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Post by Fisch on Jan 26, 2024 13:37:33 GMT
Apologies if this is old news, l just watched this YouTube video about Reading. It must be galling for them to see Leyton Orient arrive there in such a healthy condition from top to bottom whilst they have wasted millions and now are making people redundant and not paying their staff. We have T and T, they don't.
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Post by redshank on Jan 26, 2024 14:22:55 GMT
I dislike Reading,forget why.However we need them in the FL as the fans of that club come first and foremost.Just let them have a couple of seasons in League 2 then rise again which I am sure they will.That way my dislike will probably be purged.
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Post by dohnut on Jan 26, 2024 15:22:32 GMT
Personally I hope they survive in league 1. Not by getting points off us of course. I can remember them is their Elm Park days when they struggled just like us. They enjoyed new ownership that brought a new ground and a better future. Much like the things we hope for now. But owners move on, like ours will one day, and it started to go wrong. It happens with ownership changes as we know. We will face that too at some point.
So I take absolutely no pleasure in watching what’s going on. I feel for their fans too. After they play us I really hope they get enough points to survive.
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Post by confucius on Jan 27, 2024 6:04:21 GMT
I dislike Reading,forget why.However we need them in the FL as the fans of that club come first and foremost.Just let them have a couple of seasons in League 2 then rise again which I am sure they will.That way my dislike will probably be purged. Confucius say: ‘We cannot reason ourselves out of our basic irrationality. All we can do is to learn the art of being irrational in a reasonable way.’
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Post by rev on Jan 27, 2024 23:41:06 GMT
I dislike Reading,forget why.However we need them in the FL as the fans of that club come first and foremost.Just let them have a couple of seasons in League 2 then rise again which I am sure they will.That way my dislike will probably be purged. When I started watching football, I found I had 'soft spots' for certain clubs, and would like to see them do well, or was just neutral towards most. Roll on a few decades, and nearly every club has annoyed me in some way at some stage, and it's hard to like any of them. Add in social media, and its unerring ability to allow you to see the gobbiest morons of every fanbase, and it's not surprising. Reading's problems would be the same as any other club that's got into financial trouble, if it weren't for two things. Firstly, the owner has owned three clubs, and he folded the other two after they each dropped into their country's third tier. Second, a whistleblower from inside the club revealed the owner's plan is to run down the club and liquidate in the summer. The same whistleblower revealed that two players were being sold without the knowledge of the manager or director of football - which is exactly what happened. It gets even murkier when the owner's dealings in China are looked into, suggesting allegations of large scale fraud, working with government contacts to frame an old business associate, not to mention his businesses being delisted from the HK stock exchange pending investigations. The club, the stadium, the training ground, the land around the stadium, and the hotel, are all in separate companies (the land being pilferred by the previous ownership group, along with the hotel), which the owner intended to sell separately. The football club will have virtually no value other than players, hence the desire to sell players now. The lack of any remotely alternative to the Madejski means that anyone buying the club, who can't purchase the stadium as well, is going to be stuck paying the £1.5 million a year rent the owner changes. If the club folds, a reformed club will have nowhere to play. There is the ground that non-league Reading City FC use, but that's just a basic "hard standing and a couple of meccano seating units" type ground. They'd probably have to groundshare at Maidenhead.
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Post by Fisch on Jan 28, 2024 9:11:59 GMT
The picture that rev paints is as bleak as it gets.
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Post by rev on Jan 28, 2024 10:26:24 GMT
The picture that rev paints is as bleak as it gets. There are supposed to be a number of parties interested in buying the club - hopefully the whole club, but there is kind of a feeling among many that if a sale isn't made by the summer, then the club is gone. There are suspicions that the owner has lowered his price, which would help, but there are also people apparently wanting to buy the individual parts. Mike Ashley only wanted the stadium, for example. The bizarre thing is that this could have been a very good owner. He's certainly put a lot of money into the club, including building a top-notch training facility. Unfortunately the owner stopped paying bills, and the catering company pulled out, and the players have to heat up microwave meals now, and staff often have to wear coats inside because the heating isn't turned on. A ridiculous amount of money was spent on players. Inexplicably, the owner and his cronies got rid of all the people who knew what they were doing, and put recruitment in the hands of agents instead, largely Kia Joorabchian. By remarkable coincidence, a large number of the players signed were clients of these agents, and with the agents getting a cut of both the transfer fee and the players' wages, there didn't seem to be much restraint on either. It meant a large squad of players who, with a few exceptions, only seemed to be at the club for the money, and didn't care about performances or results. Four years into a five year transfer embargo, the last of the big earners was shifted a few weeks ago, but even he had to paid to leave early. Other odd things include maintaining a Category 1 academy, even though the EFL's salary restictions meant we couldn't offer improved salaries, meaning good prospects leave for free every summer, because we can't offer them new deals. At a supposed £5 million a year, it's a luxury few League One clubs can afford, and would be an immense struggle in League Two. The EFL do get painted as the bad guys quite a lot, and there are stupid things like as mentioned above, not being able to offer young players improved deals (which would probably be fairly low anyway) but they have already pushed for the owner to be banned from football. The independent disciplinary panel that reviewed the recommendation rejected it, and uselessly just gave him a fine instead, which he is just not bothering to pay. It seems they are going back to push for him to be banned again. If he does get banned, he has 28 days to sell the club, and if he fails to do that, there would probably have to be a vote on expelling Reading from the league.
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Post by Fisch on Jan 28, 2024 11:52:19 GMT
Good lord, l hope you are being overly pessimistic but, frankly, we are Leyton Orient and we lived through just such a scenario and were a fag paper's width from going under completely. Our luck was to find buyers who know how to run a business so, bit by bit, the right things were put in place and we've not looked back. We were flirting with relegation from the NL (assuming we could survive at all) and now find ourselves going to Reading with a strong team, proper people in charge and no real debts. There's no way we could've been in this position without smart people at the top.
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Post by rev on Jan 28, 2024 13:21:54 GMT
Good lord, l hope you are being overly pessimistic It's difficult to say. We could have new owners just around the corner*, or we could be in very serious trouble. The owner no longer communicates with anyone but the CEO he appointed, who didn't turn up at all for six months after relegation, and also Kia Joorabchian, who he bizarrely still trusts for some reason. There seems to be no doubt that he has given up and doesn't care any more, and his only concern is how much money he can get back. I could be wrong but I really don't think we play next season if he is the owner, especially if we are in League Two. He might be happy though to go with the remaining players, and what's left in the academy, just to keep picking up his £1.5 million rent payment, or he'd cut his losses and just look to sell the stadium and training ground for redevelopment. He'll definitely have no interest in putting out a squad that can compete. The academy has been great. I believe over 100 players have progressed to the first team, but you can't rely on academy players for first team games. They can have ability, as many of ours do, but they are still learning the game, and are prone to making mistakes. That's fine if they are among senior pros who can guide them, but when almost the whole squad is made up of young players, learning takes longer. But yeah, nobody knows. In a couple of months somebody could come in, and we could all be looking towards a bright new tomorrow, wondering what all the fuss was about, because football clubs do invariably get saved. Or we could be Bury in 2020. The just doesn't seem to be a realistic third option. * even then, getting the right owner is an issue. We've had three bad ones in a row. Madejski sold to Russian Anton Zingarevich, who'd grown up locally and even stood on the terraces of Elm Park in his teens. The club got promoted to the premier league that season (2012) and everything looked rosy. Then in turned out that he didn't actually have the money he claimed to have, and the sale fell through. This caused a sell-on to a Thai consortium, with different motives. One was promoting the energy drink Carabao, but murkier elements within that group were eyeing up a property deal. They moved the hotel and car park into their name, and the car park redevelopment has now started. They sold to the current owner just before the 2017 play-off semi-final. Had we won that final - and we were 3-2 up in the penalty shoot-out with two kicks each remaining - who knows what could have happened.
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