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Post by osoldest on Oct 9, 2021 21:38:34 GMT
Playing 3 centre backs is ok when you use attacking wingbacks but you do so at the expense of a midfielder and when teams only play one up front I think it often means you get outfought in midfield. Today we didn’t have attacking wingbacks and I thought 3 central defenders was unnecessary.
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Post by Fisch on Oct 9, 2021 22:47:10 GMT
certainly the number of balls Barrow sent into our box would suggest we were light in midfield and were unable to prevent the bombardment. These produced a couple of loose balls which required last ditch blocking to defend.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 22:49:25 GMT
Playing 3 centre backs is ok when you use attacking wingbacks but you do so at the expense of a midfielder and when teams only play one up front I think it often means you get outfought in midfield. Today we didn’t have attacking wingbacks and I thought 3 central defenders was unnecessary. Most teams nowadays play only one up front ( sometimes two)so you basically have 3 centre backs marking one or maybe two players, by only having one wide player they can often get outnumbered thus one of the centre backs then gets drawn out of position to cover the wide position as what happened at port vale,IMO two are more than adequate so then it gives you another player to utilise in midfield. You make a good point🙈 |
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Post by orientsc on Oct 9, 2021 22:52:54 GMT
Could this strategy be a reaction to the problems in central defense last week? I was only able to watch the game today in spots, so I could be way off. It does seem to me that KJ adjusts both in the short term and for the long term.
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Post by mayland0s on Oct 10, 2021 7:40:42 GMT
Playing 3 centre backs is ok when you use attacking wingbacks but you do so at the expense of a midfielder and when teams only play one up front I think it often means you get outfought in midfield. Today we didn’t have attacking wingbacks and I thought 3 central defenders was unnecessary. So do you think KJ is wrong and you and others are right ? Just asking ! |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 10, 2021 8:45:02 GMT
So if we resort to 4 at the back with two centre backs, then on current form it will be Mitchell and Beckles with Ogie and Happe both missing out. If Thompson does ever get fit enough to play again by Christmas and Mitchell and Beckles are still fit and playing most of the games, then it would not surprise me at all if come January, Thompson or one of the other two centre backs go out on loan.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2021 9:09:40 GMT
Got to admit, I quite like the formation we play. I think it suites the players we have quite well. But for it to be effective we become reliant on Woods and James. As a pair, probably the best we have had for some time. Take one of them away and it weakens the structure no end.
Yesterday for me was a massive advert for just how good James is and just how much he makes the team tick over.
Glad he is back next week.
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Post by osoldest on Oct 10, 2021 12:00:02 GMT
Maryland , of course I am not suggesting that my coaching skills are superior to Jackets but just as we all have views on which players should start I have an opinion about how we should line up.
By all means play 3 central defenders if we are playing with attacking full backs but yesterday that was not the case.and I would have liked to have seen 2 central defenders and an extra midfield player.
Just my opinion.
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Post by redshank on Oct 10, 2021 12:38:05 GMT
James gives so much to the team,both in defense and attack.When he is not playing he is the biggest loss as an outfield player.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 10, 2021 12:52:36 GMT
I have heard KJ mention on several occasions in interviews he’s given that he is prepared to be flexible when the situation arises whether that be because of available personnel or the way the opposition set up. So far the 3 centre backs set up seems to have worked reasonably well in most games so it seems sensible to stick with it. With Smyth ( hopefully) now ready to go he may want to teak things to accommodate him in a 4-4-2 to give us a more attacking option? Of course with Thompson also due back in the next couple of weeks it’s possible KJ will want to slot him in the back 3 and stay as we are. In any event I would imagine Happe/ Ogie would be the odd men out.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 10, 2021 15:07:10 GMT
I have heard KJ mention on several occasions in interviews he’s given that he is prepared to be flexible when the situation arises whether that be because of available personnel or the way the opposition set up. So far the 3 centre backs set up seems to have worked reasonably well in most games so it seems sensible to stick with it. With Smyth ( hopefully) now ready to go he may want to teak things to accommodate him in a 4-4-2 to give us a more attacking option? Of course with Thompson also due back in the next couple of weeks it’s possible KJ will want to slot him in the back 3 and stay as we are. In any event I would imagine Happe/ Ogie would be the odd men out. ''Of course with Thompson also due back in the next couple of weeks'' I shall wait and see on that one, seeing is believing and also, who is to say that even if he does ever get match fit, that he will be part of KJ's plans.
He is one of those unfortunate players who seems to be injury prone and his contract runs out the end of this season, so If he does get match fit, then I would not be at all surprised if he goes out on loan in January.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 10, 2021 15:46:36 GMT
I have heard KJ mention on several occasions in interviews he’s given that he is prepared to be flexible when the situation arises whether that be because of available personnel or the way the opposition set up. So far the 3 centre backs set up seems to have worked reasonably well in most games so it seems sensible to stick with it. With Smyth ( hopefully) now ready to go he may want to teak things to accommodate him in a 4-4-2 to give us a more attacking option? Of course with Thompson also due back in the next couple of weeks it’s possible KJ will want to slot him in the back 3 and stay as we are. In any event I would imagine Happe/ Ogie would be the odd men out. ''Of course with Thompson also due back in the next couple of weeks'' I shall wait and see on that one, seeing is believing and also, who is to say that even if he does ever get match fit, that he will be part of KJ's plans.
He is one of those unfortunate players who seems to be injury prone and his contract runs out the end of this season, so If he does get match fit, then I would not be at all surprised if he goes out on loan in January.
All the noises from the club are that Thompson will be in the frame by the end of this month so , unless that changes, I’d be hugely surprised if he was loaned out. |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2021 15:49:44 GMT
Maryland , of course I am not suggesting that my coaching skills are superior to Jackets but just as we all have views on which players should start I have an opinion about how we should line up. By all means play 3 central defenders if we are playing with attacking full backs but yesterday that was not the case.and I would have liked to have seen 2 central defenders and an extra midfield player. Just my opinion. I think that is a good observation. Three at the back with attacking full/wing backs. Works for me. James is the most attacking of Woods/James - both excellent in my opinion - but with him missing our 3-4-3 seemed to be lacking yesterday. Maybe a different formation would have been more suited to the players we had available. Yesterday was not a good advert for adventurous attacking football against a poor team. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 10, 2021 22:32:25 GMT
''Of course with Thompson also due back in the next couple of weeks'' I shall wait and see on that one, seeing is believing and also, who is to say that even if he does ever get match fit, that he will be part of KJ's plans.
He is one of those unfortunate players who seems to be injury prone and his contract runs out the end of this season, so If he does get match fit, then I would not be at all surprised if he goes out on loan in January.
All the noises from the club are that Thompson will be in the frame by the end of this month so , unless that changes, I’d be hugely surprised if he was loaned out. We shall see, I have my doubts and also do not think he will be at this club after this season ends. |
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Post by osoldest on Oct 11, 2021 9:42:35 GMT
Dennisrofe, I too share your concerns. He obviously suffered a severe sports injury which could be career threatening and even if he makes a full recovery what is going to be his mindset, will he still be prepared to launch into crunching tackles as before? Sadly I think his orient days are over but I would love to be wrong as he is a 100% committed player.
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Post by Thor on Oct 11, 2021 19:19:31 GMT
Dennisrofe, I too share your concerns. He obviously suffered a severe sports injury which could be career threatening and even if he makes a full recovery what is going to be his mindset, will he still be prepared to launch into crunching tackles as before? Sadly I think his orient days are over but I would love to be wrong as he is a 100% committed player. He will.be back of that I'm sure and ill also say he will be as good as both his injury and coming into this team (obviously needs to earn his place) will be like a new signing. Positive times ahead. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 11, 2021 20:39:41 GMT
Dennisrofe, I too share your concerns. He obviously suffered a severe sports injury which could be career threatening and even if he makes a full recovery what is going to be his mindset, will he still be prepared to launch into crunching tackles as before? Sadly I think his orient days are over but I would love to be wrong as he is a 100% committed player. He will.be back of that I'm sure and ill also say he will be as good as both his injury and coming into this team (obviously needs to earn his place) will be like a new signing. Positive times ahead. So Thompson will be coming back soon, refreshed and raring to go, like a new signing in fact .....really ?
Well we shall see but I well remember very similar thoughts being expressed when Dean Cox and Paul McCallum received very bad ACL knee injuries and also when Dale Gorman joined the Os while still in recovery from a then, recent broken ankle injury. Also more recently, the signing of ex AFC Wimbledon midfielder Callum Reilly was ( mainly on the other forum ) heralded as a really good signing but a similar story, he was already injured when joining the Os and an injury prone past record with previous clubs, again in his case, let us wait and see ?
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