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Post by dohnut on Oct 10, 2021 12:37:11 GMT
Shrimper sack their management team. Hardly surprising. The fans hate the owner, been there, done that. They are in a mess, know how that feels.
But Josh Coulson before his injury was getting slated, that I find surprising. OK, he has never had pace but so much experience and a good player. Has he really gone from OK to shocking despite dropping a level. I struggle with that. More to do with the off field antics at the club.
Wonder if Ross will throw his hat in the ring, together with his assistant. League experience and he knows non-league too having tasted promotion with JE. Not too sure Southend will be attracting too many household names. Unlike us, we had great owners and a respected and experienced DoF.
His name hasn’t come up on their forum. But that don’t mean much.
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 10, 2021 13:13:13 GMT
Maybe Danny Webb will go for it, unless he thinks he had enough fun and games under the Italian. I wouldn't have thought the fans would fancy Ross.
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Post by redshank on Oct 10, 2021 15:17:33 GMT
Literally Southend-on Mud.They'll be back just like us.I am sure none of us would like to see them in National League South.Some big hitters in the NL,and not all former league clubs.A league without mercy or privilege.
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Post by billericayo on Oct 10, 2021 21:39:55 GMT
Shrimper sack their management team. Hardly surprising. The fans hate the owner, been there, done that. They are in a mess, know how that feels. But Josh Coulson before his injury was getting slated, that I find surprising. OK, he has never had pace but so much experience and a good player. Has he really gone from OK to shocking despite dropping a level. I struggle with that. More to do with the off field antics at the club. Wonder if Ross will throw his hat in the ring, together with his assistant. League experience and he knows non-league too having tasted promotion with JE. Not too sure Southend will be attracting too many household names. Unlike us, we had great owners and a respected and experienced DoF. His name hasn’t come up on their forum. But that don’t mean much. No team in their right mind should ever take on the school boy. He was out of his depth completely utterly clueless, pathetic. No player worth his salt would ever listen to him Essex Sunday league is his limit as a manager and that's being generous |
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Post by Fisch on Oct 10, 2021 23:24:50 GMT
just goes to show how diverse opinions can be, I rate Ross quite highly in terms of know-how. His man-management probably needs a lot of work but Southend could do much worse. They've probably had a skinful of big characters down there and may well respond to a more analytical approach. Ross will have learnt a lot from his experiences with us and could perhaps adjust his methods occordingly.
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Post by blip the thrOttle on Oct 11, 2021 8:33:53 GMT
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Post by blip the thrOttle on Oct 11, 2021 8:34:47 GMT
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Post by Prestige Worldwide on Oct 11, 2021 10:50:33 GMT
I would be very very surprised if Ross Embleton ever becomes the manger of a professional football club again.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 11, 2021 11:23:04 GMT
just goes to show how diverse opinions can be, I rate Ross quite highly in terms of know-how. His man-management probably needs a lot of work but Southend could do much worse. They've probably had a skinful of big characters down there and may well respond to a more analytical approach. Ross will have learnt a lot from his experiences with us and could perhaps adjust his methods occordingly. They could do worse than Ross. He has a lot of relevant experience in troubled waters and it’s easy to forget he took us to the edge of the playoffs during his time. Also he knows the NL game. His style of play, possession football, is perhaps a style that Southend could use right now. And with the right assistant Southend could become harder to beat. OK, not the most interesting to watch (that is an understatement) but good enough to turn the tide (pun) at Southend and give them some much needed stability. Realistically it won’t happen. The chances of an ex-Orient manager, sacked as well, being welcomed at Roots Hall is about zero, the fans would see that as the final insult. But their current favourite, Darren Currie has less relevant experience than Ross and strikes me as a Fletcher type appointment. They really need, big time, someone with NL experience. It’s a funny old league (crappy) in style of play. What sticks in my mind was our first EFL game against Cheltenham, a wake up call in terms of style, quality and speed. As much as I love to hate the Shrimpers, I wish them well and don’t want them to be relegated again. They have a solid fan base worthy of the EFL. |
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Post by northeasto on Oct 11, 2021 11:45:33 GMT
Shrimper sack their management team. Hardly surprising. The fans hate the owner, been there, done that. They are in a mess, know how that feels. But Josh Coulson before his injury was getting slated, that I find surprising. OK, he has never had pace but so much experience and a good player. Has he really gone from OK to shocking despite dropping a level. I struggle with that. More to do with the off field antics at the club. Wonder if Ross will throw his hat in the ring, together with his assistant. League experience and he knows non-league too having tasted promotion with JE. Not too sure Southend will be attracting too many household names. Unlike us, we had great owners and a respected and experienced DoF. His name hasn’t come up on their forum. But that don’t mean much. No team in their right mind should ever take on the school boy. He was out of his depth completely utterly clueless, pathetic. No player worth his salt would ever listen to him Essex Sunday league is his limit as a manager and that's being generous Hi Billericyo, Those comments are personal and unfair. I hope he doesn't read this forum. Embleton is Orient through-and-through. He is one of our own. If you are angry (and it sounds like you are) then maybe direct your anger at Nigel and Kent for appointing him and allowing his reign to continue. Criticise his record, his tactics, his team selections etc. But a character assassination of one of our own is unfair imho. |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 11, 2021 12:11:38 GMT
No team in their right mind should ever take on the school boy. He was out of his depth completely utterly clueless, pathetic. No player worth his salt would ever listen to him Essex Sunday league is his limit as a manager and that's being generous Hi Billericyo, Those comments are personal and unfair. I hope he doesn't read this forum. Embleton is Orient through-and-through. He is one of our own. If you are angry (and it sounds like you are) then maybe direct your anger at Nigel and Kent for appointing him and allowing his reign to continue. Criticise his record, his tactics, his team selections etc. But a character assassination of one of our own is unfair imho. It is also wrong. At the same point last season he is not far behind KJ when looking a pure numbers. I’ve posted the numbers. We also conceded less under Ross. For sure it went wrong the longer the season went on and I doubt KJ will allow that to happen. In fact I expect the reverse. I feel it was the Ross tactics that, whilst giving initial success, ultimately lost him the dressing room, results and his job. It was mind-numbingly boring to watch, the players must have found it painful. Ross was very one-dimensional. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 11, 2021 15:16:07 GMT
Shrimper sack their management team. Hardly surprising. The fans hate the owner, been there, done that. They are in a mess, know how that feels. But Josh Coulson before his injury was getting slated, that I find surprising. OK, he has never had pace but so much experience and a good player. Has he really gone from OK to shocking despite dropping a level. I struggle with that. More to do with the off field antics at the club. Wonder if Ross will throw his hat in the ring, together with his assistant. League experience and he knows non-league too having tasted promotion with JE. Not too sure Southend will be attracting too many household names. Unlike us, we had great owners and a respected and experienced DoF. His name hasn’t come up on their forum. But that don’t mean much. No team in their right mind should ever take on the school boy. He was out of his depth completely utterly clueless, pathetic. No player worth his salt would ever listen to him Essex Sunday league is his limit as a manager and that's being generous ''Essex Sunday league is his limit as a manager'' Well not up to EFL level anyway.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 13, 2021 17:59:56 GMT
Today was the first time Ross Embleton name has been mentioned in the betting odds at Southend.
Won’t happen of course, or will it? Nah.
39% win rate in his last spell at Orient. 20/1
Has the appropriate experience, knows the NL and won’t be asking a kings ransom. Localish too.
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Post by quorient on Oct 13, 2021 18:45:24 GMT
I don't understand the attacks on Ross as he said regularly that he didn't want to be a manager and he is a good coach and player developer - we are still benefitting from players that he started with. The mistake was pushing him into the job that wasn't suited to his strengths rather than rock the "Orient way" boat which we have now done, hopefully with success. Acting Manager after the shock of Justin's death is understandable, and praise worthy as it reflected our club ethos, but the full time appointment after Fletcher was the one that was wrong and has probably damaged Ross which he didn't deserve. I feel that his biggest mistake was taking a job because he felt he wanted/needed to help the club through a very difficult time and I'm sure it has haunted him.
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Post by Fisch on Oct 13, 2021 19:29:45 GMT
I don't understand the attacks on Ross as he said regularly that he didn't want to be a manager and he is a good coach and player developer - we are still benefitting from players that he started with. The mistake was pushing him into the job that wasn't suited to his strengths rather than rock the "Orient way" boat which we have now done, hopefully with success. Acting Manager after the shock of Justin's death is understandable, and praise worthy as it reflected our club ethos, but the full time appointment after Fletcher was the one that was wrong and has probably damaged Ross which he didn't deserve. I feel that his biggest mistake was taking a job because he felt he wanted/needed to help the club through a very difficult time and I'm sure it has haunted him. Eloquently put quorient. I'd like to add the possibility that, given his experiences with us, maybe Ross has enough in his toolkit to do the No 1 job now. I'd love to see him make a go of it. |
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Post by mayland0s on Oct 13, 2021 19:30:24 GMT
I would be very very surprised if Ross Embleton ever becomes the manger of a professional football club again. Do you mean the man that took a ver , very average set of players into the top 5 for a while ,a set of players that have done nothing much since but still finished 10th last season and a manager whose record is only 2 points off of what KJ's is now ,oh yer I see what you mean ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 19:49:57 GMT
I don't understand the attacks on Ross as he said regularly that he didn't want to be a manager and he is a good coach and player developer - we are still benefitting from players that he started with. The mistake was pushing him into the job that wasn't suited to his strengths rather than rock the "Orient way" boat which we have now done, hopefully with success. Acting Manager after the shock of Justin's death is understandable, and praise worthy as it reflected our club ethos, but the full time appointment after Fletcher was the one that was wrong and has probably damaged Ross which he didn't deserve. I feel that his biggest mistake was taking a job because he felt he wanted/needed to help the club through a very difficult time and I'm sure it has haunted him. Nobody held a gun to his head and he didn’t have to take the job. Fletcher was bang on as far as I’m concerned and he wanted to get rid of most of the squad which turned out to be right as you can see now, hardly any have or were retained. The thing Fletcher did wrong was to alienate the players and to try to get them out to quickly. The person that should take the blame for Embleton is Ling it’s as simple as that. But like we have said on more that one occasion it’s all water under the bridge and we move on. New players have been brought in and new back room staff and manager,and even Ling is managing to smile a little more now that Jacket has taken the helm.🙈 |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 14, 2021 10:56:55 GMT
I don't understand the attacks on Ross as he said regularly that he didn't want to be a manager and he is a good coach and player developer - we are still benefitting from players that he started with. The mistake was pushing him into the job that wasn't suited to his strengths rather than rock the "Orient way" boat which we have now done, hopefully with success. Acting Manager after the shock of Justin's death is understandable, and praise worthy as it reflected our club ethos, but the full time appointment after Fletcher was the one that was wrong and has probably damaged Ross which he didn't deserve. I feel that his biggest mistake was taking a job because he felt he wanted/needed to help the club through a very difficult time and I'm sure it has haunted him. Nobody held a gun to his head and he didn’t have to take the job. Fletcher was bang on as far as I’m concerned and he wanted to get rid of most of the squad which turned out to be right as you can see now, hardly any have or were retained. The thing Fletcher did wrong was to alienate the players and to try to get them out to quickly. The person that should take the blame for Embleton is Ling it’s as simple as that. But like we have said on more that one occasion it’s all water under the bridge and we move on. New players have been brought in and new back room staff and manager,and even Ling is managing to smile a little more now that Jacket has taken the helm.🙈 Yes agree with monkeyman. As to Carl Fletcher...........
Well I can never understand as to why Fletcher was not clearly told in his job interview that the squad he inherited was the one that he would have to work with ( with the possibility of just a few changes via loans and signings to come in January 2020 ) and that a mass clear-out of players would not be possible until the end of the 2020-2021 season, a clear case of take it or leave it.
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Post by Thor on Oct 14, 2021 17:23:42 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly that is exactly what he was told and what he said he would do.
The issue was he then said these 7 have to go and rumour has it that Sam Ling was one of them as was Ross Embleton. The club backed the existing players and coach which caused the division between fletch and the team and Fletcher was let go.
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Post by Prestige Worldwide on Oct 14, 2021 22:29:28 GMT
I would be very very surprised if Ross Embleton ever becomes the manger of a professional football club again. Do you mean the man that took a ver , very average set of players into the top 5 for a while ,a set of players that have done nothing much since but still finished 10th last season and a manager whose record is only 2 points off of what KJ's is now ,oh yer I see what you mean ! Considering that Embleton hasn’t been named manager of a professional football club, it would appear that those who run professional football clubs also agree with me. |
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