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Post by MungO on Feb 19, 2014 20:41:54 GMT
Been having a think about this today. Jakupovic didn't have much to do yesterday, but still managed to look classy, confident, composed and pulled off two fantastic saves (which could've meant it ended a draw i suppose).
The last person I can remember at Brisbane Road that had his confidence and made it look this easy was a certain Paul-Jose M'Poku. Who now seems firmly established with Standard Liege at just 21 years of age.
Look how easy he made it look (bearing in mind it he was practically a child at 18 years of age) against a very brute force Droylsden team in the freezing cold.
1. Won the penalty for the first.
2. Got the man sent off.
3. 2 great bits of skill and vision before setting up Tehoue.
4. Ghosted past two to score the third.
5. Teased two players to bits before getting decapitated by a third and getting him sent off.
6. More silky sublime skill before setting up Tehoue for the fifth. He practically walks it through the defence.
Anyway.. is Jakupovic World Class? Or is he just THAT much better than the rest of our team?
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Post by harlowo on Feb 19, 2014 20:49:51 GMT
No not world class but he is very good and definitely installs confidence into the team and the supporters.
The second save he made last night was fantastic.
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Post by Ffs Ling on Feb 19, 2014 21:03:27 GMT
M'Poku is on the fringes of the Belgian national side now and chief penalty taker at Standard Liege the boys done well for himself
For me it's hard to assess an outfield player and a Goal Keeper to who's better etc
I thought when I watched Chris Bart Williams he definately had a certain swagger different to any other Orient player at the time
Does World class mean they have to represent there country at some point?
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Post by MungO on Feb 19, 2014 21:20:27 GMT
Not really represented a country. Should've said 'different' class.
Yeah Bart-Williams had it too. To a lesser extent Sean Thornton did when he wasn't on the ale. They made the game look easy.
Moses vs Carlisle or Coventry was unplayable. You could see a bit of it in him too.
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Post by harlowo on Feb 19, 2014 21:24:48 GMT
Jakupovic is a different class to Jalal, but then again so am i  |
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Post by kbola on Feb 19, 2014 21:46:30 GMT
Jakupovic could easily be 2nd or 3rd choice for Bosnia & Herzegovina (they get annoyed if you don't use the full name) at the World Cup. He not only has shot stopping and confidence but commands the area as well. I suppose he is older than the keepers Orient have had recently which makes a difference. I just hope Hull Tigers aren't watching too closely and decide to put him the first team before Orient sign him.  |
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Post by MungO on Feb 19, 2014 22:21:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 22:25:26 GMT
Bosnia & Herzegovina (they get annoyed if you don't use the full name) Depends on who "they" are. Bosniaks use the full name, Bosnian Croats refer only to Hercegovina and those in the Republika Srbska deny being part of Bosnia at all. |
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Post by Ffs Ling on Feb 19, 2014 22:34:20 GMT
Not really represented a country. Should've said 'different' class. Yeah Bart-Williams had it too. To a lesser extent Sean Thornton did when he wasn't on the ale. They made the game look easy. Moses vs Carlisle or Coventry was unplayable. You could see a bit of it in him too. Jeez Sean Thornton what a Player he could of been shame  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 22:56:58 GMT
No, M'Poku was not world class or even Championship class when he was here. He did not get in the team regularly enough.
Had he made more appearances, would he have improved the side? And would we have got more points that we needed for the play-offs? No, Slade made absolutely the right call, like he always does.
We had the chance to get him permanently but both parties turned it down. You can see like Porter, any young player that leaves Orient is making a mistake. Had he stayed, Slade would have developed him into a top class player that would have sold to Man U for £6m like Nick Powell.
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Post by osoldest on Feb 19, 2014 23:04:47 GMT
Slade prefers hard working players to those with match winning skills, that's why he plays Simpson in preference to lozza. Mpoko should have been the first name on the team sheet, he was different class.
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Post by kbola on Feb 19, 2014 23:36:07 GMT
If Mpoko was so amazing why did Spurs release him?
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Post by Ffs Ling on Feb 19, 2014 23:44:18 GMT
No, M'Poku was not world class or even Championship class when he was here. He did not get in the team regularly enough. Had he made more appearances, would he have improved the side? And would we have got more points that we needed for the play-offs? No, Slade made absolutely the right call, like he always does. We had the chance to get him permanently but both parties turned it down. You can see like Porter, any young player that leaves Orient is making a mistake. Had he stayed, Slade would have developed him into a top class player that would have sold to Man U for £6m like Nick Powell. M'poku was never offered to us on a permanent deal He did not get in the team regularly enough?.He actually played for us 35 times in the season we had him He was sent back to Spurs at the end of the 2010/2011 season who then sold him for what's to believed a very tidy sum in July 2011 to Standard Liege He unlike Porter is probably on better money now.playing in the Belgian Premier League and on the verge of breaking into the Belgian National side And you say he is not even Championship class? Porter was certainly not Championship class a one trick pony who spent more time on his arse and remonstrating with officials than actually playing the game thankfully he has been found out and is where he belongs in Division 2 M'poku and Porter there is no comparison |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 10:42:23 GMT
35 appearances - neglecting to mention that 22 of them were sub cameo appearances and more in the cups.
He was not championship standard when he was with us. Otherwise Slade would have put him in the team more.
I don't think you should doubt my good authority, like with Cody McDonald, just because it didn't happen did not mean the 'wheels were in motion' to start with.
You seem to have it in for Porter. While he was with us he was a promising player, it was only after he left he turned into a whinger. More proof that young players leaving the Orient is always a mistake.
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Post by Ffs Ling on Feb 20, 2014 14:34:33 GMT
35 appearances - neglecting to mention that 22 of them were sub cameo appearances and more in the cups. He was not championship standard when he was with us. Otherwise Slade would have put him in the team more. I don't think you should doubt my good authority, like with Cody McDonald, just because it didn't happen did not mean the 'wheels were in motion' to start with. You seem to have it in for Porter. While he was with us he was a promising player, it was only after he left he turned into a whinger. More proof that young players leaving the Orient is always a mistake. You don't think I should doubt your good authority ? Don't be so patronising I have my opinion which is as valid as yours |
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Post by MungO on Feb 20, 2014 14:37:12 GMT
I'm pretty sure the jabster account is a wind up. Being monitored.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 15:14:42 GMT
I find that outrageous just because the thread did not go as you like.
We are talking at the time he was here. I don't doubt that M'Poku is a very good player now and in a few years will be a Belgian international. But that is irrelevant to the discussion.
Should we class Nicky Shorey as a cut above this level when he was with us too? At the time, you wouldn't say so. He showed promise but developed after he left.
M'Poku in 2010 was not as effective as Dean Cox or Charlie Daniels, the latter two could be said to be Championship quality (but probably no more). And Slade pretty recognised that. If he was so good, why not make him a key undroppable man, just like Cox and Daniels were?
And by means of argument, you upload a video showing M'Poku against a tiring defence from the Blue Square North! This would be akin to an Arsenal fan claiming Nicklas Bendtner is world class by showing a video of his hatrick against us and how easy he found it.
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Post by Hawaii Five O on Feb 21, 2014 3:27:28 GMT
You seem to have it in for Porter. While he was with us he was a promising player, it was only after he left he turned into a whinger. More proof that young players leaving the Orient is always a mistake. When he was with us Porter frequently refused to stick to the game plan as laid out by the coaching staff, would cheaply lose the ball & then fail to track back to help defend and, in the words of one of his team mates, would come off the pitch acting the big "I am" when he'd done sod all & get backs up in the changing room.
But hey, far be it from me to doubt your good authority that he was a promising player....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 9:54:16 GMT
You make it sound like he was a terrible player - if that is the case why did Slade offer him a new deal - and was in discussions with his representatives months before? It wasn't so the club could get a fee - his age meant we would get cash.
When Porter broke into the team, we were in a really bad position. No, he wasn't Championship class either, but he he offered the team something different. Should we care that he wasn't the most popular guy? Ben Chorley wasn't either, but it's still possible to respect him and say he did a job.
He did OK for us in his spell - seems stupid to call him out for errors considering he was a rookie, plus the fact that the whole team were leaking goals at the time. Did people give Lee Cook the same stick for his lack of defensive duties? Why pick on a kid then?
I digress. The facts show his contributions triggered:
1) A club in a higher division offered him a three-year deal
2) Leyton Orient also offered him a new deal
Look at players past. Players that O's fans said 'he is great and will make it': Harry Beautyman, Soloman Shields, and so on. All released with very little chance in the team.
The fact that Porter got offered deals like this and the amount of appearances compared to other youth suggest to me he was a 'promising player'. Clearly Slade and Ipswich thought so too at the time.
Or wait, maybe your intelligence is higher than theirs or mine and I have missed something? Doesn't look like it, does it?
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Post by Ffs Ling on Feb 21, 2014 11:46:42 GMT
You make it sound like he was a terrible player - if that is the case why did Slade offer him a new deal - and was in discussions with his representatives months before? It wasn't so the club could get a fee - his age meant we would get cash. When Porter broke into the team, we were in a really bad position. No, he wasn't Championship class either, but he he offered the team something different. Should we care that he wasn't the most popular guy? Ben Chorley wasn't either, but it's still possible to respect him and say he did a job. He did OK for us in his spell - seems stupid to call him out for errors considering he was a rookie, plus the fact that the whole team were leaking goals at the time. Did people give Lee Cook the same stick for his lack of defensive duties? Why pick on a kid then? I digress. The facts show his contributions triggered: 1) A club in a higher division offered him a three-year deal 2) Leyton Orient also offered him a new deal Look at players past. Players that O's fans said 'he is great and will make it': Harry Beautyman, Soloman Shields, and so on. All released with very little chance in the team. The fact that Porter got offered deals like this and the amount of appearances compared to other youth suggest to me he was a 'promising player'. Clearly Slade and Ipswich thought so too at the time. Or wait, maybe your intelligence is higher than theirs or mine and I have missed something? Doesn't look like it, does it? [ And maybe you wear rose tinted spectacles and are indeed the oracle of nonsense As I said before we all have different opinions etc it's what this board is about debate However I do take offence to your know it all stance stop trying to demean everybody to your way of thinking as it won't work You might of been able to WUM on the other board successfully but on here I doubt you will get any bites That is all Happy Keyboarding |
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