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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2024 0:37:19 GMT
I don't get the enthusiasm for the signing. He's 27 and played just 49 senior games. At all 3 of his clubs, he's made a few appearances and then faded away, does this suggest he's not very good? Realistically I think the club recognises we're now pushing for promotion but if Beckles or Cooper get injured, it's over. Simpson hasn't played many games for his age but those he has have been at a pretty high level. I'd be very surprised if we could've done better than this. It seems like it could be quite a smart low-risk move, assuming he doesn't neck a bottle of Bells for breakfast and start dropping N bombs in training. |
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Post by kbola on Mar 1, 2024 6:07:55 GMT
I experienced a similar incident a few years ago with my now ex mrs, we were sitting at the breakfast table one morning when I meant to ask her to pass me the ketchup, thing is and I don't know how it happened but when I opened my mouth the words - "you've ruined my life you fat ugly bitch" came out. Hahahaha |
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Post by ostralia on Mar 1, 2024 6:44:26 GMT
I guess it’s not a great look, but others have done worse and cone back from it. Just with orient I can think of two players in my time that we’ve signed after actual criminal convictions (Eliot Omosuzi and Roger Stanislaus), so I think it’d be a bit harsh if what he did ended his career.
Everyone seems to be saying and doing the right things at the moment though, we’ll see what happens I suppose.
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Post by Fisch on Mar 1, 2024 7:08:07 GMT
I'm a white, privileged, Anglo-Saxon, atheist male. Any opinion l have about the re-emergence of Simpson has no real value.
I am also very uneasy with the conflation of "he's a good player, he deserves a second chance".
Not exactly driven by good principle is it?
The man also uses the passive "we all know what happened" - like it had nothing to do with him.
Maybe he does warrant a chance to redeem himself but none of us (so far) can make such a judgement. Until a post is made here from someone with the relevant experience, l will remain queazy about the whole thing.
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Post by southstando on Mar 1, 2024 8:14:33 GMT
On the interview a suspension is mentioned. Any idea what that means? Who suspended him? All I can see is that he left Cardiff and is a free agent. Can he play? Or was he banned for a certain amount of games that would only come into play if he was signed with a club? If I understand this correctly, the FA fined and banned him for 6 games. As he'd already left Cardiff and hasn't joined another club since, he'll miss the next 6 games. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 1, 2024 8:36:56 GMT
On the interview a suspension is mentioned. Any idea what that means? Who suspended him? All I can see is that he left Cardiff and is a free agent. Can he play? Or was he banned for a certain amount of games that would only come into play if he was signed with a club? If I understand this correctly, the FA fined and banned him for 6 games. As he'd already left Cardiff and hasn't joined another club since, he'll miss the next 6 games. I suspect this signing has more to do with next season than this one. He will have a few weeks to show willingness and attitude in training and maybe 5 games to show what he can do. It’s a decent strategy to be honest. One that if it works means we have a decent player for next season. If it don’t we have not lost much other than his wages. |
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Post by osoldguy on Mar 1, 2024 9:25:20 GMT
As for the player signing for us.. I trust the club to do the right thing. Seems to have had a strange career though. He's 27 but only played 49 games albeit at an extremely high level. Before today I can't say I'd ever heard of him or the incident. The way the club have put it out there, been upfront and honest, asked the right questions in the interview, showed remorse, low-key announcement, etc. It's been handled the right way. So it's over to Jack now to rebuild his career. Show us what you can do lad. Nobody had heard of Theiry Henry until Wenger plucked him out of Barcelona B team. RW been around the block I trust his judgement. If it doesnt work out the player is on a short term contract so it will be bye bye thanks. |
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Post by MungO on Mar 1, 2024 9:32:52 GMT
If I understand this correctly, the FA fined and banned him for 6 games. As he'd already left Cardiff and hasn't joined another club since, he'll miss the next 6 games. I suspect this signing has more to do with next season than this one. He will have a few weeks to show willingness and attitude in training and maybe 5 games to show what he can do. It’s a decent strategy to be honest. One that if it works means we have a decent player for next season. If it don’t we have not lost much other than his wages. Different circumstances but that's how I see the signings of Khayon Edwards and Adu-Adjei too. If we like what we see this season, we'll have them back for next season. We'll know them, they'll know us. And we can hit the ground running. |
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Post by MungO on Mar 1, 2024 9:34:03 GMT
Interesting bit about the ban. Wonder when he can play?
Or did we actually sign him two or three weeks ago and he has now served his ban through the last few Tuesday / Saturday weeks of games?
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Post by peterthepunter on Mar 1, 2024 9:51:21 GMT
We'll find out soon enough! The squad certainly needs cover in that position so it seems to me like a bet to nothing.
Good to note the generosity of spirit shown towards him on here. O's have a strong management team so my feeling is that if they are happy to take the chance, we should have confidence in their judgement. It may not come off but if it does, it will be a hell of a result.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 1, 2024 10:12:01 GMT
I suspect this signing has more to do with next season than this one. He will have a few weeks to show willingness and attitude in training and maybe 5 games to show what he can do. It’s a decent strategy to be honest. One that if it works means we have a decent player for next season. If it don’t we have not lost much other than his wages. Different circumstances but that's how I see the signings of Khayon Edwards and Adu-Adjei too. If we like what we see this season, we'll have them back for next season. We'll know them, they'll know us. And we can hit the ground running. Makes sense. El Miz and Turns examples. Personally wish Turns was still here. Class. What I like, and perhaps in line with NTs passion about succession planning, is the fact that we really are thinking ahead. Reducing the melee at the end of the season to build for the next. Of course changes come June but around a solid foundation. Add ONeill to that too. Just need to sort out those out of contracts for the players we want to keep. Thats going to be tricky. But a decent season in league 1 and a top manager will help. |
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Post by mayland0s on Mar 1, 2024 11:13:59 GMT
If your question is posed in regard to the previous “ serious misconduct” charge then I personally have absolutely no problem whatsoever with this signing. The guy made a mistake, was punished and should be allowed to move on. If it’s his ability that you are questioning then - as always- I’ll wait and see him first before jumping to conclusions. I meant overall (charge included). Either way, I agree with you in terms of the charge. Most people deserve a second chance and I will judge him accordingly. Seems like he regrets what he did. Certainly seems a good player. I think you expressed yourself very well Ed . Nicely put answer unlike those other turds on the dark side MB. |
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Post by redshank on Mar 1, 2024 11:19:34 GMT
Some very thoughtful comments on this thread on a difficult situation for player and club.I have put down my stone after reading them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2024 11:20:26 GMT
I am also very uneasy with the conflation of "he's a good player, he deserves a second chance". Not exactly driven by good principle is it? I don't think that's a fair reading of what people are saying tbh (although we'll see if fans change their tune if he turns out to be crap 🤷). Doubt we would've signed him if he wasn't good, but if he's not good enough for this league then he'd deserve another chance in a lower one. It will be his last. That's said, it's reasonable (and probably a good thing) to not be 100% comfortable with it. I do wonder if the club would've made the same decision if all the decision makers weren't white (to my knowledge), but we can only speculate. One thing I've belatedly noticed is the use of " allegedly used language towards a teammate that was abusive and/or insulting and/or improper..." The word "allegedly" seems incredibly disingenuous as there would appear to be little if any doubt. |
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Post by Ramrod on Mar 1, 2024 11:39:34 GMT
I agree with the other comments, he deserves a second chance Looking at his career however, I don't get the enthusiasm for the signing. He's 27 and played just 49 senior games. At all 3 of his clubs, he's made a few appearances and then faded away, does this suggest he's not very good? A slightly odd career but we must bow to RW/Ling's judgment on this one. We are certainly short on options in central defence at a critical time. |
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Post by redshank on Mar 1, 2024 11:49:46 GMT
I am sure they did all the research and consultation that was needed.He is our player now and lets hope it works out well for player and club.
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Post by e3orient on Mar 1, 2024 17:00:40 GMT
Is it redemption that we are considering here, it is pretty much the central theme to the majority of books and films. No doubt the serious nature of what occurred in this case will have been considered by the club. They have decided to offer a second chance after a full due diligence review. Timpsons offer ex offenders the opportunity to work within the organisation and reintegrate fully back into society. Is this something similar? In can be argued that the O's are not being quite as altruistic as Timpsons as they are taking the opportunity to buy a player that would previously have been unaffordable. However there seems to have been a lot of discussions before deciding to proceed. For those interested: www.timpson-group.co.uk/timpson-foundation/ex-offenders/ |
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Post by fortissimo on Mar 1, 2024 20:01:46 GMT
Of course he should be given another chance.
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Post by buffalobill on Mar 1, 2024 21:03:46 GMT
Listen to Omar Beccles interview on the O’s website.
He had the opportunity to chat with Simpson before the club made the decision and he was happy for the guy to be given a second chance.
Great interview and Omar shows why he is a leader both on and off the pitch.
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Post by orientsc on Mar 1, 2024 21:39:19 GMT
Is it redemption that we are considering here, it is pretty much the central theme to the majority of books and films. No doubt the serious nature of what occurred in this case will have been considered by the club. They have decided to offer a second chance after a full due diligence review. Timpsons offer ex offenders the opportunity to work within the organisation and reintegrate fully back into society. Is this something similar? In can be argued that the O's are not being quite as altruistic as Timpsons as they are taking the opportunity to buy a player that would previously have been unaffordable. However there seems to have been a lot of discussions before deciding to proceed. For those interested: www.timpson-group.co.uk/timpson-foundation/ex-offenders/I am glad you posted this information, and I clicked the link and read about the foundation. If I were British, I would be proud of this foundation. We have similar groups in the US. I think about the issues you are discussing often, and after years of work I’m confident in one thing. I do not think people can be solely defined by the worst thing they have ever done. Public safety comes first as to convicted criminals, of course, and it’s true that some prisoners can’t be rehabilitated to the point they can be returned to society, but many can. A helping hand for them to reintegrate helps everyone. It also says a lot about the rationality and justice of a culture. I can’t speak for or about the UK, and I am not commenting on the decision to allow this player to sign for the Orient, but I can speak about my own country. We have failed so many from cradle to grave, and most of our problems are self inflicted because of it. We have the natural social ills that come from widespread injustice. Universal human dignity is the first step for justice, and that includes the chance for redemption. Disproportionate justice is not justice at all. Thanks again for you post and the link. |
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