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Post by redintheface on Feb 3, 2024 19:34:20 GMT
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Post by dohnut on Feb 3, 2024 21:52:26 GMT
The contrast could not be more stark. It’s a concern when the top two looking after us have such different opinions. That is not joined up management. Probably best if they both didn’t share their views publicly. Or at least agree on a united public front.
I thought our window was decent enough bar the loss of Turns but having listened to RW my view has changed.
But this season and our consolidation is sorted and I never considered playoffs a reality. A satisfactory season. Seems RW did and still does consider playoffs a possibility. Good for him. But who in the club didn’t.
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Post by redintheface on Feb 3, 2024 22:04:52 GMT
The contrast could not be more stark. It’s a concern when the top two looking after us have such different opinions. That is not joined up management. Probably best if they both didn’t share their views publicly. Or at least agree on a united public front. I thought our window was decent enough bar the loss of Turns but having listened to RW my view has changed. But this season and our consolidation is sorted and I never considered playoffs a reality. A satisfactory season. Seems RW did and still does consider playoffs a possibility. Good for him. But who in the club didn’t. For me a lot would depend on at what point the club knew the full extent of Agyei’s injury. If it was clearly known in time for a deal to be done prior to 2nd February then personally, I would have hoped that a deal for the “ experienced striker” Ling talked about and Wellens says he wanted could have been done. The reasons behind it breaking down will never be made public of course but if it was purely financial then that’s disappointing. As to who in the club didn’t consider the playoffs a possibility, I obviously don’t know BUT worth remembering that back in August Nigel Travis upset a lot of fans by talking about “consolidation” this season rather than pushing on , so tbh I would start there.👍
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Post by eca on Feb 3, 2024 22:22:40 GMT
This interview may be the start of an internal meltdown with the RW views as expressed which we can see exceed what he really should have said, where it illustrates the variance to the recent ML interview. I hope it does not and the pair of them get their lofc act together.
Like all workplace employees have different opinions. ML/ RW different public interpretations to the transfer windows concerns me.
Obviously RW tactically and also having management skills Nigel has said more than once could be employed in any industry it seems if there is a blowout due to this it should be ML to leave not RW. For the future of the club RW has more value than ML- it's that simple.
However, the club create some of this published tension by not having and presenting an integrated view on interviews. They may learn from this and improve collectively and show more acceptable thought out lofc views. This difference has reared its public head before when one listens carefully to all ML and RW interviews. RW previously made it very clear that he does not like signing players late in the interview windows - given that why does ML go out of his way to not address that. He also recently said he likes players that have had 20 games at league level that he can develop.
Do we really have to have two employees asked similar questions by two different people in two interviews- its common sense it may lead to friction.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 3, 2024 22:25:31 GMT
The contrast could not be more stark. It’s a concern when the top two looking after us have such different opinions. That is not joined up management. Probably best if they both didn’t share their views publicly. Or at least agree on a united public front. I thought our window was decent enough bar the loss of Turns but having listened to RW my view has changed. But this season and our consolidation is sorted and I never considered playoffs a reality. A satisfactory season. Seems RW did and still does consider playoffs a possibility. Good for him. But who in the club didn’t. For me a lot would depend on at what point the club knew the full extent of Agyei’s injury. If it was clearly known in time for a deal to be done prior to 2nd February then personally, I would have hoped that a deal for the “ experienced striker” Ling talked about and Wellens says he wanted could have been done. The reasons behind it breaking down will never be made public of course but if it was purely financial then that’s disappointing. As to who in the club didn’t consider the playoffs a possibility, I obviously don’t know BUT worth remembering that back in August Nigel Travis upset a lot of fans by talking about “consolidation” this season rather than pushing on , so tbh I would start there.👍 Fair point. Championship football for the owners is a step too far right now and that’s understandable. But for the manager and having got us into a fantastic position the push for the playoffs is also understandable. Easy to see both viewpoints. RW is good, young, ambitious. His stock is high. He wants to achieve and playoffs, despite all our injuries, are there, a goal worth trying for. He has in all honesty done a fantastic job and wants to push on. Seems in his eyes January has done nothing but reduce our chances. In his shoes I’d be peeed. In his shoes I’d be off. His priority is advancing the team, the business side is not his concern.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 3, 2024 22:29:01 GMT
This interview may be the start of an internal meltdown with the RW views as expressed which we can see exceed what he really should have said, where it illustrates the variance to the recent ML interview. Like all workplace employees have different opinions. ML/ RW different public interpretations to the transfer windows concerns me. Obviously RW tactically and also having management skills Nigel has said more than once could be employed in any industry it seems if there is a blowout due to this it should be ML to leave not RW. For the future of the club RW has more value than ML- it's that simple. However, the club create some of this published tension by not having and presenting an integrated view on interviews. They may learn from this and improve collectively and show more acceptable thought out lofc views. This difference has reared its public head before when one listens carefully to all ML and RW interviews. RW previously made it very clear that he does not like signing players laste in the interview windows - given that why does ML go out of his way to not address that. Agree. The differences have been seen before but expressed in perhaps a softer way. Nothing soft this time. His feelings are crystal.
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Post by redintheface on Feb 3, 2024 22:43:10 GMT
For me a lot would depend on at what point the club knew the full extent of Agyei’s injury. If it was clearly known in time for a deal to be done prior to 2nd February then personally, I would have hoped that a deal for the “ experienced striker” Ling talked about and Wellens says he wanted could have been done. The reasons behind it breaking down will never be made public of course but if it was purely financial then that’s disappointing. As to who in the club didn’t consider the playoffs a possibility, I obviously don’t know BUT worth remembering that back in August Nigel Travis upset a lot of fans by talking about “consolidation” this season rather than pushing on , so tbh I would start there.👍 Fair point. Championship football for the owners is a step too far right now and that’s understandable. But for the manager and having got us into a fantastic position the push for the playoffs is also understandable. Easy to see both viewpoints. RW is good, young, ambitious. His stock is high. He wants to achieve and playoffs, despite all our injuries, are there, a goal worth trying for. He has in all honesty done a fantastic job and wants to push on. Seems in his eyes January has done nothing but reduce our chances. In his shoes I’d be peeed. In his shoes I’d be off. His priority is advancing the team, the business side is not his concern. Of course, RW is correct to focus on advancing the team - that’s why he’s employed after all. It seems to me that the perennial issue of our late dealings in the market has prompted this to a large degree as it appears to have led to us getting in two inexperienced teenagers instead of the “experienced striker” RW craved. Unfortunately it’s something that has reared its head before and the club doesn’t seem able to address it .
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Post by dohnut on Feb 3, 2024 22:56:30 GMT
Fair point. Championship football for the owners is a step too far right now and that’s understandable. But for the manager and having got us into a fantastic position the push for the playoffs is also understandable. Easy to see both viewpoints. RW is good, young, ambitious. His stock is high. He wants to achieve and playoffs, despite all our injuries, are there, a goal worth trying for. He has in all honesty done a fantastic job and wants to push on. Seems in his eyes January has done nothing but reduce our chances. In his shoes I’d be peeed. In his shoes I’d be off. His priority is advancing the team, the business side is not his concern. Of course, RW is correct to focus on advancing the team - that’s why he’s employed after all. It seems to me that the perennial issue of our late dealings in the market has prompted this to a large degree as it appears to have led to us getting in two inexperienced teenagers instead of the “experienced striker” RW craved. Unfortunately it’s something that has reared its head before and the club doesn’t seem able to address it . It’s the way we operate in the transfer market. Is it a strategy, a way of cutting costs - or simply indecision? I assume it’s strategic. January dealings appear to be yet again causing issues. Combine that wi Agyie being out and RW is not having a good week. Despite a positive result today. Made hard work of that too. Carlisle look doomed, poor side. Simpson has bigger problems than RW right now.
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Post by ostralia on Feb 4, 2024 3:03:07 GMT
Oh dear. This isn’t a good development at all.
The more I think about it though, the more I’m inclined to think Ritchie is in the wrong here. He’s always banging on about positivity and creating a positive environment, even having a pop at fans on a number of occasions, and then here he is whinging in public about not getting the players he wants. Hardly practicing what he preaches.
I didn’t expect a lot from the two young forwards, but I expect even less now that they’ve been publicly written off by their manager after one day of training.
One of the great things about the current ownership is how responsibly and sustainably run the club is. And we still lose several millions a year. Every coach wants more money available to them, but we can’t take unnecessary risks in spending, regardless of who the manager is or how good a job he is doing.
If the powers that be at the club don’t think we can make the playoffs, we’ll they’re probably right. I don’t think we can either, even before we lost Agyei. Granted, it’s probably not great for the motivation of the players to realise that, so who knows, maybe this is all some mind games from Ritchie to create a siege mentality and motivate the players to prove everyone wrong. I hope so.
I was satisfied with the window. It wasn’t perfect of course. Missing out on an experienced striker was a blow, and if that was because we were too slow, then that does sound like a problem with the club’s approach. Similarly with Turns, I’d rather he’d stayed too, but I get the impression that move was at least partially driven by the player and Brighton wanting him to get more game time. I don’t really understand the comment that it would have been fine for him to go if we’d got the striker in though. Surely those are two separate issues.
Anyway, hopefully it’s all a storm in a teacup. Everyone pulling in the same direction has got us this far, I hope it doesn’t all fall apart now.
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Post by ramblingman on Feb 4, 2024 7:53:15 GMT
Much as I love him, I am also a little annoyed with Richie.
I don't think we would have had a choice on Turns if Brighton insisted. They may have asked us as a courtesy but if you push back, clubs are going to think twice before they loan out to you again. He went straight into the starting eleven at Crewe. If the striker was McKirdy then it's obvious why he has chosen Swindon on loan.
If the club has made a decision to stick rather than twist this season, I believe that's wise for longer term development.
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Post by osoldguy on Feb 4, 2024 8:46:07 GMT
Of course, RW is correct to focus on advancing the team - that’s why he’s employed after all. It seems to me that the perennial issue of our late dealings in the market has prompted this to a large degree as it appears to have led to us getting in two inexperienced teenagers instead of the “experienced striker” RW craved. Unfortunately it’s something that has reared its head before and the club doesn’t seem able to address it . It’s the way we operate in the transfer market. Is it a strategy, a way of cutting costs - or simply indecision? I assume it’s strategic. January dealings appear to be yet again causing issues. Combine that wi Agyie being out and RW is not having a good week. Despite a positive result today. Made hard work of that too. Carlisle look doomed, poor side. Simpson has bigger problems than RW right now. I think if RW really feels that an additional experienced forward is needed than that is his judgement call. Whether there is disagreement with ML over recruitment as ML is flexing his authority over RW, only those in the inner circle will be aware of the truth. The rest is conjecture. The two recruits from their respected Academies, as good old Sir Les Patterson would say,"Could be good or could be Sh##t house". Only time and playing time will tell.Is ML testing RW to see if he can develop these young players, and in doing so advance their skills and knowledge and improve O's options in availability of forward players.Only guessing on my part. O's have always been a club ready to give young players a chance. I hark back to Harry, Kevin, Laurie,John C, Ricky O. The list goes on. The other option is to dip into the Free agent market where the Transfer Window regs do not apply. This may be fraught with danger as questions will be asked why are these players Free agents?
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