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Post by Thor on Mar 2, 2024 19:37:26 GMT
He’s fuming especially at the ref. There was a corner and it took 4 mins to take, red card was another couple of mins, the keeper constantly taking his time I actually thought 15 mins would have been fair in the second half.
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Post by Thor on Mar 2, 2024 19:46:49 GMT
Theo has his operation next week
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Post by SW O on Mar 2, 2024 19:47:40 GMT
He’s fuming especially at the ref. There was a corner and it took 4 mins to take, red card was another couple of mins, the keeper constantly taking his time I actually thought 15 mins would have been fair in the second half. 5 minutes was absurd, and after failing to award a corner he blew up on exactly 5, which hardly ever happens. The Blackpool game had 7 minutes and we played 9. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 2, 2024 19:50:57 GMT
He’s fuming especially at the ref. There was a corner and it took 4 mins to take, red card was another couple of mins, the keeper constantly taking his time I actually thought 15 mins would have been fair in the second half. 5 minutes was absurd, and after failing to award a corner he blew up on exactly 5, which hardly ever happens. The Blackpool game had 7 minutes and we played 9. We could have played a third half and still would not have scored. The length of the game today was not the issue. |
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Post by mrb on Mar 2, 2024 19:59:21 GMT
5 minutes was absurd, and after failing to award a corner he blew up on exactly 5, which hardly ever happens. The Blackpool game had 7 minutes and we played 9. We could have played a third half and still would not have scored. The length of the game today was not the issue. 100% this |
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Post by ramblingman on Mar 3, 2024 7:50:12 GMT
Diplomacy is not Richie's thing, but I wish he would dial back the frustration a little bit. It doesn't do him or us any good.
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Post by eca on Mar 3, 2024 9:14:46 GMT
There is a manager’s association
There is a players association
There must be a referee association
I am sure these all meet periodically where they all can voice their complaints in a forum which may then be discussed meaningfully.
I can’t think why RW wants to go and attempt to convey his personal frustrations.
We lost but we are still mathematically capable of making the play offs - I looked at other clubs fixtures and I notice some of the other teams play each other which assists Lofc
I understand his passion and frustration but it will not be to his advantage the way he is going.
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Post by Thor on Mar 3, 2024 9:25:23 GMT
There is a refs association.
I think Richie conveyed it well yesterday in that you can’t talk to the refs anymore which causes frustration to creep in. I thought the ref had a poor game along with his linesmen. The other issue is consistency and that’s been said for many a year, each ref interprets the laws slightly differently to the next man. The other point I’ve picked up on was a comment after his precious sending off was no ref has been down the club this season to talk to the players about the new laws, changes and how certain laws will be enforced this season. I saw a club has appointed a former premier league ref to come to the club to educate the players, it might be Newcastle I could be wrong. I can see benefits in doing this.
The reason he isn’t going to go before the commission is he will lose and his fine and length of ban may be increased. The league very rarely goes against a ref otherwise chaos will ensue.
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Post by eca on Mar 3, 2024 9:27:42 GMT
Sounds like there needs to be a collective seminar completed quickly to attempt to address all the obvious issues.
That what a DOF should be working on - he represents the football the club at Director level.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 3, 2024 11:34:42 GMT
There is a refs association. I think Richie conveyed it well yesterday in that you can’t talk to the refs anymore which causes frustration to creep in. I thought the ref had a poor game along with his linesmen. The other issue is consistency and that’s been said for many a year, each ref interprets the laws slightly differently to the next man. The other point I’ve picked up on was a comment after his precious sending off was no ref has been down the club this season to talk to the players about the new laws, changes and how certain laws will be enforced this season. I saw a club has appointed a former premier league ref to come to the club to educate the players, it might be Newcastle I could be wrong. I can see benefits in doing this. The reason he isn’t going to go before the commission is he will lose and his fine and length of ban may be increased. The league very rarely goes against a ref otherwise chaos will ensue. From memory it’s Nottingham Forest and his brief is to advise the team about the particular details of the referee for their next game. And they have been heavily criticised for this by some. As for interpretation, fair point. The laws (I’m sure you have read them) range from the basics to those aspects subject to judgement. One more aspect is context. The enforcement of the laws needs to take context into consideration and this can only be done on a game by game basis. Different circumstances demand different actions. RWs actions a case in point, trying to affect the flow of the game at critical times and unfair from the opponents perspective. There are two teams playing, not just us. I’ve little doubt that had we been 5-0 up with minutes to go the red card would not have been issued. Context. Do we want the sort of consistency that would demand a red in such circumstances, of course not. We need to accept and allow referees to apply common sense, judgement and not become robots. Saturdays referee has far more experience doing his job than Richie at managing! I was saddened by Richie’s comments. More attuned to a mate talking down the pub than of a professional manager at a respected league 1 club. And divisive in the extreme. Yet again. His indiscipline seems to have no boundaries yet pander to the feelings of some. He is not appealing because the laws have been explained and he knows he was wrong. Law 12, all there. But at least he has got his referee bashing off his chest. As an aside the FA made it clear that this season there was to be a clampdown, more rigorous enforcement due to a rise in indiscipline. All there on the website. Professional clubs need to be aware. It’s their job. |
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Post by kbola on Mar 3, 2024 11:56:38 GMT
Great stuff Ritchie, ignore the bedwetters 💦💦 and keep the faith 🙏🙏
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Post by Thor on Mar 3, 2024 14:34:12 GMT
But dohnut, and this is where consistency comes in. The forward for the away team should have been booked as he made a move towards the keeper which you are not allowed to do. He gets booked Richie doesn't get sent off and we make our substitution.
It's that consistency that he and others in the football world ask for. I also accept two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 3, 2024 15:57:23 GMT
But dohnut, and this is where consistency comes in. The forward for the away team should have been booked as he made a move towards the keeper which you are not allowed to do. He gets booked Richie doesn't get sent off and we make our substitution. It's that consistency that he and others in the football world ask for. I also accept two wrongs don't make a right. Individual referees make judgement calls a 100 times a game. I’m sure you have refereed games at some level. I have at an under-18 level. Every decision will be welcome and accepted by one side and often disputed by the other. But and it’s the key but. I can honestly say every decision I gave was made to the best of my ability based on the facts in front of me. Would other referees see it differently? Possibly. But they ain’t making the decisions, I am. The point being in my opinion every official does their best to referee games in an honest, fair and impartial as they can be. I don’t believe they have premeditated bias nor scores to settle. So they make decisions that us, far less experienced and knowledgeable people (including RW), don’t agree with. Does that make us right? No it damn well doesn’t. RW doesn’t even know the laws for goodness sake, so who the hell is he to criticise a referee. Referees with experience in their role that far exceeds his experience in his. I hear it every game. Criticism of referees by people who have probably never read the laws in their life, saloon bar experts. I doubt RW has ever read them and his latest outburst fits that description. Does RW get things wrong? Of course. Does ML get things wrong? Absolutely. Does NT get things wrong? Im sure he would say yes, read his book. Do I get things wrong? No question yes. Do players get things wrong? Frequently. Are players inconsistent? Yes. Are teams inconsistent? Yes. But despite all this we expect perfection from referees! I sort of struggle with that concept. |
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Post by Thor on Mar 3, 2024 16:30:51 GMT
That last paragraph is football. Oh and RW knows the laws of that I'm certain he's saying what he's saying tongue in cheek!
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Post by dohnut on Mar 3, 2024 17:23:26 GMT
That last paragraph is football. Oh and RW knows the laws of that I'm certain he's saying what he's saying tongue in cheek! He actually said before one game it was explained to him. So no, I doubt he understands them fully and certainly not to the level of a referee. It takes an awful lot of time to understand (not just read) the laws and how they may be applied. They take a good bit of understanding. I know that for certain. But let’s assume he does! His actions on the pitch, which regularly breach the laws, makes it even worse, so he knows them yet chooses to ignore and disrespect them. Don't see that as much better. The world does not revolve around Leyton Orient and RW. His world is small, the FA and referees live in a much bigger universe. |
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Post by duvb on Mar 4, 2024 12:03:02 GMT
Theo has his operation next week Theo told me Monday March 4th. Didn't ask him how long recovery was but ACL's are 9 months but this is not an ACL repair.. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 4, 2024 14:41:26 GMT
Theo has his operation next week Theo told me Monday March 4th. Didn't ask him how long recovery was but ACL's are 9 months but this is not an ACL repair.. All we can do is wish him all the best and hope that, despite recovery time, this is not a career threatening injury. He definitely doesn’t deserve that. Top professional. |
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Post by OrientEd on Mar 4, 2024 16:28:05 GMT
I thought this was one of Drysdale's BEST performances...goes to show how shocking he is!!!!!
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