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Post by blip the thrOttle on Apr 23, 2024 12:37:43 GMT
Interesting interview, bigger budget for next season but not a top six budget, looking for Matt Harrold's replacement.
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Post by redshank on Apr 23, 2024 16:29:52 GMT
Good interview,he spoke clearly about how we will improve the matchday experience.Good to hear the fanbase age is coming down.The newcomers will become what us olduns are,lifelong supporters.I always shake the hand of new patrons tell them welcome to Orient and make them feel this is the club to support.
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Post by Thor on Apr 23, 2024 19:54:44 GMT
Decent words backed up with real progress oth on and off the pitch, things are looking up for us.
One downer we got a card from royal mail telling us we had to pay £5 for postage as the sender never paid for any. My wife duly paid and its was a season ticket reminder letter from the club despite us renewing ours a few weeks ago! Ahhhhhh
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Post by dubioushubris on Apr 23, 2024 20:16:25 GMT
Decent words backed up with real progress oth on and off the pitch, things are looking up for us. One downer we got a card from royal mail telling us we had to pay £5 for postage as the sender never paid for any. My wife duly paid and its was a season ticket reminder letter from the club despite us renewing ours a few weeks ago! Ahhhhhh Only a fiver for a funny story? Good deal that. |
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Post by Fisch on Apr 23, 2024 22:43:35 GMT
I would like him to tell us if the main "challenges" to balance things up a bit. PA system an example.
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Post by redshank on Apr 24, 2024 10:07:34 GMT
I would like him to tell us if the main "challenges" to balance things up a bit. PA system an example. That is pp for sure.I had one of the 30 bob transistor radios that sounded better.I called it my bean can because of how we made out we could hear each other with a piece of string between two bean cans when young lads.All you heard was their shouting within range. |
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Post by 1881ac65 on Apr 24, 2024 15:16:43 GMT
On a previous update -they said nothing would be done regarding the PA this close season as there were other priorities.
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Post by dohnut on Apr 24, 2024 16:50:34 GMT
On a previous update -they said nothing would be done regarding the PA this close season as there were other priorities. Have to say I agree. The PA system ain’t great but it’s adequate and I’m sure money can be better invested elsewhere. |
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Post by estaing on Apr 24, 2024 17:21:07 GMT
I don’t have to say anything
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Post by redshank on Apr 24, 2024 17:22:53 GMT
On a previous update -they said nothing would be done regarding the PA this close season as there were other priorities. Fair comment I suppose. |
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Post by Fisch on Apr 24, 2024 22:55:41 GMT
The PA thing was a bad example from me, I just feel a little uneasy at Mark's relentless good news - I expected him to say "and that's not all folks! buy now and we'll fit it free...."
He's certainly the salesman.
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Post by eca on Apr 24, 2024 23:19:18 GMT
The PA thing was a bad example from me, I just feel a little uneasy at Mark's relentless good news - I expected him to say "and that's not all folks! buy now and we'll fit it free...." He's certainly the salesman. I partially agree with you. However, he has to focus on all the achievements or KPIs with all the off-field reporting because that is his job. To attract further investments, he has to focus and present the interview that way. I have raised before the ratio of non-playing costs to turnover. I be interested to know from Mark what the % is and how it compares with other clubs of a similar fan base in League 1 and 2 adjusted for London. I would like to also have a breakdown of those costs and a % with a comparison of other similar size clubs in League 1. Nigel has emphasized in his various interviews that he is satisfied the off-field infrastructure in terms of manpower is required to be in place ready to go up the next level. I would have gone about this a different way - keep the costs as lean as possible and develop if and when the club may get promoted. I notice there is a Chief Operating Officer and other staff with titles with the word "manager". I guess it's their money and if they are satisfied that it really. I read Exeter made a profit and i think Accr. Stanley did too. In Exeter's case over recent years, they have sold a few high-priced players which distorts the revenue comparison. I read somewhere the sum of what LOFC paid out for agents. If possible, I would attempt to sign players that do not use agents. Players I believe can seek advice if needed from the PFA. Agents take too much money out the game. RW it appears also to use an Agent and that surprises me that he cannot discuss direct to the club on his new contract. That agent is taking a fee from one of the two parties or may even be both. RW is intelligent and strong minded he can do it on his own to save some money. |
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Post by confucius on Apr 25, 2024 6:44:20 GMT
The PA thing was a bad example from me, I just feel a little uneasy at Mark's relentless good news - I expected him to say "and that's not all folks! buy now and we'll fit it free...." He's certainly the salesman. Confucius say: ‘Why dwell on negativity? There are so many great things in life to focus upon.’ |
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Post by dubioushubris on Apr 25, 2024 7:25:37 GMT
If possible, I would attempt to sign players that do not use agents. Players I believe can seek advice if needed from the PFA. Agents take too much money out the game. Even at this level that would narrow the pool to essentially nothing. |
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Post by redshank on Apr 25, 2024 10:38:17 GMT
If possible, I would attempt to sign players that do not use agents. Players I believe can seek advice if needed from the PFA. Agents take too much money out the game. Even at this level that would narrow the pool to essentially nothing. Plus their perpetual ear bending. |
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Post by dohnut on Apr 25, 2024 11:53:28 GMT
If possible, I would attempt to sign players that do not use agents. Players I believe can seek advice if needed from the PFA. Agents take too much money out the game. Even at this level that would narrow the pool to essentially nothing. The use of agents makes sense to me, though their fees may be too high but that’s another matter. No matter how well you get on with someone, contract negotiations can be fraught with issues as middle ground is sought, even more so when both are strong minded colleagues. The risk is there that a very good working relationship can be damaged. The use of an intermediary means they take the strain, the flack and the irritation leaving the working relationship between the two negotiating parties intact. Everyone can dislike the agent. |
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Post by eca on Apr 25, 2024 12:53:53 GMT
Even at this level that would narrow the pool to essentially nothing. The use of agents makes sense to me, though their fees may be too high but that’s another matter. No matter how well you get on with someone, contract negotiations can be fraught with issues as middle ground is sought, even more so when both are strong minded colleagues. The risk is there that a very good working relationship can be damaged. The use of an intermediary means they take the strain, the flack and the irritation leaving the working relationship between the two negotiating parties intact. Everyone can dislike the agent. I disagree with the hypothetical situation of negativity. I could list reasons why it would be more attractive for both parties to discuss their contract offer and agree direct- unless a player is called Tommy and is deaf, dumb and blind I personally prefer direct offer - consideration - and either accept or decline. The one only advantage is an agent can play the game knowing what other players have agreed. |
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Post by dohnut on Apr 26, 2024 5:45:39 GMT
The use of agents makes sense to me, though their fees may be too high but that’s another matter. No matter how well you get on with someone, contract negotiations can be fraught with issues as middle ground is sought, even more so when both are strong minded colleagues. The risk is there that a very good working relationship can be damaged. The use of an intermediary means they take the strain, the flack and the irritation leaving the working relationship between the two negotiating parties intact. Everyone can dislike the agent. I disagree with the hypothetical situation of negativity. I could list reasons why it would be more attractive for both parties to discuss their contract offer and agree direct- unless a player is called Tommy and is deaf, dumb and blind I personally prefer direct offer - consideration - and either accept or decline. The one only advantage is an agent can play the game knowing what other players have agreed. Fair enough. I guess we will both be affected by experience and perhaps yours are better than mine. Though the situations I describe are not hypothetical in my experience. 👍 |
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Post by eca on Apr 26, 2024 6:59:18 GMT
I disagree with the hypothetical situation of negativity. I could list reasons why it would be more attractive for both parties to discuss their contract offer and agree direct- unless a player is called Tommy and is deaf, dumb and blind I personally prefer direct offer - consideration - and either accept or decline. The one only advantage is an agent can play the game knowing what other players have agreed. Fair enough. I guess we will both be affected by experience and perhaps yours are better than mine. Though the situations I describe are not hypothetical in my experience. 👍 You focus on the negative way it could go . I am British and seem to always be negative in my risk assessments - however in this case of agents I am following the positive approach of Australians which I encounter everyday. I genuinely believe the average footballer would be better served by discussing their employment opportunities and terms direct. Using an expensive mouthpiece to replicate my instructions is not the way I like. Dealing direct one can establish first hand attributes of the future employer of loyalty transparency etc - that works both ways for the employer. There are many other advantages I could list too. |
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Post by dohnut on Apr 26, 2024 13:31:14 GMT
Fair enough. I guess we will both be affected by experience and perhaps yours are better than mine. Though the situations I describe are not hypothetical in my experience. 👍 You focus on the negative way it could go . I am British and seem to always be negative in my risk assessments - however in this case of agents I am following the positive approach of Australians which I encounter everyday. I genuinely believe the average footballer would be better served by discussing their employment opportunities and terms direct. Using an expensive mouthpiece to replicate my instructions is not the way I like. Dealing direct one can establish first hand attributes of the future employer of loyalty transparency etc - that works both ways for the employer. There are many other advantages I could list too. My focus is not on employing staff, but contractors. Different beasts. Players are not members of staff as such and not trying to be unkind, many perhaps don’t have the skills nor the experience to know what they are entitled to or how far to push. Negotiation is a real skill. Agents Do not replicate instructions, far from it. An agent is or should be a skilled negotiator able to determine what his/her client can expect from their employer and make sure the employer too is very clear on expectations. Getting the right deal, win/win. And in my experience they generally do compared to people who go it alone. I employed contractors for over 20 years and formed my opinions based on that. Not negative at all. In fact I can see the use of agents at times positive. Not talking about how much they cost of course. That may well be different in football. But we all have different experiences which is fair enough. What worked for me in my industry may not apply elsewhere. I appreciate that. |
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