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Post by vinnyh on Mar 6, 2021 17:54:16 GMT
Does seem that our form really nose-dived once contract talks started.
Wonder if a combination of players offered no where near what they think they are worth and been told they are being released has seen a knock-on effect.
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Post by jimbo1983 on Mar 6, 2021 18:07:44 GMT
Yeah not a bad suggestion there. Might of demoralzed them a little
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Post by Ramrod on Mar 6, 2021 18:17:25 GMT
If you know you're not going to get renewed, the temptation for some players might be to not to put their body on the line for the team. If you've got lots of players in that situation, as we have, then you could have a problem. Having said that, we had plenty of players out there today who ARE contracted for next season.
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Post by vinnyh on Mar 6, 2021 18:42:02 GMT
If you know you're not going to get renewed, the temptation for some players might be to not to put their body on the line for the team. If you've got lots of players in that situation, as we have, then you could have a problem. Having said that, we had plenty of players out there today who ARE contracted for next season. Honestly, not remembering, who were they? |
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Post by MungO on Mar 6, 2021 18:47:43 GMT
If you know you're not going to get renewed, the temptation for some players might be to not to put their body on the line for the team. If you've got lots of players in that situation, as we have, then you could have a problem. Having said that, we had plenty of players out there today who ARE contracted for next season. I don't think we did. I can only think of Ouss and Kemp. |
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Post by MungO on Mar 6, 2021 19:57:18 GMT
Does seem that our form really nose-dived once contract talks started. Wonder if a combination of players offered no where near what they think they are worth and been told they are being released has seen a knock-on effect. It's a good point and i think one that was mentioned at the start of the season, that the season might just taper out if we weren't up to much. |
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Post by MungO on Mar 6, 2021 19:58:22 GMT
You would also have thought that one or two may have committed by now, but absolutely no news so far is there. By club and player keeping their powder dry.
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Post by Ramrod on Mar 6, 2021 22:58:36 GMT
If you know you're not going to get renewed, the temptation for some players might be to not to put their body on the line for the team. If you've got lots of players in that situation, as we have, then you could have a problem. Having said that, we had plenty of players out there today who ARE contracted for next season. I don't think we did. I can only think of Ouss and Kemp. Cisse, Kemp, Happe, Vigouroux - perhaps "plenty" was pushing it. |
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Post by refugee on Mar 7, 2021 0:13:18 GMT
Martin Ling said the other day he expects somr people to sign in the next week or so. God knows who they will be.
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Post by tuffers on Mar 7, 2021 7:52:17 GMT
think it'll be the guys without other options
clay, sarge, kyprianou, brophy
if you were someone like wilkinson, johnson, vigoroux (i am sure he signed 18 months in 2020) i think other clubs would be on the radar
they would have seen what marv did last year and he has bettered himself
the thing i dont like is why isnt the manager having the final say about contracts
he will be working with them next year
martin ling adds more problems than he solves and is surplus to requirements imo
it just seems a lot of fans have some mentality that if he wasnt here we wouldnt sign any good players
but an experienced manager at this level will already have files on who he thinks are good players
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Post by MungO on Mar 7, 2021 8:55:18 GMT
I find it hard to think any players will sign for a club with an interim manager.
Let's face it they are on easy street now until the summer so they could well bide their time and see what happens at other clubs.
Positives for signing for the O's: Well run club, always paid on time.
Negatives: No idea who the manager will be.
While I'd like a few players to sign I'm not too bothered if all of them left. The place needs a clear out. And as for all the gelling and time to knit together nonsense I present Derek Adams who signed an entire team this season, Alex Revell who signed a new team in January. Bradford also signed a new team in January.
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Post by Ramrod on Mar 7, 2021 9:03:16 GMT
I find it hard to think any players will sign for a club with an interim manager. Let's face it they are on easy street now until the summer so they could well bide their time and see what happens at other clubs. Positives for signing for the O's: Well run club, always paid on time. Negatives: No idea who the manager will be. While I'd like a few players to sign I'm not too bothered if all of them left. The place needs a clear out. And as for all the gelling and time to knit together nonsense I present Derek Adams who signed an entire team this season, Alex Revell who signed a new team in January. Bradford also signed a new team in January. |
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Post by redintheface on Mar 7, 2021 9:03:45 GMT
I find it hard to think any players will sign for a club with an interim manager. Let's face it they are on easy street now until the summer so they could well bide their time and see what happens at other clubs. Positives for signing for the O's: Well run club, always paid on time. Negatives: No idea who the manager will be. While I'd like a few players to sign I'm not too bothered if all of them left. The place needs a clear out. And as for all the gelling and time to knit together nonsense I present Derek Adams who signed an entire team this season, Alex Revell who signed a new team in January. Bradford also signed a new team in January. Personally, I think you overrate the “ interim manager” effect. There is so little job security for the vast majority of managers and coaches in the game that almost anyone who signs for a club nowadays must expect to see a change at the top if results do not pan out as expected. 11 clubs in our Division alone have changed their manager since the season began! |
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Post by MungO on Mar 7, 2021 9:08:08 GMT
Good point. I think the average manager length of service now is about 11 months so in a two year contract you could expect to see changes.
Personally I would find it unsettling.
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Post by Fisch on Mar 7, 2021 9:13:49 GMT
Good point. I think the average manager length of service now is about 11 months so in a two year contract you could expect to see changes. Personally I would find it unsettling. So would I but a life as a footballer doesn't prepare you for much. Josh Wright has the best approach I'd say. Invest and build whilst you are earning. |
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Post by Ramrod on Mar 7, 2021 9:20:52 GMT
I don't think we did. I can only think of Ouss and Kemp. Cisse, Kemp, Happe, Vigouroux - perhaps "plenty" was pushing it. We also have Ogie, Sotiriou and Thompson under contract for next year - anyone else? One can discuss the merits of all the contracted players, but they are on our books. |
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Post by tuffers on Mar 7, 2021 9:25:07 GMT
does happe have a contract past this season? i didnt recall that this was the case
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Post by redintheface on Mar 7, 2021 9:30:13 GMT
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Post by refugee on Mar 7, 2021 9:35:19 GMT
I find it hard to think any players will sign for a club with an interim manager. Let's face it they are on easy street now until the summer so they could well bide their time and see what happens at other clubs. Positives for signing for the O's: Well run club, always paid on time. Negatives: No idea who the manager will be. While I'd like a few players to sign I'm not too bothered if all of them left. The place needs a clear out. And as for all the gelling and time to knit together nonsense I present Derek Adams who signed an entire team this season, Alex Revell who signed a new team in January. Bradford also signed a new team in January. Personally, I think you overrate the “ interim manager” effect. There is so little job security for the vast majority of managers and coaches in the game that almost anyone who signs for a club nowadays must expect to see a change at the top if results do not pan out as expected. 11 clubs in our Division alone have changed their manager since the season began! Whilst it might be overrated because of the lack job security, a player is more likely sign for another club with a manager who sets out his vision than a club who currently will be going into next season without a manager. It’s utterly bizarre how this club is dealing with these new contracts. They make a point of talking about Jobi being a manager but this squad is run by the DoF and the transfer committee in reality. |
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Post by Ramrod on Mar 7, 2021 9:52:50 GMT
I thought we'd already got him signed. Time flies. It will be interesting to see what happens. |
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