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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 7:19:05 GMT
Think it’s about time for an honest assessment,for me Kenny Jacket hasn’t proved thus far better than any manager we have had in resent times,if Embleton was in charge at this precise moment people would be calling for his head and personally I cant understand why people are not beginning to question his decisions. Yes he’s bought in some good defenders admittedly but to my mind that’s it. I’m no Ling supporter but jackets brought in just as many sick notes as Ling did if not more. How many players has he brought in that have not been fit or we have had to wait for 8/10 games to see them start. Smyth for example got married and went on a bloody honeymoon and now people are saying”he will be a good player for us when he gets fit” you havin a laugh. We are more than a quarter way through the season and still haven’t seen the new Wimbledon recruit kick a ball in anger. As for the likes of Drinan and Smith? As for Smith the poor guy is up there on his own due to the fact Jacket keeps playing 3 up front using two wide men. What a crock. You saw last night that when we scored it started with Ruel attacking from the middle going slightly wide to score a very good goal. So how about this Mr Jacket,try playing your tall centre forward with someone along side him if your going to play direct like you do. Try playing a different formation to accommodate the style of football that you are playing. The teams we have drawing against and lost to are now beginning to over take us and we are starting to sink quicker than the titanic. Yep people will say “ but we’ve only lost two” but we’ve only won four and that simply is not good enough. Draw every game like we’ve been doing and we will end up in the bottom half or lower. Ask yourself why did did Jacket sign for us and not a Championship or a first division club? Is Jacket resting on his laurels and past history? Has much changed from last season? Yes the attitude and the feel of the club have improved but for me as I’ve said before the board have put money up for this manager it’s about time he started to earn it and so far as I’m concerned he hasn’t. Yep I know many and most won’t agree and I appreciate that🙈
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Post by buffalobill on Oct 20, 2021 7:40:42 GMT
He dropped 3-4-3 last night and played firstly Smyth and then Ruel alongside Smith, so you got your wish. Still didn’t turn us into world beaters unfortunately. Injured players are an issue, but you get a new manager in and it takes time to assess the squad and what is needed, so we were always going to be behind in player recruitment. Still think we will come good, whereas under Ross I hoped we would come good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 7:54:43 GMT
He dropped 3-4-3 last night and played firstly Smyth and then Ruel alongside Smith, so you got your wish. Still didn’t turn us into world beaters unfortunately. Injured players are an issue, but you get a new manager in and it takes time to assess the squad and what is needed, so we were always going to be behind in player recruitment. Still think we will come good, whereas under Ross I hoped we would come good. Admittedly bill I wasn’t at the game last night but did catch the goals on the box. So he brought Ruel on and by default had him going through the middle along side Smith and wonder of wonders they score 💁 I think that proves my point to a certain degree not that I’m saying you need to play 2 up front every game but Ruel plays better down the middle and is capable of scoring. I just don’t know why Jacket can’t see it? Actually I do know🙈
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Post by vinnyh on Oct 20, 2021 9:08:38 GMT
What I would say is we don't know how much involvement Jackett had in the signings, or indeed the ones we have signed were first choices or some way down the list. Does seems though that we blew our budget on Jackett, Gallen, Paul Smyth and Pratley.
The formation we are playing isn't creative enough, as neither James nor Wood are getting forward enough, so it's more like 5-2-3.
We need to go back to the formation and team we were playing before Mitchell arrived (which was basically the same time that we went to 3 at the back and play Drinnan over Smith.
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Post by redintheface on Oct 20, 2021 10:18:02 GMT
Sorry monkeyman but you lost me with your opening sentence!😄👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 10:55:10 GMT
Sorry monkeyman but you lost me with your opening sentence!😄👍 Funny the other arf always says that🤔🙈
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 11:02:27 GMT
What I would say is we don't know how much involvement Jackett had in the signings, or indeed the ones we have signed were first choices or some way down the list. Does seems though that we blew our budget on Jackett, Gallen, Paul Smyth and Pratley. The formation we are playing isn't creative enough, as neither James nor Wood are getting forward enough, so it's more like 5-2-3. We need to go back to the formation and team we were playing before Mitchell arrived (which was basically the same time that we went to 3 at the back and play Drinnan over Smith. Think I can answer that vinnyh,in a resent pod cast ML said that he has no involvement as far as the players that Jacket has wanted to bring in and ML seems a honest man and I believe him. An interesting point for me is that Gallen seems to be doing all the interviews now and I wonder how much Jacket is actually doing? Just an observation not a criticism🙈
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Post by Timmo on Oct 20, 2021 11:13:01 GMT
KJ did the interview after the Walsall game and as far as I can see Joe Gallen has conducted only four after match interviews, last night and one when KJ was not feeling too well, the other two were the EFL Cup games against Southampton and Crawley.
KJ also has done nearly all the pre match interviews this season on you tube. He is working as hard as ever!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 11:28:11 GMT
KJ did the interview after the Walsall game and as far as I can see Joe Gallen has conducted only four after match interviews, last night and one when KJ was not feeling too well, the other two were the EFL Cup games against Southampton and Crawley. KJ also has done nearly all the pre match interviews this season on you tube. He is working as hard as ever! Fair enough🙊
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Post by northeasto on Oct 20, 2021 11:57:45 GMT
He dropped 3-4-3 last night and played firstly Smyth and then Ruel alongside Smith, so you got your wish. Still didn’t turn us into world beaters unfortunately. Injured players are an issue, but you get a new manager in and it takes time to assess the squad and what is needed, so we were always going to be behind in player recruitment. Still think we will come good, whereas under Ross I hoped we would come good. Admittedly bill I wasn’t at the game last night but did catch the goals on the box. So he brought Ruel on and by default had him going through the middle along side Smith and wonder of wonders they score 💁 I think that proves my point to a certain degree not that I’m saying you need to play 2 up front every game but Ruel plays better down the middle and is capable of scoring. I just don’t know why Jacket can’t see it? Actually I do know🙈 Go on......
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Post by alfresco on Oct 20, 2021 12:20:04 GMT
I was a huge Jackett supporter. Before he came here, i was posting, that he would be the ideal choice, and was absolutely delighted, when he signed for us.
I am slightly disappointed with how things have gone up to this point.
With our budget, being one of the highest in this league, 10th place after 12 games, isnt great IMO.
Some of the signings, whilst an improvement over what was here before, are still not top drawer for this division.
Apart from signing better quality players in January, I cant quite put my finger on what to do, to get that slightly improved performance, that would lead to winning games, but if we want to be in league 1 next year, then we have to find a better way of playing
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 12:58:28 GMT
Admittedly bill I wasn’t at the game last night but did catch the goals on the box. So he brought Ruel on and by default had him going through the middle along side Smith and wonder of wonders they score 💁 I think that proves my point to a certain degree not that I’m saying you need to play 2 up front every game but Ruel plays better down the middle and is capable of scoring. I just don’t know why Jacket can’t see it? Actually I do know🙈 Go on...... Will try to explain northeasto but I’m not that great at putting things down,as I’m better explaining face to face. From what I saw in my time in the game(not on the game😂) young coaches and people that are involved with pro clubs simply don’t say what they actually think,there to frightened because it may jeopardise there chances at a club. Coaches look at other teams such as Pep Guardiola at Manchester City and think because they play a certain way a certain system we should. It’s the modern way and you don’t want to rock the boat by saying it doesn’t work. Last season Embleton refused to play two up front together or a different system and it cost him his job. Jobi didn’t change the formation or system to that existent and it cost him his job. Jacket has brought in a big centre foreword in and a couple of good wingers and yet fails to use them as they should be used. Just because it’s not the modern way to play wingers and two up front. To my mind Jacket is reluctant to use wingers or play two up front together just because it’s not the modern way. To me if you want to get out of this division you do it any which way you can even if it means going old school🙈
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Post by buffalobill on Oct 20, 2021 13:39:32 GMT
MM, Kenny has changed his formation around more than once this season, I'm guessing because he sees an advantage against a certain opponent, so I see that as a strength of his, that he is not stuck in his ways.
I get that you advocate 4-4-2 and yes having two wingers, Archibald and Smyth with Ruel and Smith up front may well be the way KJ goes, but until the last game Smyth certainly wasn't fit enough to start a game, so you choose your formation to best suit the available players and how you want to match up against the opposition.
I don't think there are any mugs managing teams in this league, technical qualities of the players has improved, so if we were to play 4-4-2 each and every week, we would pretty soon be found out and teams would stop our wingers getting crosses in. The fact that we have a squad which is capable of switching between 4-4-2, 3-5-2, 3-4-3 and 4-3-3 and variations in between is going to hold us in good stead going forward. KJ brought these players in with that in mind and for me that makes him a coach who is totally flexible about which formation he plays.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 14:09:43 GMT
MM, Kenny has changed his formation around more than once this season, I'm guessing because he sees an advantage against a certain opponent, so I see that as a strength of his, that he is not stuck in his ways. I get that you advocate 4-4-2 and yes having two wingers, Archibald and Smyth with Ruel and Smith up front may well be the way KJ goes, but until the last game Smyth certainly wasn't fit enough to start a game, so you choose your formation to best suit the available players and how you want to match up against the opposition. I don't think there are any mugs managing teams in this league, technical qualities of the players has improved, so if we were to play 4-4-2 each and every week, we would pretty soon be found out and teams would stop our wingers getting crosses in. The fact that we have a squad which is capable of switching between 4-4-2, 3-5-2, 3-4-3 and 4-3-3 and variations in between is going to hold us in good stead going forward. KJ brought these players in with that in mind and for me that makes him a coach who is totally flexible about which formation he plays. I wouldn’t disagree with most of that statement bill,however you can’t overlook the fact for most of the season that he has played 3 up front with 2 wide men and many have said we are lacking creativity or bodies in midfield and quite frankly some have said (not me) we are easy to work out. Think you may have me a little wrong in the fact I favour 442,I don’t. I think it’s horses for courses and what ever it takes to win a game but we have a big lump up front and 2/3 good wingers I think we should use them as such🙈
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Post by dohnut on Oct 20, 2021 17:42:22 GMT
What’s changed this season over last as of today?
Points, goals scored and conceded, not much difference League position. Not much difference Win runs followed by poor runs. No different
Entertaining football, yes and by some margin.
Expectations for the future. The big plus. Under Ross that just wasn’t realistically there. Under KJ it is.
It’s fair to say that if Ross delivered what KJ has so far, people would be calling for his head. KJ is getting an easy ride not because of current results but because we all believe that come the second half of the season we will fly.
We wait and see and as ever live in hope. And that too is no different to any other season.
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Post by osoldest on Oct 20, 2021 18:10:49 GMT
I have said consistently that our downturn in form is due to playing 3 centre backs, and I stand by that. Our full backs are not dynamic wing backs. I would like to see just 2 centre backs , and with what we’ve got the 2 in central midfield, archibald and smyth on the flanks and dropping into midfield as needed, and smith/ drinnan or smith sotirou, or drinnan / sotirou up front. Hoofing it up to smith just doesn’t work. Moving the ball quickly on the ground does.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 20, 2021 18:32:57 GMT
I have said consistently that our downturn in form is due to playing 3 centre backs, and I stand by that. Our full backs are not dynamic wing backs. I would like to see just 2 centre backs , and with what we’ve got the 2 in central midfield, archibald and smyth on the flanks and dropping into midfield as needed, and smith/ drinnan or smith sotirou, or drinnan / sotirou up front. Hoofing it up to smith just doesn’t work. Moving the ball quickly on the ground does. I think you are doing James an injustice. He is Taylor-made for the wing back role. Woods less so. The James/Woods pairing are light years ahead of anything we had last season and able to play the wing back roles. Both are capable of providing attacking options down the wide areas. I have no real problems with systems, to be honest I don’t know enough about our squad and best 11 to form am opinion. In fact I think during games we see players switching around so I’m not convinced we need to adopt any rigid system. 3-4-3 offers the opportunity to change during the game. I have to defer to KJ knowledge. What just isn’t working is how we use Smith. He is wasted. That is something I just don’t get. Hoofball. What a waste. We have players who to me perform well when the ball is moved on the deck and at speed. Cross to Smith from wide areas, not down the middle.
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Post by jimbo1983 on Oct 20, 2021 19:04:17 GMT
A> Rome wasn't built in a day B> we all knew before KJ was appointed his tactics. But they are tried and tested and they work. Give them time to settle and the team and management time to grow and all will be good. Embleton wa given alot longer and no real progression that was the difference. We are moaning after 3 months into the season with an experienced manager. Time will tell. Let KJ work his magic. In KJ we trust
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Post by dohnut on Oct 20, 2021 20:32:39 GMT
A> Rome wasn't built in a day B> we all knew before KJ was appointed his tactics. But they are tried and tested and they work. Give them time to settle and the team and management time to grow and all will be good. Embleton wa given alot longer and no real progression that was the difference. We are moaning after 3 months into the season with an experienced manager. Time will tell. Let KJ work his magic. In KJ we trust There is a lot of us who hope we see a major improvement in results. In the meantime I guess we just have to put up with games where we fail to get shots on target or actually win. But as it stands we are in fact getting worse. From 2nd to 10th. No point in accepting otherwise. Fact. They seemed to have settled well up to the Bristol Rovers game. Very well in fact. We So the give them time to settle point just don’t stack up. Current stats are damned awful. We need to accept we are in decline, the facts prove this, hope it’s temporary and we start winning again and soon. Then we won’t have to keep making excuses. Saturday is a big game. 6 without a win is nothing short of abysmal no matter how you dress it up.
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Post by jimbo1983 on Oct 20, 2021 22:20:04 GMT
A> Rome wasn't built in a day B> we all knew before KJ was appointed his tactics. But they are tried and tested and they work. Give them time to settle and the team and management time to grow and all will be good. Embleton wa given alot longer and no real progression that was the difference. We are moaning after 3 months into the season with an experienced manager. Time will tell. Let KJ work his magic. In KJ we trust There is a lot of us who hope we see a major improvement in results. In the meantime I guess we just have to put up with games where we fail to get shots on target or actually win. But as it stands we are in fact getting worse. From 2nd to 10th. No point in accepting otherwise. Fact. They seemed to have settled well up to the Bristol Rovers game. Very well in fact. We So the give them time to settle point just don’t stack up. Current stats are damned awful. We need to accept we are in decline, the facts prove this, hope it’s temporary and we start winning again and soon. Then we won’t have to keep making excuses. Saturday is a big game. 6 without a win is nothing short of abysmal no matter how you dress it up. We are 3 points off 4th... There's a fact as well. At this point of the season one or two wins and you move alot of places in the league. 6 without a win is poor that is true. Most teams will have spells where things don't go well. Good teams get something from those games. Hopefully that's what we are doing picking up draws etc. I hope we go on a little run soon enough. Confidence will hopefully come back. In KJ we trust. As someone else stated look at other teams who people thought would do well with experienced managers... Salford, Bradford etc.
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