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Post by tommydark on Oct 10, 2024 8:49:49 GMT
Just checked it was DEC 1976 best and mooro at our olace 0-0
The return we lost 6-1 and were 6-0 down at half time!!!
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Post by Thor on Oct 10, 2024 9:24:56 GMT
I was lucky enough to see him play live, the whole 90 minutes. Like most players you get a few moments of brilliance in amongst a routine game. I tend to ignore clips. Seen players at Orient whose snapshots a great strikers. They are not. In truth a few moments of brilliance not representative. Was he great? Of course he was especially on some of the pitches then. Would he be great today? Probably even better. Would the systems, work rate ethic and discipline today have impacted his game now? Absolutely. Was he the best? I doubt it. I look at top flight football today and the skill levels of players is off the chart. Way beyond years ago. The United team that won the European cup would be mid-table Premiership today at best. Nostalgia overtakes reason. Training, kit, pitches, diet, science has moved on and players ability with it. I struggle to think of any sport that has not improved over the years. The excitement of the 4 minute mile, now a routine target for good club runners. Football is no different. Streets ahead of past years. Of course great players of yesteryear are likely to be great players today with all the benefits. But you just cannot compare players as they were then with players as they are now. The game is now so much better technically. Perhaps not as exciting, but technically better. Problem is myth overtakes reality. Stories grow. Sporting Gods are born. Did he always beat his man, lose a tackle, make a bad pass, miss a sitter, have a shocking game. We all know the answers. He was good, very good. But reputation and stories grow stronger each time they are told. A great in one era will be a great in another era. Great sportsmen are wired differently, hunger, desire and will are defined in the individual and you can't teach anyone of any of the qualities I mention. I believe your born with those qualities, they are not made or taught. |
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Post by mujtahido on Oct 10, 2024 9:49:23 GMT
Impossible to say who the greatest players of all time were you just have to admire and enjoy great footballers of the era you are watching.As a young boy i was always mesmerised by watching Johan Cruyff the great Dutch player of the 70s and my dad took me to Wembley to watch them totally outclass England 2-0 in 1976/77 with Cruyff pulling all the strings.The only time I've ever seen an English crowd boo their team off and give the opposition a standing ovation.Then there was Maradona still in my opinion the greatest player
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Post by Thor on Oct 10, 2024 9:51:23 GMT
Impossible to say who the greatest players of all time were you just have to admire and enjoy great footballers of the era you are watching.As a young boy i was always mesmerised by watching Johan Cruyff the great Dutch player of the 70s and my dad took me to Wembley to watch them totally outclass England 2-0 in 1976/77 with Cruyff pulling all the strings.The only time I've ever seen an English crowd boo their team off and give the opposition a standing ovation.Then there was Maradona still in my opinion the greatest player Maradona is the best I've seen in my lifetime. So I agree with you. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 10, 2024 10:33:57 GMT
Impossible to say who the greatest players of all time were you just have to admire and enjoy great footballers of the era you are watching.As a young boy i was always mesmerised by watching Johan Cruyff the great Dutch player of the 70s and my dad took me to Wembley to watch them totally outclass England 2-0 in 1976/77 with Cruyff pulling all the strings.The only time I've ever seen an English crowd boo their team off and give the opposition a standing ovation.Then there was Maradona still in my opinion the greatest player Maradona is the best I've seen in my lifetime. So I agree with you. Shame Maradona had to cheat so much plus his cocaine and alcohol addictions. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 10, 2024 10:37:22 GMT
George Best famously said I have spent a fortune on booze and i have spent a fortune on women.The rest i just wasted Stolen from W.C. Fields, I believe: “I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted.” ― W.C. Fields |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2024 11:20:27 GMT
I was lucky enough to see him play live, the whole 90 minutes. Like most players you get a few moments of brilliance in amongst a routine game. I tend to ignore clips. Seen players at Orient whose snapshots a great strikers. They are not. In truth a few moments of brilliance not representative. Was he great? Of course he was especially on some of the pitches then. Would he be great today? Probably even better. Would the systems, work rate ethic and discipline today have impacted his game now? Absolutely. Was he the best? I doubt it. I look at top flight football today and the skill levels of players is off the chart. Way beyond years ago. The United team that won the European cup would be mid-table Premiership today at best. Nostalgia overtakes reason. Training, kit, pitches, diet, science has moved on and players ability with it. I struggle to think of any sport that has not improved over the years. The excitement of the 4 minute mile, now a routine target for good club runners. Football is no different. Streets ahead of past years. Of course great players of yesteryear are likely to be great players today with all the benefits. But you just cannot compare players as they were then with players as they are now. The game is now so much better technically. Perhaps not as exciting, but technically better. Problem is myth overtakes reality. Stories grow. Sporting Gods are born. Did he always beat his man, lose a tackle, make a bad pass, miss a sitter, have a shocking game. We all know the answers. He was good, very good. But reputation and stories grow stronger each time they are told. A great in one era will be a great in another era. Great sportsmen are wired differently, hunger, desire and will are defined in the individual and you can't teach anyone of any of the qualities I mention. I believe your born with those qualities, they are not made or taught. A great will be that irrespective of what era they were born. Why I always say as they were then. Today they would be just as good, even better. But I absolutely believe that in any sport, good coaching can develop natural talent even further. In the case of elite sport so will diet, science and discipline. Almost impossible to compare footballers of different eras for so many reasons, not just their ability but the quality of those they competed against. Even today we see poorer football nations being so much harder to beat than years ago. Coaching and technical knowledge too. I'm happy just to enjoy them for their skills. Sensible comparison is near impossible. |
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Post by redshank on Oct 10, 2024 12:17:39 GMT
Just checked it was DEC 1976 best and mooro at our olace 0-0 The return we lost 6-1 and were 6-0 down at half time!!! Won the second half though;😁 |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2024 12:46:02 GMT
Just checked it was DEC 1976 best and mooro at our olace 0-0 The return we lost 6-1 and were 6-0 down at half time!!! Won the second half though;😁 We did indeed win the second half. Was there. 6-0 down in pretty quick time. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 10, 2024 13:56:00 GMT
Won the second half though;😁 We did indeed win the second half. Was there. 6-0 down in pretty quick time. At 6-0 up Fulham had every right to ease off in the second half ! |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 10, 2024 13:59:47 GMT
Just checked it was DEC 1976 best and mooro at our olace 0-0 The return we lost 6-1 and were 6-0 down at half time!!! 11 Dec 1976 Orient v Fulham D 0-0 League Division Two 07 May 1977 Fulham v Orient W 6-1 League Division Two
Fulham 6 v 1 Leyton Orient Former England captain Bobby Moores last match
Former England captain Bobby Moores last match. Bobby showed off the World Cup trophy to the fans before the match.
7th May 1977. © Mirrorpix
Click the link to see the photo !
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Post by Thor on Oct 12, 2024 21:06:38 GMT
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Post by Thor on Oct 12, 2024 21:07:22 GMT
As it says in the video.
What Zidane could do with a ball, Maradona could do it with an orange!
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Post by Thor on Oct 12, 2024 21:12:37 GMT
No protection from refs, everyone trying to hack him down, which was fair game back then. No one today is even close to Maradonna.
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Post by eca on Oct 12, 2024 21:26:32 GMT
He is a amazing if the clips are in Italy or his home country it’s even more unbelievable as both those countries have world class defenders
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Post by osoldest on Oct 15, 2024 17:30:15 GMT
Of course todays sportsman are trained better , have dietitians looking after them and are more tactically aware, but every now and then there happens along someone who is so skillfull that they transcend any era.
Muhammad Ali would have been a great in any era , and George Best was so uniquely talented that he would have left today’s defenders for dead. He had everything, pace , skill, amazing dribbling ability, strength, courage, and an eye for goal.
In my opinion the greatest ever, better than pele, marradona, and messi.
He didn’t have the protection todays players get , and he didn’t play on year round perfect pitches , but just look at those clips and marvel at his skills.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 15, 2024 18:21:19 GMT
Of course todays sportsman are trained better , have dietitians looking after them and are more tactically aware, but every now and then there happens along someone who is so skillfull that they transcend any era. Muhammad Ali would have been a great in any era , and George Best was so uniquely talented that he would have left today’s defenders for dead. He had everything, pace , skill, amazing dribbling ability, strength, courage, and an eye for goal. In my opinion the greatest ever, better than pele, marradona, and messi. He didn’t have the protection todays players get , and he didn’t play on year round perfect pitches , but just look at those clips and marvel at his skills. Your comments about George Best agree and great players like Johan Cruyff George Best and Pele never resorted to cheating when playing football, same cannot be said about Maradona. |
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Post by Thor on Oct 15, 2024 20:30:36 GMT
They say there is a fine line between madness and genius and of the names you mention DR I guess Maradonna walked that line closer than the others.
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Post by Thor on Oct 16, 2024 18:32:35 GMT
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Post by bigron on Oct 16, 2024 18:56:06 GMT
Best was undoubtedly a great player , he was also a mug who wasted the 2nd chance he was given 🤔
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