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Post by tattyfilarious on Jul 26, 2024 18:13:51 GMT
There are 13 players who will be out of contract in the summer next year. Needs to be some contract extensions before then!
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Post by dohnut on Jul 26, 2024 18:14:56 GMT
There are 13 players who will be out of contract in the summer next year. Needs to be some contract extensions before then! I agree or it’s a massive rebuild. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 26, 2024 21:11:40 GMT
We lost 10 players and we've taken quite sometime to sign 6, I'd suggest 13 is beyond our capabilities.
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Post by alfresco on Jul 26, 2024 21:26:59 GMT
The club really needs to offer extensions to the contacts of the best players, otherwise they will go for free next summer.
I would like to see players like Agyei and Galbraith, offered contract extensions around October, and told that if they don't sign them, the club will put them on the transfer list in January, so they can get some money for them.
We got something for Ruel, but I'd bet it was nowhere near his market value.
It keeps happening
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Post by Fisch on Jul 26, 2024 21:48:54 GMT
Why would Galbraith, Agyei, O'Neill, Smith, Graham, Brown.... sign an extension? I suggest they are all confident of their value and will be hoping "the big one" will come in for them if they have a decent 2024/25 season?
That's very less likely if they are contracted and thus a transfer fee is payable. If I were one of them, I'd decline a further deal unless I was convinced a better offer won't be made for me.
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Post by Thor on Jul 26, 2024 21:55:53 GMT
Why would Galbraith, Agyei, O'Neill, Smith, Graham, Brown.... sign an extension? I suggest they are all confident of their value and will be hoping "the big one" will come in for them if they have a decent 2024/25 season? That's very less likely if they are contracted and thus a transfer fee is payable. If I were one of them, I'd decline a further deal unless I was convinced a better offer won't be made for me. or we demonstrate true ambition by having a proper go at getting up a division and convince them the grass isn't greener. I suppose we can dream... |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 26, 2024 22:03:07 GMT
Why would Galbraith, Agyei, O'Neill, Smith, Graham, Brown.... sign an extension? I suggest they are all confident of their value and will be hoping "the big one" will come in for them if they have a decent 2024/25 season? That's very less likely if they are contracted and thus a transfer fee is payable. If I were one of them, I'd decline a further deal unless I was convinced a better offer won't be made for me. Pretty much how I see it. The better players know they will get deals elsewhere. With no transfer fee they will be better able to negotiate improved terms. I would not sign an extension for sure. I know contract lengths are not always in the clubs control but we do seem to get it wrong very often. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 27, 2024 7:08:44 GMT
Peterborough don't seem to struggle with contracts. Just saying.
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Post by Fisch on Jul 27, 2024 7:18:50 GMT
Peterborough don't seem to struggle with contracts. Just saying. I guess they are paying considerably more so are already regarded as "a big one". |
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Post by Thor on Jul 27, 2024 9:17:04 GMT
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, what I do see is a club who has made the championship quite a few times now. OK they also get relegated, I'd take that.
However, for me as a player they develop players well, you just have to look at the values some of their players get sold for and or the level they are playing at now. I'd take that too.
I've said before, this is a model we could utilise / borrow the best bits and add to what we have and do.
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Post by osoldguy on Jul 27, 2024 9:35:57 GMT
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, what I do see is a club who has made the championship quite a few times now. OK they also get relegated, I'd take that. However, for me as a player they develop players well, you just have to look at the values some of their players get sold for and or the level they are playing at now. I'd take that too. I've said before, this is a model we could utilise / borrow the best bits and add to what we have and do. The only way O's can use the Posh as a model is to do the following: Massively increase their scouting and recruitment operation by expanding the area they currently recruit from. Posh employ training hubs around the area of Peterborough for players from 7 -18. The Hubs are operated as a separate operation and if players are seen with potential are then offered academy opportunities. Full time managers with over 70 part time scouts employed by Posh. Iwas very surprised by another club in East Anglia Norwich who scout as far as South America with two full time scouts employed by them. |
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Post by redshank on Jul 27, 2024 10:34:51 GMT
Makes you wonder how we ever got promoted to League 1.Must be doing something wrong.
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Post by osoldguy on Jul 27, 2024 11:21:23 GMT
Makes you wonder how we ever got promoted to League 1.Must be doing something wrong. I don't think comments made of the O's recruiting regime as a criticism but more of how in the future things could be changed to avail of greater recruitment opportunities. As a footnote to the way Posh carry out their operation. They are shrewd and calculating in the way it funds these training hubs. Gone are the days when clubs pay the players expenses for attending. Not only do the Parents or Guardians pay Subs to junior clubs to allow the normal matches on a weekend. Posh charge parents £50 every 6 weeks for their child to attend these Hubs. Posh arrange games aboard where again the Parents are expected to foot the cost e.g Holland with a cost to up to £400 per child. It is an indictment on today's junior level where once football was equally available to all in society, now sadly only those with the required income can give the attachment to a pro club this opportunity to their kids. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 27, 2024 13:07:53 GMT
Makes you wonder how we ever got promoted to League 1.Must be doing something wrong. red my comments are aimed at how we can improve, how we can be better. Thats no dig at what we do but what we can do better. If that means longer contracts, so be it. If that means we leverage what another club does, so be it. If we stand still we ultimately go backwards. The club has said it wants to develop young players to sell on for profit, the only way you do that is either bring them through yourself or you develop other people's cast offs or bosman signings. Ethan is one we have developed in the season he has been here, we can all see that he is a far better player than when he first joined. Now we will potentially lose him for nothing at the end of this season. Didn't we believe in his potential? Did we offer and he refuse a 3 year contract? We're we too timid in tying him down? I don't know the answer. What I do know is that he holds all the cards now. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 27, 2024 13:09:12 GMT
Makes you wonder how we ever got promoted to League 1.Must be doing something wrong. I don't think comments made of the O's recruiting regime as a criticism but more of how in the future things could be changed to avail of greater recruitment opportunities. As a footnote to the way Posh carry out their operation. They are shrewd and calculating in the way it funds these training hubs. Gone are the days when clubs pay the players expenses for attending. Not only do the Parents or Guardians pay Subs to junior clubs to allow the normal matches on a weekend. Posh charge parents £50 every 6 weeks for their child to attend these Hubs. Posh arrange games aboard where again the Parents are expected to foot the cost e.g Holland with a cost to up to £400 per child. It is an indictment on today's junior level where once football was equally available to all in society, now sadly only those with the required income can give the attachment to a pro club this opportunity to their kids. not sure that's an academy, that sounds like a development cwmtre where you pay as your son or daughter is not quite good enough to be in the academy, but you might develop to transfer across if you train on. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 27, 2024 13:19:24 GMT
Makes you wonder how we ever got promoted to League 1.Must be doing something wrong. red my comments are aimed at how we can improve, how we can be better. Thats no dig at what we do but what we can do better. If that means longer contracts, so be it. If that means we leverage what another club does, so be it. If we stand still we ultimately go backwards. The club has said it wants to develop young players to sell on for profit, the only way you do that is either bring them through yourself or you develop other people's cast offs or bosman signings. Ethan is one we have developed in the season he has been here, we can all see that he is a far better player than when he first joined. Now we will potentially lose him for nothing at the end of this season. Didn't we believe in his potential? Did we offer and he refuse a 3 year contract? Were we too timid in tying him down? I don't know the answer. What I do know is that he holds all the cards now. Think you make a valid point. Looking at how we can perhaps improve going forward isn’t taking a swing at what we have done before. Because we are not where we were before. Things have changed, definitely for the better, and for that upwards momentum to continue it’s important to look to the future. If other clubs do things that reap better rewards, then understand their model and copy it where appropriate. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jul 27, 2024 13:29:28 GMT
red my comments are aimed at how we can improve, how we can be better. Thats no dig at what we do but what we can do better. If that means longer contracts, so be it. If that means we leverage what another club does, so be it. If we stand still we ultimately go backwards. The club has said it wants to develop young players to sell on for profit, the only way you do that is either bring them through yourself or you develop other people's cast offs or bosman signings. Ethan is one we have developed in the season he has been here, we can all see that he is a far better player than when he first joined. Now we will potentially lose him for nothing at the end of this season. Didn't we believe in his potential? Did we offer and he refuse a 3 year contract? Were we too timid in tying him down? I don't know the answer. What I do know is that he holds all the cards now. Think you make a valid point. Looking at how we can perhaps improve going forward isn’t taking a swing at what we have done before. Because we are not where we were before. Things have changed, definitely for the better, and for that upwards momentum to continue it’s important to look to the future. If other clubs do things that reap better rewards, then understand their model and copy it where appropriate. Sign promising players on a two year contract with the club having the option of another years extension to the contract. Also put in a guaranteed transfer value price which the club would accept if the player wanted to move on whilst he was contracted to the club. |
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Post by redshank on Jul 27, 2024 15:00:18 GMT
Only one Orient,we do things our way is my point.Give us a chance.
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Post by dohnut on Jul 27, 2024 15:58:33 GMT
Only one Orient,we do things our way is my point.Give us a chance. Did a course on Neuro-Linguistic programming. More interesting than it sounds. One point made was the value in looking at what made other people successful. If you are prepared to model your habits on those traits, it may help you in becoming successful too. Point being we can all learn from others. |
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