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Post by lukeryan on Jul 23, 2024 4:36:40 GMT
If Chilvers signs maybe Hutchison wont be offered a deal. Have you ever actually seen Hutchison play?! They are chalk and cheese so doubt Hutchinson would get any longer than a one year deal and he can cover right back, centre back and holding midfield. Chilvers can play anywhere behind the striker and is the exact type we should be getting from league two, good age, good resale etc. Assume it would mean moncur is offloaded but would love to keep GM would make us very strong squad wise (finances permitting) |
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Post by eca on Jul 23, 2024 4:50:43 GMT
What I like in GM is that he actually can hold onto the ball by shielding thus allowing other players to move to an advantage position.
Because his basic football skills exceed most it widens the spectrum of other players chances
Unfortunately people demand running around excessively a greater required attribute
Think of a bag of golf clubs all designed individually to compliment the other sticks in the bag
A football team is no different in principle objectives
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Post by kbola on Jul 23, 2024 5:22:08 GMT
Welcome Martin Shivers, legendary status in E10 awaits my son
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2024 6:05:52 GMT
According to Transfermarkt, Chilvers is worth €375k to Moncs' €325k. According to Salarysport, Chilvers is on £900 a week to Moncs' £4200. No way are Colchester paying that. That'd make him their highest earner by at least a grand. I'm guessing Moncs would probably agree to a bit of a salary cut for a longer contract. Then we'd likely agree to pay a chunk of that wage for the year left on his contract. I presume we'd be paying this kid in the region of about 2 grand a week, plus another 2 grand for a year on Moncs' wages. I'd be very curious about the details if this happens. There are National league teams paying what's on table at the O's. But Colchester aren't. |
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Post by MungO on Jul 23, 2024 6:16:37 GMT
Crazy isn't it that football league teams are limited in what they can spend and on wages (this is a good thing by the way) and National League teams aren't.
The crazy world of football.
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Post by dennisrofe on Jul 23, 2024 7:10:31 GMT
Crazy isn't it that football league teams are limited in what they can spend and on wages (this is a good thing by the way) and National League teams aren't. The crazy world of football. I did not know that and yes it is very strange ? |
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Post by duvb on Jul 23, 2024 7:13:43 GMT
If Chilvers signs maybe Hutchison wont be offered a deal. Have you ever actually seen Hutchison play?! Nope |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jul 23, 2024 7:29:42 GMT
What I like in GM is that he actually can hold onto the ball by shielding thus allowing other players to move to an advantage position. Because his basic football skills exceed most it widens the spectrum of other players chances Unfortunately people demand running around excessively a greater required attribute Think of a bag of golf clubs all designed individually to compliment the other sticks in the bag A football team is no different in principle objectives Excellent post and you raised some very valid points regarding George Moncur. On the other hand, George is reputably the highest paid player in the Leyton Orient team and part of the job of being a professional footballer is to be extremely fit and it would seem that in this regard, George needs to improve his fitness to fulfill his full potential in this team and any other team that he might join in future. After all, life as a pro footballer is a fairly short one, its a very well paid job so you have to give it your best shot while you can !! Also the senior professionals need too set a good example to the younger up and coming players.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2024 7:54:10 GMT
Crazy isn't it that football league teams are limited in what they can spend and on wages (this is a good thing by the way) and National League teams aren't. The crazy world of football. I did not know that and yes it is very strange ? Afaik this was only briefly true, when the EFL tried to introduce wage caps during the pandemic. They scrapped those in favour of Salary Cost Management Protocol (more or less the FFP rules we all know and love 🙄). I believe the National League also uses SCMP, although I'm sure it works a bit differently. I had a look and it seems the limit is 60% of turnover in League 1 and 55% of turnover in League 2. Couldn't find details on the National League other than confirmation that it exists in some form. Were wage caps in place, Wrexham's model would've collapsed once they got to League 2. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jul 23, 2024 7:56:05 GMT
Impressive interview below with Sam Hutchinson relating to the game Shrewsbury Town 3-2 Reading on 11 November 2023
Seems like he is a mature and responsible older professional footballer who might still have something to offer.
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Post by MungO on Jul 23, 2024 13:00:43 GMT
I did not know that and yes it is very strange ? Afaik this was only briefly true, when the EFL tried to introduce wage caps during the pandemic. They scrapped those in favour of Salary Cost Management Protocol (more or less the FFP rules we all know and love 🙄). I believe the National League also uses SCMP, although I'm sure it works a bit differently. I had a look and it seems the limit is 60% of turnover in League 1 and 55% of turnover in League 2. Couldn't find details on the National League other than confirmation that it exists in some form. Were wage caps in place, Wrexham's model would've collapsed once they got to League 2. It isn't wage caps it's revenue or turnover or something. It is still in place and Wrexham got around it by pumping more money in to bring the percentage down when they joined the Football League. In the National League I don't believe such things exist, but even if they do they aren't as stringent as in the Football League. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2024 13:49:58 GMT
Afaik this was only briefly true, when the EFL tried to introduce wage caps during the pandemic. They scrapped those in favour of Salary Cost Management Protocol (more or less the FFP rules we all know and love 🙄). I believe the National League also uses SCMP, although I'm sure it works a bit differently. I had a look and it seems the limit is 60% of turnover in League 1 and 55% of turnover in League 2. Couldn't find details on the National League other than confirmation that it exists in some form. Were wage caps in place, Wrexham's model would've collapsed once they got to League 2. It isn't wage caps it's revenue or turnover or something. It is still in place and Wrexham got around it by pumping more money in to bring the percentage down when they joined the Football League. In the National League I don't believe such things exist, but even if they do they aren't as stringent as in the Football League. There are loose restrictions where clubs can be embargoed for failing to meet financial obligations. I'm not sure if they can be said to be less stringent but they're certainly not as strictly defined. |
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Post by MungO on Jul 23, 2024 14:49:57 GMT
I just looked Noah Chilvers up and he looks a right rascal 🙂
Like a Beano or Dandy character, a cheeky chappy.
Let's get him in the building.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2024 7:56:45 GMT
My Colchester-supporting mate finally got back to me. Rates him highly. Says he's been one of their best and most consistent players for the past 3/4 seasons.
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Post by Ramrod on Jul 25, 2024 8:52:53 GMT
A swap deal would seem to suit all parties. Chilvers gets a step up, GM gets to continue to live and play locally. Question is what we'd have to shell out to make it happen.
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Post by Top of the JES on Jul 25, 2024 12:51:05 GMT
Won't be a swap as such as Chilvers is out of contract. So it would be about agreeing a deal with the player and then a compensation amount to ColU because of his age. Moncur would if he is going, be quite a complex I suspect. he would leave on a free but with the O's paying a high percentage of his wages or a lump sum to the player to compensate the rest or some of his contract.
The alternative is Moncur can just play hardball, do the basics re training and not play and pick up his rumoured £4k a week.
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Post by blip the thrOttle on Jul 25, 2024 13:30:49 GMT
Won't be a swap as such as Chilvers is out of contract. So it would be about agreeing a deal with the player and then a compensation amount to ColU because of his age. Moncur would if he is going, be quite a complex I suspect. he would leave on a free but with the O's paying a high percentage of his wages or a lump sum to the player to compensate the rest or some of his contract. The alternative is Moncur can just play hardball, do the basics re training and not play and pick up his rumoured £4k a week. Indeed, Moncur still being under contract to the O's has no obligation to transfer to another club, like you say Moncs could just continue train and not play and pick up his rumoured 4 grand a week or the club and Moncs mutually agree to terminate his contract, either way the club will be paying his wages up to the expiration of his contract, either way imo there won't be any swap deal. |
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Post by mrb on Jul 25, 2024 21:43:41 GMT
Thought he wa going to be revealed today!!😄😁
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Post by billericayo on Jul 26, 2024 6:00:39 GMT
What I like in GM is that he actually can hold onto the ball by shielding thus allowing other players to move to an advantage position. Because his basic football skills exceed most it widens the spectrum of other players chances Unfortunately people demand running around excessively a greater required attribute Think of a bag of golf clubs all designed individually to compliment the other sticks in the bag A football team is no different in principle objectives George is good at passing the ball back to the guy that's just given it to him. |
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Post by lukeryan on Aug 1, 2024 2:39:09 GMT
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