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Post by Thor on May 10, 2024 14:26:22 GMT
This thread isn't about starting a row or I'm right and your wrong type of debate. I remember when this guy was fired for having a relationship with one of his players. He crossed a line and paid for it with his job. Now that the women's game is thriving, growing and the spotlight falls on the game more and more the chances of this happening again I would have thought was high. So what do fellow borders think about it? From my perspective he is in a position of power and can use that to his benefit with one of the players. It's the same as what happened in the mens game which became abuse of minors from pedophile men. How can this be policed? Should he be allowed to work in the women's game again? They were and are consenting adults and I'm sure most on here have seen work place affairs. What do you think? Should he be allowed back into the women's game? www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13403643/Willie-Kirk-Leicester-manager-sacked-breaks-silence-treated-criminal-WSL.html |
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Post by dohnut on May 10, 2024 15:09:24 GMT
He talks about the existence of a code of conduct. Talks about it being unethical. Talks of trying to convince himself. Talks of trying to justify it. Talks of it not being right. Given that, he cannot have any doubts about the justification of him being sacked. He clearly knew the score.
But he is a human being, with human feelings and not a machine. Many of us would have seen similar scenarios and witnessed the potentially damaging fallout. But it should not prevent him from future employment in the game elsewhere.
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Post by dennisrofe on May 10, 2024 16:29:38 GMT
Perhaps the best way out of this would have been for either parties to wait until they moved to different football clubs until they had a relationship, would this have been allowed, surely that would have been classed as ok to do ? Anyway from reading this news article, if all true would seem like the woman player was the one who was making the approaches to this football manager, but as I see it, he knew the rules so he should not have crossed the line. How does this rule affect where many of the women players are in same sex relationships with fellow team mates, seems like that is seen as all perfectly ok ?
How do these rules affect other different scenarios such as, if a manager is already married to a lady who plays football, is he not allowed to have her play in the same team that he is managing ? Also would a lady or male football manager be allowed to have their own daughter play in the same team that they happen to be the manager of ? I ask this as there have been many cases of football managers having their own sons and relatives playing in a team they happen to manage, one famous case being Brian Clough manager at the time of Nottingham Forest playing his own son Nigel in the Nottingham Forest first team.
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Post by dennisrofe on May 10, 2024 17:34:40 GMT
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Post by Fisch on May 10, 2024 17:40:19 GMT
It is universally recognised that people of 18 years and up are adults and can therefore follow any path they wish. Sometimes this can cause problems but a good manager will manage it on the merits of the case.
As for the under 18s, there is a process called "safe-guarding" which lays down clear guidelines. For this reason, we at lofcwomen.com do not make contact with any of the young players, we have no photographs of them other than when they play for the senior side, our computers have no images of the girls. The coaches are all trained in how to avoid difficult situations and there is a safe-guarding manager employed by the club.
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Post by Thor on May 10, 2024 18:32:55 GMT
It is universally recognised that people of 18 years and up are adults and can therefore follow any path they wish. Sometimes this can cause problems but a good manager will manage it on the merits of the case. As for the under 18s, there is a process called "safe-guarding" which lays down clear guidelines. For this reason, we at lofcwomen.com do not make contact with any of the young players, we have no photographs of them other than when they play for the senior side, our computers have no images of the girls. The coaches are all trained in how to avoid difficult situations and there is a safe-guarding manager employed by the club. this is the serious part, safeguarding and over time the changes to it have been huge. I have so many rules to follow, but in my eyes necessary to protect both the child and myself. We also have a responsibility to inform others of signs of abuse towards a child, you can't turn a blind eye as you've a duty of care over that person. Abuse takes many forms unfortunately and not all of them are visable either. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 23:54:06 GMT
These are difficult issues and tough questions need to be asked. Like did this article really need seven photos of him pulling sincere faces around his living room?
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Post by e3orient on May 11, 2024 17:45:52 GMT
Workplace relationships will happen. It's the imbalance of power in a Coach/Player in sport or Manager/staff member relationship in another business which us the issue. I worked for Midland Bank (which become HSBC bank) where staff relationships were not permitted, it was in the employee handbook. Loads of people met their partners while I worked there in the branch network. Once known they moved one person to another branch.
HSBC and other banks have kindly resolved this problem by shrinking the branch network and employing staff who are young enough to still be going through puberty.
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