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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 8:58:22 GMT
I think there is a significant difference between “ having heads in the sand” and taking a reasoned stance over what has been a run of four winless games tbh! My own view is that KJ is delivering more than Ross although of course results are always the final arbiter. The Board - I think - will give time for the investment they’ve made to bear fruit. I’d be interested to hear your views on what the viable alternatives are at this stage if after Tuesday night we have won 3 from 15 points? No viable alternative. We have gone "all in "
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 9:22:31 GMT
Many forget this is a forum in which people are aloud to voice there opinions weather you agree with them or not, personally I feel Tuesdays game could be a critical. A win and it definitely boost morale and obviously improve our position. A defeat will do the opposite. I don’t really think a draw will be helpful tbh. If they do get a result on Tuesday it’s no good following up with a defeat a Stevenage, and weather you like it or not they are not beating the lower placed teams and that’s a worry and a fact. Now you can make all the excuses you like,”the team needs to gel” “we’ve had players injured “ “we’ve not been able to put a full strength team out” all the other teams have problems too. The board brought a high profile manager and coaching staff in to presumably to get us promotion and not just to improve the team. At this particular time if I were a board member I’d be looking at teams like Harrogate and Sutton and thinking how come there doing so well and we are not? Yes I know it’s not a sprint but a marathon but at this rate there going to find themselves way behind the pack and unable to catch up🙈
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 18, 2021 9:24:19 GMT
I think there is a significant difference between “ having heads in the sand” and taking a reasoned stance over what has been a run of four winless games tbh! My own view is that KJ is delivering more than Ross although of course results are always the final arbiter. The Board - I think - will give time for the investment they’ve made to bear fruit. I’d be interested to hear your views on what the viable alternatives are at this stage if after Tuesday night we have won 3 from 15 points? No viable alternative. We have gone "all in " Agreed. In the short term we just have to work our way through it. KJ has the necessary experience to change up tactics and formations and make the best of the squad. If the squad isn't good enough to deliver, January is the earliest we can tinker with it. I wouldn't have thought we need to despair just yet though.
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 18, 2021 9:29:51 GMT
The board brought a high profile manager and coaching staff in to presumably to get us promotion and not just to improve the team. At this particular time if I were a board member I’d be looking at teams like Harrogate and Sutton and thinking how come there doing so well and we are not? Yes I know it’s not a sprint but a marathon but at this rate there going to find themselves way behind the pack and unable to catch up🙈 It seems to me there are suddenly a lot of useful managers about doing a very decent job in difficult circumstances and on limited resources. The old dinosaur generation seems largely to have died out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 9:42:39 GMT
The board brought a high profile manager and coaching staff in to presumably to get us promotion and not just to improve the team. At this particular time if I were a board member I’d be looking at teams like Harrogate and Sutton and thinking how come there doing so well and we are not? Yes I know it’s not a sprint but a marathon but at this rate there going to find themselves way behind the pack and unable to catch up🙈 It seems to me there are suddenly a lot of useful managers about doing a very decent job in difficult circumstances and on limited resources. The old dinosaur generation seems largely to have died out. Not quite sure what your point is? Are you saying Jacket is a dinosaur or younger managers are more in tune or you simply don’t agree with me,which of course is you prerogative 🙈
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 18, 2021 10:04:21 GMT
It seems to me there are suddenly a lot of useful managers about doing a very decent job in difficult circumstances and on limited resources. The old dinosaur generation seems largely to have died out. Not quite sure what your point is? Are you saying Jacket is a dinosaur or younger managers are more in tune or you simply don’t agree with me,which of course is you prerogative 🙈 My comment is in no way intended as a reference to Jackett.
And how can it possibly be construed as disagreeing with your comment?
It's just a simple statement - when you look up and down the division there are a number of names, unknown or relatively unknown to me at least, doing a good job of work in tough circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 10:14:01 GMT
Not quite sure what your point is? Are you saying Jacket is a dinosaur or younger managers are more in tune or you simply don’t agree with me,which of course is you prerogative 🙈 My comment is in no way intended as a reference to Jackett.
And how can it possibly be construed as disagreeing with your comment?
It's just a simple statement - when you look up and down the division there are a number of names, unknown or relatively unknown to me at least, doing a good job of work in tough circumstances. Yes I see your point now(haven’t woken up yet,it Monday) yes you make a good point and that’s what I was alluding to,some of these managers are working with a less budget than we have and doing a lot better and you do have to wonder why? Sorry if I didn’t pick up your point. Apologies 🙈
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 18, 2021 10:22:52 GMT
My comment is in no way intended as a reference to Jackett.
And how can it possibly be construed as disagreeing with your comment?
It's just a simple statement - when you look up and down the division there are a number of names, unknown or relatively unknown to me at least, doing a good job of work in tough circumstances. Yes I see your point now(haven’t woken up yet,it Monday) yes you make a good point and that’s what I was alluding to,some of these managers are working with a less budget than we have and doing a lot better and you do have to wonder why? Sorry if I didn’t pick up your point. Apologies 🙈 No problem, mate, here in Denmark it's already gone noon so I'm relatively on the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 10:30:45 GMT
Yes I see your point now(haven’t woken up yet,it Monday) yes you make a good point and that’s what I was alluding to,some of these managers are working with a less budget than we have and doing a lot better and you do have to wonder why? Sorry if I didn’t pick up your point. Apologies 🙈 No problem, mate, here in Denmark it's already gone noon so I'm relatively on the ball. 👍you live in Denmark,I’ve been over there a couple of times. I find it a fascinating country and find it hard to describe to my mates. Had a cousin that married a Danish girl and bought a farm house there,I really looked it. Denmark are having a bit of a resurgence international wise there. Just wondered do you get the chance of going to any of there league games and if so what’s the general standard like?🙈
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Post by Thor on Oct 18, 2021 10:50:48 GMT
The hysteria on this forum in the last week or so has surprised me. Couldn’t agree more fella. It takes time for a new squad to gel. True. Was you in the supporters club on Sat after the game? If so do you have grey hair and was wearing a blue track top?
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Post by Ramrod on Oct 18, 2021 10:59:32 GMT
No problem, mate, here in Denmark it's already gone noon so I'm relatively on the ball. 👍you live in Denmark,I’ve been over there a couple of times. I find it a fascinating country and find it hard to describe to my mates. Had a cousin that married a Danish girl and bought a farm house there,I really looked it. Denmark are having a bit of a resurgence international wise there. Just wondered do you get the chance of going to any of there league games and if so what’s the general standard like?🙈 I'm ancient, been here 42 years. Last went to a game about 20 years ago, but the technical standard has always been very high, the first thing I noticed. I've was a kick & rush merchant, here people passed the ball. Watching UK football on the box every Saturday used to be a cure for insomnia, but thankfully things have changed since the advent of the Premiership. Sadly, Denmark doing well internationally is a massive pain. You can pick up a really nice farm property for peanuts compared to the UK, and house prices generally are very affordable outside the Copenhagen area.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 11:17:08 GMT
👍you live in Denmark,I’ve been over there a couple of times. I find it a fascinating country and find it hard to describe to my mates. Had a cousin that married a Danish girl and bought a farm house there,I really looked it. Denmark are having a bit of a resurgence international wise there. Just wondered do you get the chance of going to any of there league games and if so what’s the general standard like?🙈 I'm ancient, been here 42 years. Last went to a game about 20 years ago, but the technical standard has always been very high, the first thing I noticed. I've was a kick & rush merchant, here people passed the ball. Watching UK football on the box every Saturday used to be a cure for insomnia, but thankfully things have changed since the advent of the Premiership. Sadly, Denmark doing well internationally is a massive pain. You can pick up a really nice farm property for peanuts compared to the UK, and house prices generally are very affordable outside the Copenhagen area. Thanks for the info and enjoy your afternoon 👍🙈
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Post by MungO on Oct 18, 2021 11:43:49 GMT
I think you have to take some comments ( not necessarily on this thread!) with a pinch of salt - they have clearly been inserted in order to provoke a reaction. Of course, the last four results have been disappointing and our next win can’t come soon enough but we’re still in touch with the promotion places and we’re not losing many games. Bringing in a manager with KJ’s experience and track record was always going to increase fan expectations- despite any assertions to the contrary. Tuesday night will be significant but not season defining - one way or the other! The Board have made a substantial commitment and I’m sure recognise that the current bad patch can be worked through given the people they have in charge.👍 We all hope this bad patch ends soon. Tuesday Will do nicely. But our position in the table doesn’t detract from the fact that we have dropped 9 points in 4 games, points that would have significantly improved our position in the table and ultimately our chances of playoffs and promotion. Heads in sand helps nobody. Teague made his feelings known. This has been a damaging run. We will only know come the end of the season how defining it was. Let’s hope it turns out to have made no difference at all. But for sure it needs to end and we need to start winning, season on season we haven’t improved and KJ, results wise, is not delivering much more than Ross. Despite that investment. That has to improve and no glossing over the cracks changes that. The team and too many of the players are going backwards. We need to start winning. I don’t want us on Tuesday to have won 3 from 15 points. No disputing the results have been damaging as opposed to as if we'd have won them instead of drawing them. But it's 4 games or possibly 5 come Tuesday across a season. In isolation it's a diabolical situation. In context things look ok. It's very rare that a team will go an entire season without having a dip in form, performance, etc. It'll happen at one point to Forest Green too. But you know this already. I'm sure that at the start of the season we'd have all taken only losing 2 games with a quarter of the season gone. That form over a season would mean we'd lose 8 games all season. Just had a quick look over the last 5 seasons and the top finishing team have all lost more than 8 games all season (bar Crewe a couple of years back).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 12:07:19 GMT
Will all you dreamers talking about how we have only lost 2 games get real. It is of no consequence. Our points tally record if continued to the end of the season WILL NOT get us any where near the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 12:10:08 GMT
We all hope this bad patch ends soon. Tuesday Will do nicely. But our position in the table doesn’t detract from the fact that we have dropped 9 points in 4 games, points that would have significantly improved our position in the table and ultimately our chances of playoffs and promotion. Heads in sand helps nobody. Teague made his feelings known. This has been a damaging run. We will only know come the end of the season how defining it was. Let’s hope it turns out to have made no difference at all. But for sure it needs to end and we need to start winning, season on season we haven’t improved and KJ, results wise, is not delivering much more than Ross. Despite that investment. That has to improve and no glossing over the cracks changes that. The team and too many of the players are going backwards. We need to start winning. I don’t want us on Tuesday to have won 3 from 15 points. No disputing the results have been damaging as opposed to as if we'd have won them instead of drawing them. But it's 4 games or possibly 5 come Tuesday across a season. In isolation it's a diabolical situation. In context things look ok. It's very rare that a team will go an entire season without having a dip in form, performance, etc. It'll happen at one point to Forest Green too. But you know this already. I'm sure that at the start of the season we'd have all taken only losing 2 games with a quarter of the season gone. That form over a season would mean we'd lose 8 games all season. Just had a quick look over the last 5 seasons and the top finishing team have all lost more than 8 games all season (bar Crewe a couple of years back). Not going to deny that loosing only the two games isn’t a bad thing Mungo but we have only won 4 and drawn 6 and that simply isn’t good enough in my book. It’s not promotion form. Most teams above us have won at least 6 and FGR 8. The alarming thing to me is we simply can’t break teams down and turn those draws into wins. All very well saying we have solid defence (which we have) but no cutting edge or the ability to close games out. The board have put up money to bring Jacket in and now it’s time for him to start earning it. He’s had as far as I know a free hand to bring his own players into the club? To my mind he’s bought well as far as the defence is concerned but he certainly hasn’t bought any outstanding midfielders in and the jury is still out on forwards. Whenever I see him interviewed he always praises the other team sometimes two or three times,and it’s no good saying afterward what we should have done. Tomorrow will be or could be a turning point in the season. He needs a win. The supporters need a win. The club needs a win.🙈
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Post by MungO on Oct 18, 2021 12:47:40 GMT
A win would be timely about now for everyone.
Agree that the last 4 or 5 games haven't been promotion form.
But that is exactly what it is. Form.
Our form prior to that was good.
If we win the next 5 games (after Forest Green of course) then our form will have picked up. But we then shouldn't think we'll win every game for the rest of the season. Just like we shouldn't be thinking now we won't win a game for the foreseeable.
Only exceptional teams will go through a season without a drop in form. I can't actually think of a team that didn't drop off a bit at one point.
While I think we're good and will be promoted, I don't think we're amazing and will walk the league like Forest Green who will have it wrapped up sometime between Xmas and Easter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 12:57:15 GMT
Why can't we beat FGR. We are in poor form but at our best we can win a home game against anyone.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 18, 2021 13:08:11 GMT
I think there is a significant difference between “ having heads in the sand” and taking a reasoned stance over what has been a run of four winless games tbh! My own view is that KJ is delivering more than Ross although of course results are always the final arbiter. The Board - I think - will give time for the investment they’ve made to bear fruit. I’d be interested to hear your views on what the viable alternatives are at this stage if after Tuesday night we have won 3 from 15 points? The viable alternatives for points already lost? There are none. The options for Tuesday. KJ needs to use his wealth of experience and the quality in our squad and start playing in a way that means we actually get a few shots on target. That would be a start. And is not too much to expect. Our forward play on Saturday was woeful. Totally unacceptable. Disgraceful. No other way to describe it. Against a team who had not even achieved an away clean sheet! Mansfield, Barrow, Walsall. They all did a number on us, we were just not smart enough to cope. And let’s not talk about the last 3 minutes at Port Vale. Can’t remember the game last season but Ross got ripped to shreds for zero shots on target. KJ gets an easy ride. That is not the way. What’s good for the goose! Points is the ONLY arbiter. Some seem relaxed at needless dropped points. Go look at last seasons table to see how just 3 or 4 points would have made a massive difference. Ask Southend fans. Ask Salford fans. Every point slung away is a big deal and that is what we have done. Wasted opportunities. Every point counts. So against FGR I expect to see some positive creative football with Smith given an opportunity or three. And a reduction in the needless punts up the middle, like the hoofs the Walsall defenders lapped up and dealt with on Saturday without breaking a sweat or just ferried out for goal kicks. I expect a massive improvement over Saturday. Am I asking too much? Don’t think so.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 18, 2021 14:32:12 GMT
I guess we’ll find out tomorrow night if you are asking too much or not!😁👍
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Post by redshank on Oct 18, 2021 16:29:55 GMT
I guess we’ll find out tomorrow night if you are asking too much or not!😁👍 A good summary of our situation.
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