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Post by mujtahido on Feb 23, 2022 15:33:56 GMT
I mystified as to what went wrong every interview with Kenny or Gallen gave me a sense that the club was in safe hands they both spoke confidently and both spoke well especially Gallen I just can’t see how we can do much better in terms of know how and experience and for me any appointment we make will now be a massive gamble and I think our owners should have held their nerves if someone can name a manager with better credentials than what we had I’d be happy to hear them sensible names only please
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Post by estaing on Feb 23, 2022 15:55:45 GMT
My guess is the poor quality of players Kenny brought into the club. I know there is the transfer committe but its always been said, only players that the manager wants are agreed by this committee and signed up.
Did he want other players that were rejected by the committee? Who knows.
But lets face it, under Kennny Jackett we have signed player that Orient would not normally accept. I am open to young players being signed, but I cannot accept Pratley, not just signed but immediately brought in as Captain ! and Nouble!! Other signings are just OK, but none were outstanding signings
For a man of Kenny's experience and especially his contacts I have been very disappointed in lack of good players he brought to the club.
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Post by redintheface on Feb 23, 2022 16:12:50 GMT
I mystified as to what went wrong every interview with Kenny or Gallen gave me a sense that the club was in safe hands they both spoke confidently and both spoke well especially Gallen I just can’t see how we can do much better in terms of know how and experience and for me any appointment we make will now be a massive gamble and I think our owners should have held their nerves if someone can name a manager with better credentials than what we had I’d be happy to hear them sensible names only please As I said elsewhere it’s unlikely that whoever the Board ultimately select as a replacement will come in to the same degree of approval that KJ got from the fans . Nor , I suspect with an equivalent level of experience and prior track record as Jackett. I agree that - despite the awful run of results since the New Year- the sacking was both ill advised and certainly badly timed. Given that according to Travis the “ process” to find a replacement as only just begun the omens do not seem that great for a successful outcome imho. As to “ sensible “ names it’s anyones guess really. Like a lot of others the Board surprised me when they appointed KJ in June - especially given Ling’s previous pronouncements on the the sort of managers who would consider coming to E10. If an experienced man is preferred then could imagine someone like Nigel Adkins or Chris Powell might tick a few of the boxes. Darren Ferguson is another. If it’s a younger man then someone from the NL like Woodman at Bromley or Garrard at Boreham Wood could be possibles i suppose. Whether any of them would interested given the way the club has conducted business with some of its recent managerial appointments is another matter of course. We can only wait and see how the recruitment process is handled this time around and see if lessons have been learned from previous experiences.👍 |
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Post by mujtahido on Feb 23, 2022 16:14:50 GMT
All I can think of is that players such as Archibald,James,Smythe and Pratley took up a lot of the budget and once they were out long term there wasn’t any room in the budget to bring in players as good or better I still think without injuries we were as good as any team in the league I reckon Jackett was a bit unlucky overall
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Post by redshank on Feb 23, 2022 16:18:37 GMT
I tried to see those players mentioned good points,probably because they play for Leyton Orient.I could add a few more but reserve judgement due to their age.
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Post by redshank on Feb 23, 2022 16:20:25 GMT
I tried to see those players mentioned good points,probably because they play for Leyton Orient.I could add a few more but reserve judgement due to their age. estaings comment as my reference. |
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Post by blackcat on Feb 23, 2022 17:02:03 GMT
I'm surprised anyone is surprised that a manager whose team have collected two points from their last ten matches has been sacked.
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Post by MungO on Feb 23, 2022 18:03:52 GMT
I mystified as to what went wrong every interview with Kenny or Gallen gave me a sense that the club was in safe hands they both spoke confidently and both spoke well especially Gallen I just can’t see how we can do much better in terms of know how and experience and for me any appointment we make will now be a massive gamble and I think our owners should have held their nerves if someone can name a manager with better credentials than what we had I’d be happy to hear them sensible names only please We won't get better or more experienced in the game than KJ. He was going through a terrible time with terrible players available. Harrold is as good as anyone we can get. |
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Post by MungO on Feb 23, 2022 18:07:51 GMT
Any manager who is in the frame will obviously give Kenny a call and ask what went wrong. I know I would.
And he'll tell them. Practically impossible to sign the players you want and a Director of Football that just won't cut it out and makes himself busy all the time.
And then any manager with choices won't fancy it anymore.
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Post by estaing on Feb 23, 2022 18:23:28 GMT
Any manager who is in the frame will obviously give Kenny a call and ask what went wrong. I know I would. And he'll tell them. Practically impossible to sign the players you want and a Director of Football that just won't cut it out and makes himself busy all the time. And then any manager with choices won't fancy it anymore. Mungo, step back and remember: Kenny wanted and got PRATLEY in as Captain - Kenny Wanted and got NOUBLE Kenny wanted and got REILLY Kenny wanted and got SMYTH Kenny wanted and got THOMPSON Did KJ want somebody he could not get? Who knows, but the players he did get were not outstanding. Any decent manager will call many people but must still see Orient as a good club with marvellous owners. Don't put the blame on Ling. |
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Post by blip the thrOttle on Feb 23, 2022 18:38:08 GMT
I mystified as to what went wrong every interview with Kenny or Gallen gave me a sense that the club was in safe hands they both spoke confidently and both spoke well especially Gallen I just can’t see how we can do much better in terms of know how and experience and for me any appointment we make will now be a massive gamble and I think our owners should have held their nerves if someone can name a manager with better credentials than what we had I’d be happy to hear them sensible names only please All I can think is that for whatever reason KJ & JG lost the dressing room. |
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Post by MungO on Feb 23, 2022 19:08:57 GMT
Any manager who is in the frame will obviously give Kenny a call and ask what went wrong. I know I would. And he'll tell them. Practically impossible to sign the players you want and a Director of Football that just won't cut it out and makes himself busy all the time. And then any manager with choices won't fancy it anymore. Mungo, step back and remember: Kenny wanted and got PRATLEY in as Captain - Kenny Wanted and got NOUBLE Kenny wanted and got REILLY Kenny wanted and got SMYTH Kenny wanted and got THOMPSON Did KJ want somebody he could not get? Who knows, but the players he did get were not outstanding. Any decent manager will call many people but must still see Orient as a good club with marvellous owners. Don't put the blame on Ling. Not quite right. Pratley, Smyth and Reilly. Yes he wanted. Thompson was already here. Nouble and Ray are loans and beefed up the squad. Coleman or Brown weren't on Kenny's list. I mentioned yesterday that the midfielders on Kenny's list for January were: Ben Thompson (Millwall now Gillingham) Anthony Evans (Bristol Rovers) Jon Nolan (Ipswich then Free Agent now Bristol Rovers) Dan Crowley (Cheltenham then Free Agent now Willem II) And I think you'll agree that the standard of the four above are a marked improvement on our current midfield. So did Kenny want Brown or Coleman? No. Were players offered to him that was basically a like it or lump it? Yes. So technically he did want bodies in the building but nowhere near the calibre of what other teams around us were signing. I actually think the players we've signed are decent enough to pad out a squad. But they haven't made us better. Coupled with the players out injured and we're worse off now than when we started in August. |
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Post by redintheface on Feb 23, 2022 19:23:59 GMT
I mystified as to what went wrong every interview with Kenny or Gallen gave me a sense that the club was in safe hands they both spoke confidently and both spoke well especially Gallen I just can’t see how we can do much better in terms of know how and experience and for me any appointment we make will now be a massive gamble and I think our owners should have held their nerves if someone can name a manager with better credentials than what we had I’d be happy to hear them sensible names only please All I can think is that for whatever reason KJ & JG lost the dressing room. I can only base my view on what I saw on the pitch and I can honestly say I don’t think that was the case Even last night, the players seemed to be giving 100% and created enough chances to at least have stuck a couple away. Difficult to legislate for clear chances being missed. |
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Post by blip the thrOttle on Feb 23, 2022 19:26:00 GMT
All I can think is that for whatever reason KJ & JG lost the dressing room. I can only base my view on what I saw on the pitch and I can honestly say I don’t think that was the case Even last night, the players seemed to be giving 100% and created enough chances to at least have stuck a couple away. Difficult to legislate for clear chances being missed. Fair enuff Red. |
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Post by estaing on Feb 23, 2022 20:03:43 GMT
Mungo. Accept what you say but why did Kenny agree to have loan of Ray and Nouble, both no use.
And you say that Kenny wanted :Thompson, Evans, Nolan and Crowley. Was this just paper talk ? If not - Did he make a strong plea/ case to get them if he really really wanted them? A strong manager I would expect to keep on saying. “ I want this player, get him ,”
I cannot believe players were signed brought into the club against KJ s wishes and KJ told to like it or lump it.
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Post by MungO on Feb 23, 2022 20:23:28 GMT
Mungo. Accept what you say but why did Kenny agree to have loan of Ray and Nouble, both no use. And you say that Kenny wanted :Thompson, Evans, Nolan and Crowley. Was this just paper talk ? If not - Did he make a strong plea/ case to get them if he really really wanted them? A strong manager I would expect to keep on saying. “ I want this player, get him ,” I cannot believe players were signed brought into the club against KJ s wishes and KJ told to like it or lump it. I like Nouble and Ray. They've been decent enough and as loans it made sense to cover injuries. I thought Nouble at Exeter worked his socks off and was our main threat against Salford. We lost when he went off. Gallen spoke openly in the pub a couple of weeks back about who their targets were. Think it was after the Salford game. Crowley wasn't mentioned but Nigel said we were in for him in his interview on the club's website. My take on it is that KJ's hands were tied by the budget and the players we got were the only realistic options available. Basically you either take these players or nothing. There's a clear difference between the level of players wanted though (league one ready and experienced) and the players we got. |
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Post by Thor on Feb 23, 2022 21:41:02 GMT
So Kenny was shafted by the board and transfer committee. Wow. I wouldn’t have sacked him as we need stability and continuity yet we fail to give him the tools to do the job, give him sub standard materials and be told now turn that into gold. When that don’t happen here you go sacked. Sounds a bit like fletch all over again, wanted Ross the boss out, wanted the sam ling out and 5 others and was told here you go, sacked. Patterns and all that.
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 23, 2022 21:50:11 GMT
Mungo. Accept what you say but why did Kenny agree to have loan of Ray and Nouble, both no use. And you say that Kenny wanted :Thompson, Evans, Nolan and Crowley. Was this just paper talk ? If not - Did he make a strong plea/ case to get them if he really really wanted them? A strong manager I would expect to keep on saying. “ I want this player, get him ,” I cannot believe players were signed brought into the club against KJ s wishes and KJ told to like it or lump it. I like Nouble and Ray. They've been decent enough and as loans it made sense to cover injuries. I thought Nouble at Exeter worked his socks off and was our main threat against Salford. We lost when he went off. Gallen spoke openly in the pub a couple of weeks back about who their targets were. Think it was after the Salford game. Crowley wasn't mentioned but Nigel said we were in for him in his interview on the club's website. My take on it is that KJ's hands were tied by the budget and the players we got were the only realistic options available. Basically you either take these players or nothing. There's a clear difference between the level of players wanted though (league one ready and experienced) and the players we got. Yes but this happens at every club. Budgets change all the time. Unless your pep or klopp you rarely get all your first choices. We are trying to be a well run club during a pandemic. Budgets are going to move and targets missed for whatever reason. It might not of even been budget reasons maybe the players themselves didn't want to move etc. I very much doubt it was like it or lump it. That's a bit harsh on the board and all the staff at orient. |
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Post by redintheface on Feb 23, 2022 21:53:26 GMT
I like Nouble and Ray. They've been decent enough and as loans it made sense to cover injuries. I thought Nouble at Exeter worked his socks off and was our main threat against Salford. We lost when he went off. Gallen spoke openly in the pub a couple of weeks back about who their targets were. Think it was after the Salford game. Crowley wasn't mentioned but Nigel said we were in for him in his interview on the club's website. My take on it is that KJ's hands were tied by the budget and the players we got were the only realistic options available. Basically you either take these players or nothing. There's a clear difference between the level of players wanted though (league one ready and experienced) and the players we got. Yes but this happens at every club. Budgets change all the time. Unless your pep or klopp you rarely get all your first choices. We are trying to be a well run club during a pandemic. Budgets are going to move and targets missed for whatever reason. It might not of even been budget reasons maybe the players themselves didn't want to move etc. I very much doubt it was like it or lump it. That's a bit harsh on the board and all the staff at orient. Jimbo, without trying to be facetious we may be trying to be a well run club but it really doesn’t feel like we are at this moment imho.😕 |
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 23, 2022 22:07:30 GMT
Yes but this happens at every club. Budgets change all the time. Unless your pep or klopp you rarely get all your first choices. We are trying to be a well run club during a pandemic. Budgets are going to move and targets missed for whatever reason. It might not of even been budget reasons maybe the players themselves didn't want to move etc. I very much doubt it was like it or lump it. That's a bit harsh on the board and all the staff at orient. Jimbo, without trying to be facetious we may be trying to be a well run club but it really doesn’t feel like we are at this moment imho.😕 Agreed. Just trying to make a point that we can't just blame the board saying they didn't give Kenny the tools. There is a balance to be made like any business. Rome wasn't built in a day so they say. Not many managers get all the players they want and spend what they want etc. The great Barry hearn promised to get orient into the Premier league in 5 years didn't he... took him 10 years to get out of league 2. Its a difficult business. |
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