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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2021 9:00:20 GMT
I don’t get that Barrow were poor. They lacked creativity, and I’m guessing they missed their star midfielder. But they were workmanlike and very organised. Ten men behind the ball once they were 1-0. Not easy to break down, even at international level let alone with L2 players. Teams are working us out. Mansfield, Port Vale and Barrow put 2 men on Smith, stopping him from jumping. Smith then starts to give away niggly fouls out of frustration. Shades of DJ last season. Their centre half was the best player Smith has played against this season imho, and he got very little out of him. My man of the match was the ref. He had an excellent game, and tried to let the game flow. For the first 20mins, every other time Barrow were in our box a player went down. They stopped doing it when they realised it wasn’t getting them anywhere. Final thought - when KJ was invited by Dave to criticise the ill-discipline at the end, he didn’t. Instead he said he liked aggression in his players. Not as “nice” as Ross is he? I’ll vote for the ref too. Missed a stonewall penalty when Beckles pulled down his man. Don’t get this working our Smith stuff. Teams have scorers and these guys get marked, in Smiths case often by two. That should leave opportunities elsewhere. Every manager knows this happens, KJ certainly does. The trick is to take advantage of our extra man. If it’s that easy to take Smith out of the game, don’t play him. Had enough of that with DJ last year. we had far too many hit and hope passes, we massively lacked a bit of creativity in midfield and seemed to lose a lot of options out wide. Woods not an attacking threat, no James. Ogie just doesn’t offer much going forward, bar a long throw. Neither Clay nor Pratley are creative and Hector had a below par game. Was Drinan playing? Just a bad day at the office against a poor team and we didn’t lose. Will be better next week.
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Post by northeasto on Oct 10, 2021 9:50:28 GMT
I don’t get that Barrow were poor. They lacked creativity, and I’m guessing they missed their star midfielder. But they were workmanlike and very organised. Ten men behind the ball once they were 1-0. Not easy to break down, even at international level let alone with L2 players. Teams are working us out. Mansfield, Port Vale and Barrow put 2 men on Smith, stopping him from jumping. Smith then starts to give away niggly fouls out of frustration. Shades of DJ last season. Their centre half was the best player Smith has played against this season imho, and he got very little out of him. My man of the match was the ref. He had an excellent game, and tried to let the game flow. For the first 20mins, every other time Barrow were in our box a player went down. They stopped doing it when they realised it wasn’t getting them anywhere. Final thought - when KJ was invited by Dave to criticise the ill-discipline at the end, he didn’t. Instead he said he liked aggression in his players. Not as “nice” as Ross is he? I’ll vote for the ref too. Missed a stonewall penalty when Beckles pulled down his man. Don’t get this working our Smith stuff. Teams have scorers and these guys get marked, in Smiths case often by two. That should leave opportunities elsewhere. Every manager knows this happens, KJ certainly does. The trick is to take advantage of our extra man. If it’s that easy to take Smith out of the game, don’t play him. Had enough of that with DJ last year. we had far too many hit and hope passes, we massively lacked a bit of creativity in midfield and seemed to lose a lot of options out wide. Woods not an attacking threat, no James. Ogie just doesn’t offer much going forward, bar a long throw. Neither Clay nor Pratley are creative and Hector had a below par game. Was Drinan playing? Just a bad day at the office against a poor team and we didn’t lose. Will be better next week. All I was saying re Smith was that teams are now putting two players on him to stop him jumping. I wasn’t saying we should drop him, or that he doesn’t contribute or threaten in other ways. And of course KJ will react accordingly. I agree that if he is double marked in open play then it creates space elsewhere. It’s a bit simplistic to a say this is the case at set pieces eg a Vigeroux goal kick. If they put a midfielder in front of Smith and pull a forward into midfield there often isn’t much space. Especially on a narrow pitch like Barrow’s. I still don’t think Barrow were poor. They weren’t very creative but they were well organised. We were poor first half at Port Vale. Bristol Rovers were poor all game. Barrow made themselves difficult to beat. And I agree that we lacked the cutting edge to get a second.
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Post by northeasto on Oct 10, 2021 9:53:23 GMT
I’ll qualify the above by saying that the only games I’ve been too so far were Salford and Carlisle. I’ve watched all the others bar Harrogate on the stream which obviously doesn’t give the full picture
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Post by MungO on Oct 10, 2021 9:56:38 GMT
I think the difference between Smith at Newport and a few games previously was where the crosses are coming in from.
Plopping them onto him from the halfway line he'll probably get his head on them but it won't do much damage.
Cross them in from just outside the 18 yard box and it's a much more difficult task to hold.back a 6'5" giant.
But we all know that. You gotta get round the back to put the crosses in.
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Post by MungO on Oct 10, 2021 10:33:39 GMT
I promised myself i wouldn't post up stats mid-month and wait until the end of the month before doing a summary. But i thought these scores for yesterdays games were at total odds to how we on here have rated them. Surprised that Omar and Shad scored so highly. Without Omar scoring his goal, Clay would have been our MotM. Mitchell who we all believe to be top-notch rated quite lowly on both sites.
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Post by MungO on Oct 10, 2021 10:38:06 GMT
i haven't been tracking opoosition ratings but i did think that their goalie kept them in it. He would have been MotM had it not been for their goalscorer. Their forward 3 also scored quite low so i guess this gives credibility to the fact that Beckles and Ogie scored so highly. I really didn't think Barrow troubled us that much at all. A game we lost.
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Post by FargO on Oct 10, 2021 11:41:30 GMT
I had a different take on the game. I thought Barrow were the only team who played passing football and their goal was a beauty. Orient just seemed to hoik /head the ball up in the air all the time. Admittedly Barrow were restricted to a couple of chances on goal and Archibald could have won it for us but it was all a bit scrappy and disappointing.
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Post by redshank on Oct 10, 2021 11:56:25 GMT
Is October our no win month,or is it November.Somewhere in the season we seem to be stuck on a certain. number of points
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Post by harlowo on Oct 10, 2021 12:46:52 GMT
Just seen the goals back the initial mistake is from Beckles but they way their player just jogs away from Hector and the lack of effort from Hector is shocking.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2021 12:52:56 GMT
I think the difference between Smith at Newport and a few games previously was where the crosses are coming in from. Plopping them onto him from the halfway line he'll probably get his head on them but it won't do much damage. Cross them in from just outside the 18 yard box and it's a much more difficult task to hold.back a 6'5" giant. But we all know that. You gotta get round the back to put the crosses in. Was never suggesting Smith be dropped. But it’s true, the way he is marked restricts his impact in the target man roll. He still gets the flick ons but with little impact. He needs service from wider areas. I’m confident KJ is aware of what makes Smith tick. But he also needs Drinan to get back to his best. Or Ruel. Someone who can give defenders a little more to worry about. Archibald did and got off our best shots. Need that both sides. Ruel needs to get his chance with a run of games.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2021 13:03:08 GMT
I promised myself i wouldn't post up stats mid-month and wait until the end of the month before doing a summary. But i thought these scores for yesterdays games were at total odds to how we on here have rated them. View AttachmentSurprised that Omar and Shad scored so highly. Without Omar scoring his goal, Clay would have been our MotM. Mitchell who we all believe to be top-notch rated quite lowly on both sites. Mitchell had a quiet game, he was OK did his job but wasn’t really under much pressure. Not too much opportunity to shine. Clay as a defender is OK. No real complaints score wise, just don’t offer much as an attacking threat. Omar had a good game but for me got lucky with the penalty shout and clumsy with their goal. why did LV score so low?
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Post by redintheface on Oct 10, 2021 13:05:07 GMT
I think the difference between Smith at Newport and a few games previously was where the crosses are coming in from. Plopping them onto him from the halfway line he'll probably get his head on them but it won't do much damage. Cross them in from just outside the 18 yard box and it's a much more difficult task to hold.back a 6'5" giant. But we all know that. You gotta get round the back to put the crosses in. Was never suggesting Smith be dropped. But it’s true, the way he is marked restricts his impact in the target man roll. He still gets the flick ons but with little impact. He needs service from wider areas. I’m confident KJ is aware of what makes Smith tick. But he also needs Drinan to get back to his best. Or Ruel. Someone who can give defenders a little more to worry about. Archibald did and got off our best shots. Need that both sides. Ruel needs to get his chance with a run of games. Key point made above is the quality of balls being played into Smith. Yesterday was substandard , mainly long long balls from Ogie , which makes things difficult for any centre forward. Decent crosses , ideally pulled back from the touch line are the key.
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Post by MungO on Oct 10, 2021 13:25:03 GMT
I promised myself i wouldn't post up stats mid-month and wait until the end of the month before doing a summary. But i thought these scores for yesterdays games were at total odds to how we on here have rated them. View AttachmentSurprised that Omar and Shad scored so highly. Without Omar scoring his goal, Clay would have been our MotM. Mitchell who we all believe to be top-notch rated quite lowly on both sites. Mitchell had a quiet game, he was OK did his job but wasn’t really under much pressure. Not too much opportunity to shine. Clay as a defender is OK. No real complaints score wise, just don’t offer much as an attacking threat. Omar had a good game but for me got lucky with the penalty shout and clumsy with their goal. why did LV score so low? I think LV scores low because ultimately he hasn't had much to do. I suppose avoiding the issue is the best way of summing it up.
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Post by MungO on Oct 10, 2021 13:26:14 GMT
Was never suggesting Smith be dropped. But it’s true, the way he is marked restricts his impact in the target man roll. He still gets the flick ons but with little impact. He needs service from wider areas. I’m confident KJ is aware of what makes Smith tick. But he also needs Drinan to get back to his best. Or Ruel. Someone who can give defenders a little more to worry about. Archibald did and got off our best shots. Need that both sides. Ruel needs to get his chance with a run of games. Key point made above is the quality of balls being played into Smith. Yesterday was substandard , mainly long long balls from Ogie , which makes things difficult for any centre forward. Decent crosses , ideally pulled back from the touch line are the key. I said at the time yesterday that that long ball from Ogie to the general area around Smith is pretty risk free for Ogie. The more challenging pass would be to find Wood and work out way up the line.
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Post by harrycat on Oct 10, 2021 14:54:53 GMT
Orgie played okay but most balls out of defence from him were long and hopeful up the middle which often Barrow won. Glad we got a point though. Early days and we have not seen the best yet. I reckon that come Christmas we will still be I play off places and will improve from there to an automatic promotion. Let's hope so.
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Post by redshank on Oct 10, 2021 15:23:29 GMT
Are we expecting too much just because KJ is manager.We fall just below good.Hard to get an easy game in this division.Just about keeping up with where we need to be.
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Post by harlowo on Oct 10, 2021 17:19:12 GMT
One thing from yesterday their right wing back Hutton in the first half must have foul thrown at least 3 times foot over the line every time I don’t have a clue what the linesman is watching.
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Post by harlowo on Oct 10, 2021 19:37:43 GMT
I think Ruel did enough yesterday to get a start next week.
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Post by Fisch on Oct 10, 2021 19:51:48 GMT
I think Ruel did enough yesterday to get a start next week. I'd pick him over Aaron in view of recent performances but we just know that Ruel will fail to turn up and lose his place again. Shades of JMD, Dayton again.
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Post by harlowo on Oct 10, 2021 19:54:07 GMT
I think Ruel did enough yesterday to get a start next week. I'd pick him over Aaron in view of recent performances but we just know that Ruel will fail to turn up and lose his place again. Shades of JMD, Dayton again. Yes I agree starts over Drinan hopefully he does well.
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