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Post by redintheface on Nov 22, 2023 8:15:01 GMT
Just an observation from last nights line up and display against Lincoln but it seems to be plain now that RW has given up on George Moncur. With Brown and Archibald unavailable, Sanders and Galbraith on the bench and playing Sotiriou in a deeper lying role, I was surprised Pratley got the nod to partner El Miz. As the game wore on with almost no sign of a spark in midfield we seemed to be passing the ball just for the sake of passing at times! For all his faults / fitness woes at least Moncur has the ability to get the ball under his control and carry it forward with some positivity which was something we missed yesterday.
I really wonder why Wellens didn’t give Moncur a chance given the way things were going and can only conclude RW just no longer sees him as a viable option.🤔
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Post by watfordo on Nov 22, 2023 8:29:05 GMT
Just an observation from last nights line up and display against Lincoln but it seems to be plain now that RW has given up on George Moncur. With Brown and Archibald unavailable, Sanders and Galbraith on the bench and playing Sotiriou in a deeper lying role, I was surprised Pratley got the nod to partner El Miz. As the game wore on with almost no sign of a spark in midfield we seemed to be passing the ball just for the sake of passing at times! For all his faults / fitness woes at least Moncur has the ability to get the ball under his control and carry it forward with some positivity which was something we missed yesterday. I really wonder why Wellens didn’t give Moncur a chance given the way things were going and can only conclude RW just no longer sees him as a viable option.🤔 Thought the same. He may not last a whole game but we missed a spark in the middle, no doubt. |
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Post by Ramrod on Nov 22, 2023 11:22:54 GMT
RW knows what the players are capable of, and for whatever reason Moncur is not delivering. It was the same story at Hull. Can we get rid in January? Who knows?
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Post by osoldguy on Nov 22, 2023 11:36:35 GMT
RW knows what the players are capable of, and for whatever reason Moncur is not delivering. It was the same story at Hull. Can we get rid in January? Who knows? Has Moncur's knee condition deteriorated? if so who would buy a player with this condition unless he is allowed to go for free. |
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Post by redintheface on Nov 22, 2023 13:27:20 GMT
RW knows what the players are capable of, and for whatever reason Moncur is not delivering. It was the same story at Hull. Can we get rid in January? Who knows? Tbh I’m starting to have a few doubts. RW ( like all managers) has his favourites and those that he doesn’t rate - which is fair enough- but there comes a time when the blinkers have to be taken off and a wider view taken. Moncur is a talented player - if his physical condition is such that he can’t contribute then okay but why have him on the bench then? |
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Post by osoldguy on Nov 22, 2023 13:48:51 GMT
RW knows what the players are capable of, and for whatever reason Moncur is not delivering. It was the same story at Hull. Can we get rid in January? Who knows? Tbh I’m starting to have a few doubts. RW ( like all managers) has his favourites and those that he doesn’t rate - which is fair enough- but there comes a time when the blinkers have to be taken off and a wider view taken. Moncur is a talented player - if his physical condition is such that he can’t contribute then okay but why have him on the bench then? As Moncur is probably the most skilful player in his position at the club cannot someone tap up Ledley King or Paul McGrath. This to ask them how they managed to play at the highest level while managing their chronic condition? |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 22, 2023 14:10:14 GMT
I like Moncur as a player. If he is on the bench then he must be fit enough to contribute in part, if not a full match. I was surprised he didn’t get a chance.
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Post by redintheface on Nov 22, 2023 16:50:28 GMT
Tbh I’m starting to have a few doubts. RW ( like all managers) has his favourites and those that he doesn’t rate - which is fair enough- but there comes a time when the blinkers have to be taken off and a wider view taken. Moncur is a talented player - if his physical condition is such that he can’t contribute then okay but why have him on the bench then? As Moncur is probably the most skilful player in his position at the club cannot someone tap up Ledley King or Paul McGrath. This to ask them how they managed to play at the highest level while managing their chronic condition? In McGrath’s case, it’s alleged much of the “ managing” of his “chronic condition” centred around a combination of drugs and alcohol , so not to sure that would work ! 😄 🍺 |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 22, 2023 17:31:28 GMT
As Moncur is probably the most skilful player in his position at the club cannot someone tap up Ledley King or Paul McGrath. This to ask them how they managed to play at the highest level while managing their chronic condition? In McGrath’s case, it’s alleged much of the “ managing” of his “chronic condition” centred around a combination of drugs and alcohol , so not to sure that would work ! 😄 🍺 Prescribed medication issued under supervision and not transgressing EFL rules is fine I would have thought. Not too sure the alcohol is a good idea. |
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Post by billericayo on Nov 23, 2023 9:24:41 GMT
I like Moncur as a player. If he is on the bench then he must be fit enough to contribute in part, if not a full match. I was surprised he didn’t get a chance. It wouldn't of made sod all difference, he is not a game changer. especially in that team last night. He can't do the rough and tumble and would be easily nocked off the ball, a Luxzury player. |
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Post by eca on Nov 23, 2023 11:17:06 GMT
I like Moncur as a player. If he is on the bench then he must be fit enough to contribute in part, if not a full match. I was surprised he didn’t get a chance. It wouldn't of made sod all difference, he is not a game changer. especially in that team last night. He can't do the rough and tumble and would be easily nocked off the ball, a Luxzury player. I disagree. He is very good keeping the ball the evidence is when he is selected one can see, plus this board with posts often have said comments that verify that. He is not a lightweight person, I believe he has enough body strength and football technique not to get knocked off the ball. I am actually quite disappointed that the team tactics have not been centred around him being in the team on a regular basis. Last season in one interview RW said GM would be more suited in the higher division. All the other midfield apart from Pratley have not got his football experience and over recent weeks on more than one occasion RW has talked about orient as being a young team / inexperienced - whilst GM sits on the bench irrespective of the side we are playing. Thinking about the timing of his general exclusion and occasional use as a bit time sub it all seems to stem after Nigel in one interview mentioned that orient could raise funds by “lateral thought” of the moving out of the more experienced players (or words to that effect ) that interview contained comments about the funds available and the players brought in this summer. To me it seems GM is being marginalised for reasons that exceed his football ability. Obviously younger players are more athletic and will have a lower salary than GM - but we are not going to create a team of all young players that are able to be winning every week or when we lose or draw when we should of won - then we emphasise how young our team is. |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 23, 2023 12:33:19 GMT
It wouldn't of made sod all difference, he is not a game changer. especially in that team last night. He can't do the rough and tumble and would be easily nocked off the ball, a Luxzury player. I disagree. He is very good keeping the ball the evidence is when he is selected one can see, plus this board with posts often have said comments that verify that. He is not a lightweight person, I believe he has enough body strength and football technique not to get knocked off the ball. I am actually quite disappointed that the team tactics have not been centred around him being in the team on a regular basis. Last season in one interview RW said GM would be more suited in the higher division. All the other midfield apart from Pratley have not got his football experience and over recent weeks on more than one occasion RW has talked about orient as being a young team / inexperienced - whilst GM sits on the bench irrespective of the side we are playing. Thinking about the timing of his general exclusion and occasional use as a bit time sub it all seems to stem after Nigel in one interview mentioned that orient could raise funds by “lateral thought” of the moving out of the more experienced players (or words to that effect ) that interview contained comments about the funds available and the players brought in this summer. To me it seems GM is being marginalised for reasons that exceed his football ability. Obviously younger players are more athletic and will have a lower salary than GM - but we are not going to create a team of all young players that are able to be winning every week or when we lose or draw when we should of won - then we emphasise how young our team is. I agree. George Moncur has proved himself capable at a higher level than us over a 10 year period. Comments about him being knocked off the ball etc are ludicrous as we have seen in his time with us. I’d say quite the reverse is true. In terms of football ability he is up there with any of our squad. I can only assume his exclusion is a football injury related condition. Meaning he is used sparingly. Being protected in the same way Smyth and others have been. As for funds. KT and NT fund us out of their own wallets and there has to be a limit on what they can afford to spend. Why bringing in a set play coach baffles me damned if I can see any difference). Unless significant new funding comes in, then despite the rhetoric, right now league 1 is as good as it gets. Based on recent history that’s not too bad at all. Come January we will have Agyei, Thompson and Beckles back. Like signing 3 new players. |
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Post by watfordo on Nov 23, 2023 18:00:30 GMT
I like Moncur as a player. If he is on the bench then he must be fit enough to contribute in part, if not a full match. I was surprised he didn’t get a chance. It wouldn't of made sod all difference, he is not a game changer. especially in that team last night. He can't do the rough and tumble and would be easily nocked off the ball, a Luxzury player. 👎 |
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Post by redintheface on Nov 23, 2023 20:57:41 GMT
I disagree. He is very good keeping the ball the evidence is when he is selected one can see, plus this board with posts often have said comments that verify that. He is not a lightweight person, I believe he has enough body strength and football technique not to get knocked off the ball. I am actually quite disappointed that the team tactics have not been centred around him being in the team on a regular basis. Last season in one interview RW said GM would be more suited in the higher division. All the other midfield apart from Pratley have not got his football experience and over recent weeks on more than one occasion RW has talked about orient as being a young team / inexperienced - whilst GM sits on the bench irrespective of the side we are playing. Thinking about the timing of his general exclusion and occasional use as a bit time sub it all seems to stem after Nigel in one interview mentioned that orient could raise funds by “lateral thought” of the moving out of the more experienced players (or words to that effect ) that interview contained comments about the funds available and the players brought in this summer. To me it seems GM is being marginalised for reasons that exceed his football ability. Obviously younger players are more athletic and will have a lower salary than GM - but we are not going to create a team of all young players that are able to be winning every week or when we lose or draw when we should of won - then we emphasise how young our team is. I agree. George Moncur has proved himself capable at a higher level than us over a 10 year period. Comments about him being knocked off the ball etc are ludicrous as we have seen in his time with us. I’d say quite the reverse is true. In terms of football ability he is up there with any of our squad. I can only assume his exclusion is a football injury related condition. Meaning he is used sparingly. Being protected in the same way Smyth and others have been. As for funds. KT and NT fund us out of their own wallets and there has to be a limit on what they can afford to spend. Why bringing in a set play coach baffles me damned if I can see any difference). Unless significant new funding comes in, then despite the rhetoric, right now league 1 is as good as it gets. Based on recent history that’s not too bad at all. Come January we will have Agyei, Thompson and Beckles back. Like signing 3 new players. I think that without doubt most O’s supporters would recognise Moncur has considerable talent but equally accept that sadly he has not accomplished a successful transition from L2 to L1. To what extent that is down to injury issues, his general attitude towards fitness or other off- field matters is open to debate. Personally if his fleeting appearances ( and latterly exclusion) is as a result of “ a football injury related condition” , I can’t quite understand why RW includes him in the match day squad and take up a place in the bench. I would also suggest a good deal of caution in expecting too much from either Agyei or Thompson given the length of time they’ve been out of action - unless your remark about their return being like signing new players was made with tongue firmly in cheek?👍 |
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Post by dohnut on Nov 23, 2023 23:24:53 GMT
I agree. George Moncur has proved himself capable at a higher level than us over a 10 year period. Comments about him being knocked off the ball etc are ludicrous as we have seen in his time with us. I’d say quite the reverse is true. In terms of football ability he is up there with any of our squad. I can only assume his exclusion is a football injury related condition. Meaning he is used sparingly. Being protected in the same way Smyth and others have been. As for funds. KT and NT fund us out of their own wallets and there has to be a limit on what they can afford to spend. Why bringing in a set play coach baffles me damned if I can see any difference). Unless significant new funding comes in, then despite the rhetoric, right now league 1 is as good as it gets. Based on recent history that’s not too bad at all. Come January we will have Agyei, Thompson and Beckles back. Like signing 3 new players. I think that without doubt most O’s supporters would recognise Moncur has considerable talent but equally accept that sadly he has not accomplished a successful transition from L2 to L1. To what extent that is down to injury issues, his general attitude towards fitness or other off- field matters is open to debate. Personally if his fleeting appearances ( and latterly exclusion) is as a result of “ a football injury related condition” , I can’t quite understand why RW includes him in the match day squad and take up a place in the bench. I would also suggest a good deal of caution in expecting too much from either Agyei or Thompson given the length of time they’ve been out of action - unless your remark about their return being like signing new players was made with tongue firmly in cheek?👍 I’d agree he has not made the transition with us but with 250+ games at league 1 and the Championship he is proven at this level. There is more to this than ability. You don’t play that many games without it. Have no idea if at 30 his appetite has gone, can’t make the weight or simply an injury related issue. But ability is not it. Maybe he is included as a motivational experienced head for the younger players Of course my 3 new players was tongue in cheek. 👏 |
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Post by buffalobill on Nov 25, 2023 8:44:38 GMT
I’m pretty sure in an interview with Dave Victor that Richie mentioned George was going through a tough time at the moment.
May be his knee but equally off field issues can impact markedly upon a player’s performance.
If it is the latter, then putting him on the bench and supporting him by keeping him in the mix would be what I’d be doing, even if I thought he wasn’t quite ready to be out there.
Notice they played Wagon Wheel before the game too.
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Post by Fisch on Nov 25, 2023 10:46:46 GMT
Taking Buffalobill's thoughts.... In view of the weight of faith GM has in his religion, he is right in the cross hairs of a complete breakdown when life comes along and kicks you in the nuts. Statistically, half of us have been divorced, we've all lost people or watched our loved ones suffer. That's always hard, but imagine if you viewed the universe like he does, l imagine he'd be less able to suck it up and deal with things.
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Post by eca on Nov 25, 2023 11:45:02 GMT
I like George as a player and as a person that he projects
I am not religious.
I wish him well and hope to see him on the field either today or another match
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Post by ramblingman on Nov 25, 2023 12:16:16 GMT
As much as anything George doesn't fit the way we're playing but I have also been surprised at how little he gets used from the bench. I think we've said it before on here that many of us wouldn't be surprised if George moved on in January to free up some cash.
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