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Post by Thor on Oct 6, 2024 7:27:51 GMT
Let’s discuss the elephant in the room. This is Lings remit with input from Richie. This transfer committee doesn’t seem to exist anymore or at least it’s a rubber stamping exercise.
I think it’s safe to say that for whatever reason and or who is to blame our summer recruitment wasn’t so good looking back now at the beginning of October.
Hemmings is not of the standard required for league one football
perkins is technically decent, but lazy in work rate and application. A waste of a loan at this point in time
JD over weight, unfit and whilst his feet look good to me, you can’t use them probably when carrying weight
warrington I like what I see with this player, maybe he’s not fit yet? There is defo a player in there.
Donley I like this lad, good vision, good passer, looks to play forwards, needs to up his work rate.
Keeley was decent at Brentford comfortable on the ball with his distribution. Need to see more of him
Currie so far so good and I’d like to think he will get even better as time progresses
Clare I wasn’t convinced of him at full back but could see good qualities. Been superb in midfield
Kelman he works hard, but is not the answer to the position. Too easy to defend against. Can’t score goals
For me 2 out of 9 have been good, Currie and Clare. Donley has the potential to be really good and I’d put him on the plus side rather than negative side. Can’t really moan at keeley as he’s had one game which he was decent in, but to make a judgement we need to see more of him. The rest have not yet hit the heights the team needs and or are just not good enough. That says it’s a poor window for us.
The elephant in the room is once again a striker. Kelman is not that player, the team was changed to accommodate him, the shape was changed too so he could get on the pitch. I did not think he was a good signing when he was rumoured to come, I didn’t think it good when it happened and I still don’t think it’s good business. He is not a natural finisher or goal getter, sure he will score a few, but not enough and not when you need him too. He’s a squad player, a back up, not a starter at this level. Time to play Dan A there permanently and give him time to settle, he can score goals and I think his nose has been put out of joint with kelman being preferred to him. I know it would pee me off if it were me, knowing I’m a better player.
Where do we go from here? Are we likely to get a striker in? Doubt it, will Jan be any better? Never in a million years. We are likely to get another loan of a kid who has zero experience and is neither ready nor equipped to deliver the commodity we need the most, goals.
This brings me to the January window. It’s has been proven time and again that Ling doesn’t like this window as he says you can do better business in the summer, where you get better players and value. Well Martin looking at the dross you’ve brought in I’d challenge that assertion from you. Now we look at The Jan window and for the last four windows he has been a disaster in the players he’s brought in. Has he met his level and can get no better? Do we need a fresh take on the DOF role? Cos for me recruitment is at the heart of it, yes he does quite a lot of other things and I’m sure he’s doing a good job, but as fans we see what players he ships in and they are questionable. How many have we sold on for money? None. How many loans have been decent? Not many.
so in closing I am not hopeful for the Jan window and our blind spot of a striker can partly be laid at Richie’s door, but in his defence he was calling for a striker in interviews and didn’t get one. Remember he said I need a forward and a centre midfield? Ling shipped in currie and keeley. Is ling not listening? Or Richie going rogue?
Nigel needs to get a grip and give Richie the player this team needs and it’s a proven centre forward. Do that and we will fly up the table. Leave it as is and we will be where I predicted 18th. Yes other areas need looking at like redtheface said yesterday, but we can’t cure all our ills in this window, but what we can do is fix the elephant in the room which is the striker. Teachers pet has to sit on the bench and be called upon when required. All managers have them and are blindsided by it, Kelman is Richies.
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Post by buffalobill on Oct 6, 2024 7:34:42 GMT
You forgot Ball.
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Post by oreo on Oct 6, 2024 7:39:10 GMT
I think our squad is good.
The two players I'm concerned over is our No.1 keeper (and this is so important) and DJ (he's unfit).
Aren't we midfield heavy though with Clare, Ball, Donnelly, Warrington, Prately, Brown, Oberio and Galbraith?
Maybe I'd sacrifice DJ (if we can't play him) for another attacking player like Galbraith.
I think Galbraith is quality. He reminds me of Modric with his style.
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Post by mayland0s on Oct 6, 2024 7:49:17 GMT
Let’s discuss the elephant in the room. This is Lings remit with input from Richie. This transfer committee doesn’t seem to exist anymore or at least it’s a rubber stamping exercise. I think it’s safe to say that for whatever reason and or who is to blame our summer recruitment wasn’t so good looking back now at the beginning of October. Hemmings is not of the standard required for league one football perkins is technically decent, but lazy in work rate and application. A waste of a loan at this point in time JD over weight, unfit and whilst his feet look good to me, you can’t use them probably when carrying weight warrington I like what I see with this player, maybe he’s not fit yet? There is defo a player in there. Donley I like this lad, good vision, good passer, looks to play forwards, needs to up his work rate. Keeley was decent at Brentford comfortable on the ball with his distribution. Need to see more of him Currie so far so good and I’d like to think he will get even better as time progresses Clare I wasn’t convinced of him at full back but could see good qualities. Been superb in midfield Kelman he works hard, but is not the answer to the position. Too easy to defend against. Can’t score goals For me 2 out of 9 have been good, Currie and Clare. Donley has the potential to be really good and I’d put him on the plus side rather than negative side. Can’t really moan at keeley as he’s had one game which he was decent in, but to make a judgement we need to see more of him. The rest have not yet hit the heights the team needs and or are just not good enough. That says it’s a poor window for us. The elephant in the room is once again a striker. Kelman is not that player, the team was changed to accommodate him, the shape was changed too so he could get on the pitch. I did not think he was a good signing when he was rumoured to come, I didn’t think it good when it happened and I still don’t think it’s good business. He is not a natural finisher or goal getter, sure he will score a few, but not enough and not when you need him too. He’s a squad player, a back up, not a starter at this level. Time to play Dan A there permanently and give him time to settle, he can score goals and I think his nose has been put out of joint with kelman being preferred to him. I know it would pee me off if it were me, knowing I’m a better player. Where do we go from here? Are we likely to get a striker in? Doubt it, will Jan be any better? Never in a million years. We are likely to get another loan of a kid who has zero experience and is neither ready nor equipped to deliver the commodity we need the most, goals. This brings me to the January window. It’s has been proven time and again that Ling doesn’t like this window as he says you can do better business in the summer, where you get better players and value. Well Martin looking at the dross you’ve brought in I’d challenge that assertion from you. Now we look at The Jan window and for the last four windows he has been a disaster in the players he’s brought in. Has he met his level and can get no better? Do we need a fresh take on the DOF role? Cos for me recruitment is at the heart of it, yes he does quite a lot of other things and I’m sure he’s doing a good job, but as fans we see what players he ships in and they are questionable. How many have we sold on for money? None. How many loans have been decent? Not many. so in closing I am not hopeful for the Jan window and our blind spot of a striker can partly be laid at Richie’s door, but in his defence he was calling for a striker in interviews and didn’t get one. Remember he said I need a forward and a centre midfield? Ling shipped in currie and keeley. Is ling not listening? Or Richie going rogue? Nigel needs to get a grip and give Richie the player this team needs and it’s a proven centre forward. Do that and we will fly up the table. Leave it as is and we will be where I predicted 18th. Yes other areas need looking at like redtheface said yesterday, but we can’t cure all our ills in this window, but what we can do is fix the elephant in the room which is the striker. Teachers pet has to sit on the bench and be called upon when required. All managers have them and are blindsided by it, Kelman is Richies. Sometimes you write utter rubbish in loads of word . The assertion that Ling is Manley to blame is crap . You talk about about Kelly being a good keeper ,well he might be but it’s RW that picks Hemmings . You talk about Dan being better up front but it’s RW who picks Kelman. In fact it’s RW who selects the tactics and the players HE wants for HIS system . The buck stops with RW and his coaching team . |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 6, 2024 8:05:27 GMT
I would suggest that the “ elephant in the room “ is actually the size of the budget that is available to sign players. The club has been at great pains to point out that it’s increased the budget by 10% this season but that’s irrelevant if others have made increases of the same or greater magnitude. Obviously we have to respect the fact that we can only pay what we can afford but it must restrict Ling’s ability to operate sucessfully in an overheated transfer market and RW is consistently tasked with making a silk purse out of a sows ear.
That said, I agree with mayland0s- RW picks the team and style of play - so as ever, the buck will stop with the manager and the results he gets.
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Post by tommydark on Oct 6, 2024 8:38:08 GMT
I'm a age is but a number person.
We need a veteran keeper to shout at the defence and a veteran striker who can still put the ball away a bit.
I thought this pre season,but now its a must do IMO.
Send back some loanees or send Sweeney & Warrington on loan soon as window opens.
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Post by SW O on Oct 6, 2024 8:52:51 GMT
Yes, a very mixed bag of recruits, but we do have existing good players. A match fit Graham and (if ever) Archibald will make a difference. Sweeney and Obiero have a lot of potential but will never get anywhere if they're not picked. Olly O'Neill looked a star last season but hasn't yet come anywhere near what looked so good then. And Happe absent for the last 2 matches contributed to the defeats. Agyei up front is an obvious choice (and we miss Shaq Forde).
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Post by redintheface on Oct 6, 2024 9:43:58 GMT
Yes, a very mixed bag of recruits, but we do have existing good players. A match fit Graham and (if ever) Archibald will make a difference. Sweeney and Obiero have a lot of potential but will never get anywhere if they're not picked. Olly O'Neill looked a star last season but hasn't yet come anywhere near what looked so good then. And Happe absent for the last 2 matches contributed to the defeats. Agyei up front is an obvious choice (and we miss Shaq Forde). I agree in part but I think it’s unrealistic to expect Graham & Archibald to contribute a great deal given their injury issues. I also disagree Sweeney has a lot of potential - very average imho and has been surpassed by Currie. As you say Agyei up front is a no brainier. Whatever people make of the individuals who have been brought in so far, it’s difficult to argue that they have improved the squad overall when compared to what we had on the books last season. |
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Post by zimo on Oct 6, 2024 11:08:14 GMT
I think our squad is good. The two players I'm concerned over is our No.1 keeper (and this is so important) and DJ (he's unfit). Aren't we midfield heavy though with Clare, Ball, Donnelly, Warrington, Prately, Brown, Oberio and Galbraith? Maybe I'd sacrifice DJ (if we can't play him) for another attacking player like Galbraith. I think Galbraith is quality. He reminds me of Modric with his style. At the bare minimum you must be concerned about Perkins |
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Post by zimo on Oct 6, 2024 11:11:31 GMT
The recruitment has been beyond dreadful this summer, a total shocker. The only redeeming signings have been Ball and Currie, both of which occurred after witnessing the first few games with our existing squad, and I’d say both were panic signings, albeit so far decent ones.
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Post by osoldguy on Oct 6, 2024 11:52:25 GMT
The recruitment has been beyond dreadful this summer, a total shocker. The only redeeming signings have been Ball and Currie, both of which occurred after witnessing the first few games with our existing squad, and I’d say both were panic signings, albeit so far decent ones. Until the O's are serious about scouting in the non league and building up their scouting system things will not improve. This with the what appears to be revenue streams reducing with investment down if you believe the reports on this board. By investing in unearthing raw talent rather than paying extortionate fees to agents to find players and relying on media sent in on players wanting a trial. By going and viewing live games it would be far more beneficial to outlay financially in employing more scouts than the former option. It sounds like an old record but London is awash with non league teams at every level of the pyramid. What I don't see anymore is another Ian Wright or Jamie Vardie being discovered. The Prem and Championship clubs every year discard players from their Academies with some players disgruntled and disillusioned with the game and give up. But some end up in non league to play on and prove people wrong about their ability. These are the players that O's should be targeting. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 6, 2024 12:04:20 GMT
Yes, a very mixed bag of recruits, but we do have existing good players. A match fit Graham and (if ever) Archibald will make a difference. Sweeney and Obiero have a lot of potential but will never get anywhere if they're not picked. Olly O'Neill looked a star last season but hasn't yet come anywhere near what looked so good then. And Happe absent for the last 2 matches contributed to the defeats. Agyei up front is an obvious choice (and we miss Shaq Forde). But we dont miss Ruel then, top scorer last season and a consistent scorer for Os in the two previous season's ? Yes agree we also miss Forde but he was a loan player who we perhaps could not afford to buy this season so Bristol Rovers took him and Ruel and Forde . Also Forde scored yesterday in Rovers win.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 6, 2024 12:07:43 GMT
The recruitment has been beyond dreadful this summer, a total shocker. The only redeeming signings have been Ball and Currie, both of which occurred after witnessing the first few games with our existing squad, and I’d say both were panic signings, albeit so far decent ones. Until the O's are serious about scouting in the non league and building up their scouting system things will not improve. This with the what appears to be revenue streams reducing with investment down if you believe the reports on this board. By investing in unearthing raw talent rather than paying extortionate fees to agents to find players and relying on media sent in on players wanting a trial. By going and viewing live games it would be far more beneficial to outlay financially in employing more scouts than the former option. It sounds like an old record but London is awash with non league teams at every level of the pyramid. What I don't see anymore is another Ian Wright or Jamie Vardie being discovered. The Prem and Championship clubs every year discard players from their Academies with some players disgruntled and disillusioned with the game and give up. But some end up in non league to play on and prove people wrong about their ability. These are the players that O's should be targeting. Good thinking and good scouting when we got Bonne for peanuts from Colchester. Plenty of talent that could be polished up who are playing in the lower leagues. |
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Post by SW O on Oct 6, 2024 12:10:55 GMT
Yes, a very mixed bag of recruits, but we do have existing good players. A match fit Graham and (if ever) Archibald will make a difference. Sweeney and Obiero have a lot of potential but will never get anywhere if they're not picked. Olly O'Neill looked a star last season but hasn't yet come anywhere near what looked so good then. And Happe absent for the last 2 matches contributed to the defeats. Agyei up front is an obvious choice (and we miss Shaq Forde). But we dont miss Ruel then, top scorer last season and a consistent scorer for Os in the two previous season's ? Yes agree we also miss Forde but he was a loan player who we perhaps could not afford to buy this season so Bristol Rovers took him and Ruel and Forde scored yesterday in Rovers win.
Yes, of course we miss Ruel, but he made a sideways move of his own volition. Budget wouldn't allow us to buy Forde - not to mention Idris... |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 6, 2024 12:14:19 GMT
Yes, a very mixed bag of recruits, but we do have existing good players. A match fit Graham and (if ever) Archibald will make a difference. Sweeney and Obiero have a lot of potential but will never get anywhere if they're not picked. Olly O'Neill looked a star last season but hasn't yet come anywhere near what looked so good then. And Happe absent for the last 2 matches contributed to the defeats. Agyei up front is an obvious choice (and we miss Shaq Forde). ''A match fit Graham and (if ever) Archibald will make a difference'' Long odds on injury hit Graham making much of an impact this season and Theo could quite likely miss nearly all of this season as he battles to get over his serious knee injury. If he does come back later on, then the rest of the season will most likely be a case of Theo trying to get match fit.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 6, 2024 17:01:43 GMT
The basics of what Thor said. 2 from 9 good. Well 3 from 10 including Ball is right. Bar Clare, Currie and Ball anyone want offer glowing reports on the others? More than that we have contrived to move out Moncur and Pigott. Neither have been replaced with improvements. We give Pratley another year, no issue with that, but don’t play him. What’s that all about?
Kelman is poor. In the list of the top 30 scorers, he is on that list with 3, his conversion rate is the worst. 10%, (Galbraith is 33%). He gets chances, just don’t put enough away. His misses are just as significant as Hemming cockups.
I really struggle to see our summer business as other than very poor. Mistakes at the back, missed chances up front. Struggling at the bottom.
Richie needs to work overtime and galvanise this lot before the bottom group gets even more set adrift than it already is. Time is on our side and we have a good manager who is not stupid. But his last two post match reports show signs of let’s say frustration.
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Post by duvb on Oct 7, 2024 10:24:01 GMT
I would suggest that the “ elephant in the room “ is actually the size of the budget that is available to sign players. The club has been at great pains to point out that it’s increased the budget by 10% this season but that’s irrelevant if others have made increases of the same or greater magnitude. Obviously we have to respect the fact that we can only pay what we can afford but it must restrict Ling’s ability to operate sucessfully in an overheated transfer market and RW is consistently tasked with making a silk purse out of a sows ear. That said, I agree with mayland0s- RW picks the team and style of play - so as ever, the buck will stop with the manager and the results he gets. Agreed |
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Post by redshank on Oct 7, 2024 10:35:07 GMT
Let’s discuss the elephant in the room. This is Lings remit with input from Richie. This transfer committee doesn’t seem to exist anymore or at least it’s a rubber stamping exercise. I think it’s safe to say that for whatever reason and or who is to blame our summer recruitment wasn’t so good looking back now at the beginning of October. Hemmings is not of the standard required for league one football perkins is technically decent, but lazy in work rate and application. A waste of a loan at this point in time JD over weight, unfit and whilst his feet look good to me, you can’t use them probably when carrying weight warrington I like what I see with this player, maybe he’s not fit yet? There is defo a player in there. Donley I like this lad, good vision, good passer, looks to play forwards, needs to up his work rate. Keeley was decent at Brentford comfortable on the ball with his distribution. Need to see more of him Currie so far so good and I’d like to think he will get even better as time progresses Clare I wasn’t convinced of him at full back but could see good qualities. Been superb in midfield Kelman he works hard, but is not the answer to the position. Too easy to defend against. Can’t score goals For me 2 out of 9 have been good, Currie and Clare. Donley has the potential to be really good and I’d put him on the plus side rather than negative side. Can’t really moan at keeley as he’s had one game which he was decent in, but to make a judgement we need to see more of him. The rest have not yet hit the heights the team needs and or are just not good enough. That says it’s a poor window for us. The elephant in the room is once again a striker. Kelman is not that player, the team was changed to accommodate him, the shape was changed too so he could get on the pitch. I did not think he was a good signing when he was rumoured to come, I didn’t think it good when it happened and I still don’t think it’s good business. He is not a natural finisher or goal getter, sure he will score a few, but not enough and not when you need him too. He’s a squad player, a back up, not a starter at this level. Time to play Dan A there permanently and give him time to settle, he can score goals and I think his nose has been put out of joint with kelman being preferred to him. I know it would pee me off if it were me, knowing I’m a better player. Where do we go from here? Are we likely to get a striker in? Doubt it, will Jan be any better? Never in a million years. We are likely to get another loan of a kid who has zero experience and is neither ready nor equipped to deliver the commodity we need the most, goals. This brings me to the January window. It’s has been proven time and again that Ling doesn’t like this window as he says you can do better business in the summer, where you get better players and value. Well Martin looking at the dross you’ve brought in I’d challenge that assertion from you. Now we look at The Jan window and for the last four windows he has been a disaster in the players he’s brought in. Has he met his level and can get no better? Do we need a fresh take on the DOF role? Cos for me recruitment is at the heart of it, yes he does quite a lot of other things and I’m sure he’s doing a good job, but as fans we see what players he ships in and they are questionable. How many have we sold on for money? None. How many loans have been decent? Not many. so in closing I am not hopeful for the Jan window and our blind spot of a striker can partly be laid at Richie’s door, but in his defence he was calling for a striker in interviews and didn’t get one. Remember he said I need a forward and a centre midfield? Ling shipped in currie and keeley. Is ling not listening? Or Richie going rogue? Nigel needs to get a grip and give Richie the player this team needs and it’s a proven centre forward. Do that and we will fly up the table. Leave it as is and we will be where I predicted 18th. Yes other areas need looking at like redtheface said yesterday, but we can’t cure all our ills in this window, but what we can do is fix the elephant in the room which is the striker. Teachers pet has to sit on the bench and be called upon when required. All managers have them and are blindsided by it, Kelman is Richies. Today at 11,30 am redshank said. An understandable gripe with excellent comments.I am an easy going type of geezer and want us to stay in this league as the next step up is the biggun.The dreadful fear of the r word haunts us all and also embarrasses for we know the glee of others will be upon us. We are now in a desperate state and have to have a four game winning streak for the status quo and that at this stage of the season seems beyond us.The answer apart from those wins is I know not what,I will leave that to the better football minds rather than the mind of a romantic.Too much poetry and Beethoven I suppose. |
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Post by Thor on Oct 7, 2024 11:03:44 GMT
I would suggest that the “ elephant in the room “ is actually the size of the budget that is available to sign players. The club has been at great pains to point out that it’s increased the budget by 10% this season but that’s irrelevant if others have made increases of the same or greater magnitude. Obviously we have to respect the fact that we can only pay what we can afford but it must restrict Ling’s ability to operate sucessfully in an overheated transfer market and RW is consistently tasked with making a silk purse out of a sows ear. That said, I agree with mayland0s- RW picks the team and style of play - so as ever, the buck will stop with the manager and the results he gets. Taylor confirmed on the outlook podcast that the budget had actually increased 18% and our loss this financial year will exceed £4m. The owners are committed to the cause and the explanation that clubs are spending beyond their means now in advance of the changes in laws applicable to losses. Clubs maybe hoping to climb out if the league they are in now bypassing the striker controls which are imminent. |
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Post by redshank on Oct 7, 2024 11:41:12 GMT
Wonder what the total loss is that the board are bearing.
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