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Post by redintheface on Oct 3, 2024 15:23:12 GMT
Thinking completly out of the box here, well seems we are not going to go onto the market to get in a centre forward so why not try converting another of our players into playing the centre forward role, someone strong who can head the ball and hold the ball up. Been done many times in the past think of Malcolm McDonald converted from left back to centre forward and also Blackburns left back Fred Pickering converted from left back to a strong swashbuckling centre forward. Often as a little muse,I have wondered if we should give Beckles a little go as striker. He’s certainly as good as anyone we have at losing his man in the penalty area so it might just work!😆😆👍
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 3, 2024 15:28:50 GMT
Off hand I struggle to think of anyone I would prefer over RW. He is without doubt one of the finest managers we have had and I will be delighted if he stays with us for a long time. But above league 2 he is largely unproven. His previous forays into league 1 both ended in failure. One relegation with Oldham and second from bottom with Doncaster. Both very short stints. His time with us is a big deal for him to prove he can do it at our level. I believe he can and last season was a great start for sure. This season not so. He is responsible for the players we bring in, alongside Ling. Cannot bring in players then complain about their mistakes. Bringing them in perhaps was the mistake. Some of our newer players have yet to deliver. Point being good times, mistakes, poor play, great play is a collective responsibility that leads to results, results are poor. They need to improve, I’m sure they will. Relegation would be a disaster for the club in general and RW personally. Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Well many unexpected things can happen in football and life in general. Rule nothing out.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 3, 2024 15:33:24 GMT
Often as a little muse,I have wondered if we should give Beckles a little go as striker. He’s certainly as good as anyone we have at losing his man in the penalty area so it might just work!😆😆👍 Beccles up front, why not, he has scored some good goal and is good in the air, worth a punt but not that energetic as would be Cooper. But no way would Richie ever change into anything like KJ sort of tactics. He wont even play his wingers to play on their natural sides.
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Post by redshank on Oct 3, 2024 15:41:50 GMT
Cooper can do the silliest of things such as give the ball away near goal but then astound with his quality of winning the ball back from his mistake. RW does get our wingers to play either side during a match.I think that switching wingers during play is a good ploy. A great help to Orient would be a fit and well Theo Archibald,sorely missed is Mr 100%.
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Post by redshank on Oct 3, 2024 15:48:06 GMT
A Pratley type but younger is high praise indeed,he is very secure in midfield,what we have lacked in recent years. What do you class as “recent years” redshank. 2 or three,we have not really been secure in midfield have we.It is like a striker, a difficult position to fill as there are so many teams with a bigger purse than us.Not a criticism of any players but we sure have lacked some purpose there.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 3, 2024 15:48:20 GMT
Off hand I struggle to think of anyone I would prefer over RW. He is without doubt one of the finest managers we have had and I will be delighted if he stays with us for a long time. But above league 2 he is largely unproven. His previous forays into league 1 both ended in failure. One relegation with Oldham and second from bottom with Doncaster. Both very short stints. His time with us is a big deal for him to prove he can do it at our level. I believe he can and last season was a great start for sure. This season not so. He is responsible for the players we bring in, alongside Ling. Cannot bring in players then complain about their mistakes. Bringing them in perhaps was the mistake. Some of our newer players have yet to deliver. Point being good times, mistakes, poor play, great play is a collective responsibility that leads to results, results are poor. They need to improve, I’m sure they will. Relegation would be a disaster for the club in general and RW personally. Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Well many unexpected things can happen in football and life in general. Rule nothing out.
Despite some average games on balance, I just cannot see us ending bottom 4. Buffalobill highlighted one stat that is quite important, we are a hard team to score against. That is true. Look at goals conceded in the top 10/11 and we are OK. Goals scored is another thing, poor despite putting 4 past Stockport. But teams need to get the defence sorted and we have done that. So the opportunity for improvement is there, right in front of us you could say. We just need to score more goals and more often. Simple. 🤔
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Post by tattyfilarious on Oct 3, 2024 15:57:52 GMT
Think it was Brian Clough whose thoughts were to sort out the defence first, once done sort out the attack. Much like Jimmy Bloomfield did in 1969.
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Post by redshank on Oct 3, 2024 16:01:51 GMT
We play so well against the good teams and very poor against teams like ourselves and below.We expect a better performance and result from those teams as they represent our best means of securing points and our tenure of League 1. Performances such as Tuesday night and at Shrewsbury frustrate so much an evokes unwanted ire.
To Thor,what is the common mood in the dressing room when results like Shrewsbury and Exeter happen.
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Post by redshank on Oct 3, 2024 16:08:00 GMT
Think it was Brian Clough whose thoughts were to sort out the defence first, once done sort out the attack. Much like Jimmy Bloomfield did in 1969. I have posted this before;Jimmy Bloomfield said when he joined Orient that he knows he cannot have the best team in the division but we can have the fittest.That was said when we had the second worst piles of mud and sand after the pitch at the Baseball Ground,or maybe ours WAS the worst.I did hear on several occasions that when it rained the water came up through the pitch and of course on it.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 3, 2024 16:31:27 GMT
What do you class as “recent years” redshank. 2 or three,we have not really been secure in midfield have we.It is like a striker, a difficult position to fill as there are so many teams with a bigger purse than us.Not a criticism of any players but we sure have lacked some purpose there. Yeah, fair enough redshank. Clay, Hector , Pratley have all done ok but I think we’ve got better depth in there now. How we could do with someone like Vincelot or Dawson from a few years back in there though.
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 3, 2024 16:57:25 GMT
Often as a little muse,I have wondered if we should give Beckles a little go as striker. He’s certainly as good as anyone we have at losing his man in the penalty area so it might just work!😆😆👍 Cruel!
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Post by redintheface on Oct 3, 2024 17:28:06 GMT
He’s certainly as good as anyone we have at losing his man in the penalty area so it might just work!😆😆👍 Cruel! I prefer to call it harsh but fair!😆👍
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Post by Thor on Oct 3, 2024 20:49:02 GMT
Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Well many unexpected things can happen in football and life in general. Rule nothing out.
Despite some average games on balance, I just cannot see us ending bottom 4. Buffalobill highlighted one stat that is quite important, we are a hard team to score against. That is true. Look at goals conceded in the top 10/11 and we are OK. Goals scored is another thing, poor despite putting 4 past Stockport. But teams need to get the defence sorted and we have done that. So the opportunity for improvement is there, right in front of us you could say. We just need to score more goals and more often. Simple. 🤔 we won’t finish bottom four, never in a million years will that happen. Our football is top three easily, we’ve made mistakes which have cost us and we have not taken our chances which have cost us. Hopefully the mistakes are being eradicated and work on finishing is being stepped up. I’m looking forwards with positivity and walking to my office yesterday I was thinking how I can get to more games now Tuesdays are going to be difficult. Away games is the answer. So I’m looking at getting to as many as possible to cheer on the lads to victory!
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Post by Thor on Oct 3, 2024 21:02:14 GMT
We play so well against the good teams and very poor against teams like ourselves and below.We expect a better performance and result from those teams as they represent our best means of securing points and our tenure of League 1. Performances such as Tuesday night and at Shrewsbury frustrate so much an evokes unwanted ire. To Thor,what is the common mood in the dressing room when results like Shrewsbury and Exeter happen. Frustration as you know your good enough. If it continues then the mood deepens. I can’t speak for the other night, but watching more or less the rest, we’ve played well so our confidence is high. The collective group will want to put right the wrongs, improve and move forwards with confidence. It’s certainly not at the point where fingers are being pointed. The keepers will be separate from the players until there required and to the credit of Royce and his team and Hemmings have obviously worked on things which we’ve seen a marked improvement over the first games. Remember the keepers union are a special breed of player and are totally different as people to players, the contrast is amazing. Keepers are nuts! As a player you rise to the big occasion and the big players say premier league do it virtually all the time hence why they play at a higher level. So when we play Birmingham, the players want it massively to prove that they can compete and are good enough. We did compete and were arguably the better team. Then when we play Shrewsbury you rock up with an attitude of we only have to turn up to win and that mindset is so hard to change once it’s in place during that game. Instead of stepping up the gears we stayed flat which ultimately cost us.
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Post by howlingmad on Oct 4, 2024 8:23:38 GMT
A Pratley type but younger is high praise indeed,he is very secure in midfield,what we have lacked in recent years. What do you class as “recent years” redshank. 1960 to 1970.
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Post by mayland0s on Oct 4, 2024 9:02:33 GMT
Off hand I struggle to think of anyone I would prefer over RW. He is without doubt one of the finest managers we have had and I will be delighted if he stays with us for a long time. But above league 2 he is largely unproven. His previous forays into league 1 both ended in failure. One relegation with Oldham and second from bottom with Doncaster. Both very short stints. His time with us is a big deal for him to prove he can do it at our level. I believe he can and last season was a great start for sure. This season not so. He is responsible for the players we bring in, alongside Ling. Cannot bring in players then complain about their mistakes. Bringing them in perhaps was the mistake. Some of our newer players have yet to deliver. Point being good times, mistakes, poor play, great play is a collective responsibility that leads to results, results are poor. They need to improve, I’m sure they will. Relegation would be a disaster for the club in general and RW personally. Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Unfortunately I think he is trying too hard and too technical for a team with very 3-4 th division players . He is a bang on average manager and his record shows it . Of course RW will be OK with us but there are better managers in our division with similar or even smaller budgets ,doing just as well if not better .
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Post by eca on Oct 4, 2024 9:19:26 GMT
Clough I believe said football is a simple game
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Post by dohnut on Oct 4, 2024 10:57:17 GMT
Off hand I struggle to think of anyone I would prefer over RW. He is without doubt one of the finest managers we have had and I will be delighted if he stays with us for a long time. But above league 2 he is largely unproven. His previous forays into league 1 both ended in failure. One relegation with Oldham and second from bottom with Doncaster. Both very short stints. His time with us is a big deal for him to prove he can do it at our level. I believe he can and last season was a great start for sure. This season not so. He is responsible for the players we bring in, alongside Ling. Cannot bring in players then complain about their mistakes. Bringing them in perhaps was the mistake. Some of our newer players have yet to deliver. Point being good times, mistakes, poor play, great play is a collective responsibility that leads to results, results are poor. They need to improve, I’m sure they will. Relegation would be a disaster for the club in general and RW personally. Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Unfortunately I think he is trying too hard and too technical for a team with very 3-4 th division players . He is a bang on average manager and his record shows it . Of course RW will be OK with us but there are better managers in our division with similar or even smaller budgets ,doing just as well if not better . I think it’s harsh to describe him as bang average. Two promotions is quick time shows he has ability, achieving more than some others considered good enough to move up, Slade for example won nothing. But unproven at league 1 level, yet. Such things need to be earned and he is young. I agree with the too technical comment. When Davies took over I always felt his ideas were better than the players ability to match. JE took the same struggling bunch and made them champions. His style more suited to their ability. Ah, magic formula. My question is similar to yours but maybe kinder, are we demanding a too high a physical level than they can consistently achieve. My opinion, a resounding yes. Evidence - we fade badly in games and follow up a decent hours football with flat performances. Without sufficient quality in depth we just cannot cope with two games a week. They damn well should be, fit young men. But they can’t. We simply don’t have that extra few percent in depth quality that supports our work ethic. Mental fatigue for our better players rather than physical fatigue. Carrying a too heavy burden. Too many passengers along for the ride. Or not even starting the ride. If I was working my nuts off, I’d get pretty hacked off to see others just not contributing at all.
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Post by tommydark on Oct 4, 2024 11:40:58 GMT
We must look at our preparation to home games in greater detail. Why last season and thus far are we unable to break down defences and lose so many home games. Strategy of play not direct enough(sideways & backwards) allowing teams to regroup. It was said elsewhere RW bellows too many instructions as a match progresses. It only serves to confuse and hinder rather than help. I think RW needs to adapt more to a league one managerial role and be more subtle and cunning He must get the best out of the players we have most of whom are decent league one level.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 4, 2024 11:46:35 GMT
Off hand I struggle to think of anyone I would prefer over RW. He is without doubt one of the finest managers we have had and I will be delighted if he stays with us for a long time. But above league 2 he is largely unproven. His previous forays into league 1 both ended in failure. One relegation with Oldham and second from bottom with Doncaster. Both very short stints. His time with us is a big deal for him to prove he can do it at our level. I believe he can and last season was a great start for sure. This season not so. He is responsible for the players we bring in, alongside Ling. Cannot bring in players then complain about their mistakes. Bringing them in perhaps was the mistake. Some of our newer players have yet to deliver. Point being good times, mistakes, poor play, great play is a collective responsibility that leads to results, results are poor. They need to improve, I’m sure they will. Relegation would be a disaster for the club in general and RW personally. Strike 3 is not an option. It won’t happen. Unfortunately I think he is trying too hard and too technical for a team with very 3-4 th division players . He is a bang on average manager and his record shows it . Of course RW will be OK with us but there are better managers in our division with similar or even smaller budgets ,doing just as well if not better . You hit the nail on the head with your comment especially so '' I think he is trying too hard and too technical for a team with very 3-4 th division players '' I think he is very stubborn and inflexible when it comes to his tactics especially with his refusal to play more direct football using a target man type of forward, completely the opposite sort of manager to Justin who made the best of the players that he had available to him and played simple direct football and did not over complicate things.
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