal down and we are wasting time. Unbelievable Jeff. Dicking around then a long hopeful punt is our way too often. But who in midfield is capable of picking up a short pass and taking it forward? No El Miz, Moncs at Southend? No Clare. Galbraith perhaps, a class above when given the opportunity. Ball looked jaded, not yet up to speed. No DJ. ONeill way off his game, no Theo, Warrington not yet. No Oberio. Choices are limited. So a punt it is. In Agyie and Kellman we don’t have forwards capable of dropping back a little deeper to pick up the ball and progress. Agyie does try. So all this dicking around is less about trying to open up space, teams too aware and well drilled for that, and more about us being clueless on the way to take it forward. Strangely the better teams like Posh and Wrexham allow us to play to our strengths. But we just can’t cope with the likes of Exeter. And it showed. And no more is the much maligned Ruel at the club to bang in the half chances. Also your favourite Jordan Graham is nowhere near yet up to speed. I’m cutting Jordan Graham a lot of slack at the moment, just back after injury. But he has been poor. I just hope that his injury won’t affect his game long term. Some are never quite the same after injury. We really need him to be good and Theo to come back strong. |
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