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Post by redshank on Oct 13, 2024 10:40:07 GMT
So much politics in sport now fisch that we don't know about. What dictats will apply if you fail that criteria,who knows. With the game going the way it currently is, at some point in the future there will have to be reckoning because the infrastructure for supporting 72 full time professional clubs in the EFL is creaking. Maybe regionalisation, maybe smaller squads, maybe more semi pro’s or a return to more traditional levels of staffing behind the scenes - who knows? It certainly looks to me as though players wage demands are unlikely to reduce in the short term so the practice of slowly killing the goose that lays the golden egg will continue unabated. Cannot disagree with that sadly.I do think football in the lower leagues is being marginalised by the big boys and clubs such as ours will not endure and may end up like National League South clubs and perhaps a play off between NLS and NLN will get the one place in the Championship or something of that order. |
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Post by redshank on Oct 13, 2024 10:41:33 GMT
Be fair red,the other teams fight hard for those points,as we do. I’m being perfectly fair - you think we have not been the main contributors to our own downfall so far this season ? By play yes,but not by deliberate act. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 13, 2024 11:02:38 GMT
I’m being perfectly fair - you think we have not been the main contributors to our own downfall so far this season ? By play yes,but not by deliberate act. Yes I agree. |
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Post by mayland0s on Oct 13, 2024 13:22:42 GMT
So much politics in sport now fisch that we don't know about. What dictats will apply if you fail that criteria,who knows. With the game going the way it currently is, at some point in the future there will have to be reckoning because the infrastructure for supporting 72 full time professional clubs in the EFL is creaking. Maybe regionalisation, maybe smaller squads, maybe more semi pro’s or a return to more traditional levels of staffing behind the scenes - who knows? It certainly looks to me as though players wage demands are unlikely to reduce in the short term so the practice of slowly killing the goose that lays the golden egg will continue unabated. Our non playing staff expenses must be huge . What happened to the days when we had a manager and coach ? |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 13, 2024 13:23:54 GMT
With the game going the way it currently is, at some point in the future there will have to be reckoning because the infrastructure for supporting 72 full time professional clubs in the EFL is creaking. Maybe regionalisation, maybe smaller squads, maybe more semi pro’s or a return to more traditional levels of staffing behind the scenes - who knows? It certainly looks to me as though players wage demands are unlikely to reduce in the short term so the practice of slowly killing the goose that lays the golden egg will continue unabated. Our non playing staff expenses must be huge . What happened to the days when we had a manager and coach ? Nowadays our non playing staff need a coach to get from place to place!😆 |
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Post by Fisch on Oct 13, 2024 18:16:35 GMT
The girls travelled to Hutton today by coach. I guess McCaffreys paid for it.
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Post by orientsc on Oct 13, 2024 18:34:08 GMT
The girls travelled to Hutton today by coach. I guess McCaffreys paid for it. Maybe they know some people to help the club in general. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 15, 2024 11:38:12 GMT
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Post by mrb on Oct 15, 2024 11:52:26 GMT
And that is why we really don’t know what going on..Two different takes on things |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 15, 2024 11:53:51 GMT
And that is why we really don’t know what going on..Two different takes on things Compounded by the fact that NT says he has been discussing the “ process” with Barry Hearn! 😦 |
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Post by Thor on Oct 15, 2024 12:30:12 GMT
And that is why we really don’t know what going on..Two different takes on things Compounded by the fact that NT says he has been discussing the “ process” with Barry Hearn! 😦 I would have spoken to him as well. Despite what I or others may think about him, he would have knowledge that can be gained, lessons that can be learnt, at the end of the day he is a serious businessman. We would be foolish to not seek out what went wrong, what could be improved in the process. Its sound business sense to me. |
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Post by Thor on Oct 15, 2024 12:37:35 GMT
It's all positive like I said when this story broke recently. We have serious business people owning and running our club. They have knowledge and skills which we have undoubtedly benefitted from and to reach the levels which are being spoken about it is entirely sensible and right to see investment where and when it is due.
For us to move grounds I've read and heard £100m that ain't down the back of someone's sofa! It's a massive investment in the future. Players need to be added to that which allows us to get to the championship and be competitive with one eye on getting to the Premier league.
Now for me the return on investment works in two ways. Build a new ground, develop the land around it to pay it back whilst investment in the team continues. If the on pitch sucess arrives and we become a premier league team then the value of the business will rocket and that's the second part of their return. I dare say Nigel and Kent will want to remain on board to get their return on investment and who would begrudge them that? Plus we have people who really care about the club on board still.
I only see positives and I look to the future with excitement of what could be. One day my team playing at the top level. We all dream our dreams and I believe this one can be achieved in my lifetime.
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Post by tommydark on Oct 15, 2024 13:03:22 GMT
One question I'd like to ask is does a fans spokesperson attend orient board meetings these days?
I'd think not myself as the club does like a air of secrecy,and feed fans half truths.
Unless we find 10+ wealthy people with 10m each to gamble on
Us,a new ground won't happen.
If the local council is skint maybe buying the freehold here is the best option.
There's some scope to enlarge another 5 thousand,surely enough as more and more people watch our games on TV these days.
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Post by mayland0s on Oct 15, 2024 15:29:47 GMT
And that is why we really don’t know what going on..Two different takes on things The trouble is mrb is a social media believer and I think like a lot of others you believe what you want to believe . |
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Post by mrb on Oct 15, 2024 15:32:06 GMT
And that is why we really don’t know what going on..Two different takes on things The trouble is mrb is a social media believer and I think like a lot of others you believe what you want to believe . Possibly..But they are so many different versions of things..So what do we believe? And by the way my only social media outlet is this and the other forum.Im neither on Facebook,TikTok or whatever the others are.And what I hear from others |
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Post by mrb on Oct 15, 2024 15:33:51 GMT
And that is why we really don’t know what going on..Two different takes on things The trouble is mrb is a social media believer and I think like a lot of others you believe what you want to believe . What do you believe maylandO? |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 15, 2024 16:29:46 GMT
The trouble is mrb is a social media believer and I think like a lot of others you believe what you want to believe . Possibly..But they are so many different versions of things..So what do we believe? And by the way my only social media outlet is this and the other forum.Im neither on Facebook,TikTok or whatever the others are.And what I hear from others One clear disparity between NT and Marshall Taylor interview mrb was the issue of increased budget. Nigel repeated again that it had increased by 10% whereas last week Marshall Taylor quoted 18% if memory serves! As you say a different versions of events doesn’t help. |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 15, 2024 18:05:22 GMT
£100m for a new ground sounds a lot. But it’s an investment not wasting money, it’s converting £100m to an asset worth many millions now and probably more in the future. Investors work long term and a ground/land is not too high risk in the long term. Even better if the stadium has an opportunity to earn regularly. Conference facilities, hotel, functions and so on. And in a growing part of London. So what gives investors more ROI? This sounds like a good opportunity.
Good to hear progress is being made on the ground front. So sensible to pass the investor negotiations to be managed by professionals in that area.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 15, 2024 18:07:35 GMT
Possibly..But they are so many different versions of things..So what do we believe? And by the way my only social media outlet is this and the other forum.Im neither on Facebook,TikTok or whatever the others are.And what I hear from others One clear disparity between NT and Marshall Taylor interview mrb was the issue of increased budget. Nigel repeated again that it had increased by 10% whereas last week Marshall Taylor quoted 18% if memory serves! As you say a different versions of events doesn’t help. When talking about percentages it needs to be clear exactly what those increases apply to. For example 10% when looking at the whole playing staff but 18% for money put aside for new players. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 15, 2024 18:12:50 GMT
One clear disparity between NT and Marshall Taylor interview mrb was the issue of increased budget. Nigel repeated again that it had increased by 10% whereas last week Marshall Taylor quoted 18% if memory serves! As you say a different versions of events doesn’t help. When talking about percentages it needs to be clear exactly what those increases apply to. For example 10% when looking at the whole playing staff but 18% for money put aside for new players. Fair point. I believe both Nigel & Marshall referred to the “ playing budget” but you are right that they could be comparing apples and pears as they say. Still illustrates the point about ambiguity in the messaging though. |
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