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Post by bigron on Sept 11, 2024 9:39:05 GMT
At least this takes our mind off the Goalkeeper 😂😂 Until Saturday!😆👍 Apparently new keeper Josh Keely made a bad mistake last night leading to Latvia scoring against Ireland's U21s , should fit right in 😂
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Post by sammiiii on Sept 11, 2024 9:41:47 GMT
Let’s hope he’ll be that important cog in midfield we need.. if he stays fit I made the point earlier on in this thread that by signing Dominic Ball it potentially raises a bit of a question about the status of Lewis Warrington in the squad. On reflection I think it also highlights the folly of giving Darren Pratley another 12 month deal. Pratley point is interesting, I thought he played well at Millwall and couldn't see why he didn't come on vs Charlton when we needed to see out a game. Does make you wonder why another year (minus the brilliant chants of course)
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 11, 2024 9:46:44 GMT
I really hope he provides the skills and experience we desperately need in midfield. Moreover the leadership on the field we so sadly lack in that area. On paper this looks like an excellent signing and if all goes well one that lasts longer than one season. And at last we have signed a player that fits the profile of what RW has been asking for, for some time. Have to wonder if behind the scenes discussions have led to this. Especially with most of the season still to come. Have to say my confidence in the squad has increased. Look forward to him getting match fit and playing. ''Look forward to him getting match fit and playing'' Well let's hope that does indeed happen.
That seems to be a constant theme with these players we have signed over the past few years when they are carrying injuries, remember Callum Reilly another one signed that you had great hopes for ''when he got match fit'' !! When will the young player Warrington get match fit and playing ? Doesnt seem like George Moncur has that same problem when playing for Southend though does it !
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 11, 2024 10:03:57 GMT
Let’s hope he’ll be that important cog in midfield we need.. if he stays fit I made the point earlier on in this thread that by signing Dominic Ball it potentially raises a bit of a question about the status of Lewis Warrington in the squad. On reflection I think it also highlights the folly of giving Darren Pratley another 12 month deal. Like you, I wonder what the issue is with Lewis Warrington ? A big write up about him here on the ''Toffee web. Seems like he loves Everton and he was a highly rated young player when there but reading further down it says.... '' After playing in a couple of pre-season games under Sean Dyche, another loan was arranged for him in June 2023, this time to Plymouth Argyle. But things didn't go well at Home Park with Jordan Houghton keeping him out of the first-team squad and he then sustained a serious knee injury that terminated his loan spell at the end of December 2023. It turned out that he didn't need surgery and made a full recovery by the end of March but, despite joining the senior squad and getting on the bench for 8 Premier League games under Sean Dyche, Lewis only appeared for his senior debut as a 90th-minute substitute against Sheffield United in Everton's penultimate game of the season that would be his last at Goodison Park. He was released in June 2024 at the age of 21, marking the end of a 15-year spell at the Club he had joined as a schoolboy and he would later sign for Leyton Orient in League One, who gave him a 2-year contract that summer.''
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Post by mujtahido on Sept 11, 2024 10:31:29 GMT
Dominic Ball is an excellent signing.Every player is a risk regarding injuries as nobody has a crystal ball.
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Post by redintheface on Sept 11, 2024 10:44:44 GMT
I made the point earlier on in this thread that by signing Dominic Ball it potentially raises a bit of a question about the status of Lewis Warrington in the squad. On reflection I think it also highlights the folly of giving Darren Pratley another 12 month deal. Pratley point is interesting, I thought he played well at Millwall and couldn't see why he didn't come on vs Charlton when we needed to see out a game. Does make you wonder why another year (minus the brilliant chants of course) He did play well @ Millwall - as did the team overall on the night - in a game that was played for long periods at three quarter pace and a distinct lack of “ bite”. That imho does not justify the additional 12 month contract extension especially at a time when the club clearly has a playing budget that is stretched to its limit.
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Post by redintheface on Sept 11, 2024 10:55:19 GMT
I made the point earlier on in this thread that by signing Dominic Ball it potentially raises a bit of a question about the status of Lewis Warrington in the squad. On reflection I think it also highlights the folly of giving Darren Pratley another 12 month deal. Like you, I wonder what the issue is with Lewis Warrington ? A big write up about him here on the ''Toffee web. Seems like he loves Everton and he was a highly rated young player when there but reading further down it says.... '' After playing in a couple of pre-season games under Sean Dyche, another loan was arranged for him in June 2023, this time to Plymouth Argyle. But things didn't go well at Home Park with Jordan Houghton keeping him out of the first-team squad and he then sustained a serious knee injury that terminated his loan spell at the end of December 2023. It turned out that he didn't need surgery and made a full recovery by the end of March but, despite joining the senior squad and getting on the bench for 8 Premier League games under Sean Dyche, Lewis only appeared for his senior debut as a 90th-minute substitute against Sheffield United in Everton's penultimate game of the season that would be his last at Goodison Park. He was released in June 2024 at the age of 21, marking the end of a 15-year spell at the Club he had joined as a schoolboy and he would later sign for Leyton Orient in League One, who gave him a 2-year contract that summer.'' I’m not saying there is an “ issue” with Warrington in this case Dennis. The acquisition of Dom Ball would indicate that RW’s prior comments about needing more experienced players in midfield have been taken seriously and acted upon, albeit somewhat belatedly. I guess my point was that we know Richie has, in several instances weighed up players quickly and determined that - for whatever reason - they don’t fit the profile he requires. It’s still obviously very early days for Warrington but he has not featured to any great degree so far this season and Ball coming in doesn’t exactly increase his chances of a starting role I should think.👍
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Post by MungO on Sept 11, 2024 12:39:51 GMT
I think we all read too much into things sometimes and this is my only criticism of our current owners. Sometimes they can tell us too much.
Dom Ball is a good signing. He has passed a medical. And as someone mentioned previously, none of us have a crystal ball.
If you'd have mentioned before the close season that we'd sign a player to replace El-Miz who had just won promotion to the Premier League we'd all have been peeing ourselves in anticipation and packing El-Miz on his merry way.
Personal view: Do I think this is a signing the club wanted to make? No I don't. I believe the club and possibly to a lesser extent Richie too, thought we could have got by on the loans and younger signings we made to kick us around mid table all season.
As it turns out I think the club knew that they dropped a bollock and have realised we didn't have enough in midfield.
This is good and bad in equal measure. Bad that we left ourselves initially short. Good that the club and Richie have picked up on this and hopefully plugged the gap early on.
As for Warrington. None of us really know what is going on. He is a very young lad moving from up North to a new team, new surroundings, new culture, etc. I can imagine for the last 15 years playing for Everton has been quite sugarcoated and a lot has been done for him.
The young man will take time to settle. And having players like Dom Ball around him will massively help. He will settle but will go through good and bad patches. Just like O'Neill is and Galbraith did. We all thought Coleman was gonna be better than Brown but look how that turned out. Brown took time to settle.
Back to signing the likes of Ball, Beckles and Pratley (Attorneys of Law), it's as much about what they do off the pitch as what they do on it.
We have a good history of us playing better with an older head or two in the team. Like when our fortunes changed when Brill started playing, or Pratley was utilised properly. And Jobi taking us up. Ball will be the same.
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Post by redintheface on Sept 11, 2024 13:01:23 GMT
I think we all read too much into things sometimes and this is my only criticism of our current owners. Sometimes they can tell us too much. Dom Ball is a good signing. He has passed a medical. And as someone mentioned previously, none of us have a crystal ball. If you'd have mentioned before the close season that we'd sign a player to replace El-Miz who had just won promotion to the Premier League we'd all have been peeing ourselves in anticipation and packing El-Miz on his merry way. Personal view: Do I think this is a signing the club wanted to make? No I don't. I believe the club and possibly to a lesser extent Richie too, thought we could have got by on the loans and younger signings we made to kick us around mid table all season. As it turns out I think the club knew that they dropped a bollock and have realised we didn't have enough in midfield. This is good and bad in equal measure. Bad that we left ourselves initially short. Good that the club and Richie have picked up on this and hopefully plugged the gap early on. As for Warrington. None of us really know what is going on. He is a very young lad moving from up North to a new team, new surroundings, new culture, etc. I can imagine for the last 15 years playing for Everton has been quite sugarcoated and a lot has been done for him. The young man will take time to settle. And having players like Dom Ball around him will massively help. He will settle but will go through good and bad patches. Just like O'Neill is and Galbraith did. We all thought Coleman was gonna be better than Brown but look how that turned out. Brown took time to settle. Back to signing the likes of Ball, Beckles and Pratley (Attorneys of Law), it's as much about what they do off the pitch as what they do on it. We have a good history of us playing better with an older head or two in the team. Like when our fortunes changed when Brill started playing, or Pratley was utilised properly. And Jobi taking us up. Ball will be the same. Sorry mungo but I’m not buying the “ what they do off the pitch” argument”. If you want to employ them as coaches/ psychologists/ cheerleaders that’s fine but don’t sign them up as players knowing full well they cannot meet the requirements of a 46 game league season. By the way I agree wholeheartedly that Ball seems like a good signing and one who should make a significant contribution when he is up and running. 👍
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Post by sammiiii on Sept 11, 2024 13:05:14 GMT
I think we all read too much into things sometimes and this is my only criticism of our current owners. Sometimes they can tell us too much. Dom Ball is a good signing. He has passed a medical. And as someone mentioned previously, none of us have a crystal ball. If you'd have mentioned before the close season that we'd sign a player to replace El-Miz who had just won promotion to the Premier League we'd all have been peeing ourselves in anticipation and packing El-Miz on his merry way. Personal view: Do I think this is a signing the club wanted to make? No I don't. I believe the club and possibly to a lesser extent Richie too, thought we could have got by on the loans and younger signings we made to kick us around mid table all season. As it turns out I think the club knew that they dropped a bollock and have realised we didn't have enough in midfield. This is good and bad in equal measure. Bad that we left ourselves initially short. Good that the club and Richie have picked up on this and hopefully plugged the gap early on. As for Warrington. None of us really know what is going on. He is a very young lad moving from up North to a new team, new surroundings, new culture, etc. I can imagine for the last 15 years playing for Everton has been quite sugarcoated and a lot has been done for him. The young man will take time to settle. And having players like Dom Ball around him will massively help. He will settle but will go through good and bad patches. Just like O'Neill is and Galbraith did. We all thought Coleman was gonna be better than Brown but look how that turned out. Brown took time to settle. Back to signing the likes of Ball, Beckles and Pratley (Attorneys of Law), it's as much about what they do off the pitch as what they do on it. We have a good history of us playing better with an older head or two in the team. Like when our fortunes changed when Brill started playing, or Pratley was utilised properly. And Jobi taking us up. Ball will be the same. Fully agree. For the last point, I think that is the most important improvement that can be made - being smarter with the way we use our experienced players
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Post by MungO on Sept 11, 2024 13:28:43 GMT
I think we all read too much into things sometimes and this is my only criticism of our current owners. Sometimes they can tell us too much. Dom Ball is a good signing. He has passed a medical. And as someone mentioned previously, none of us have a crystal ball. If you'd have mentioned before the close season that we'd sign a player to replace El-Miz who had just won promotion to the Premier League we'd all have been peeing ourselves in anticipation and packing El-Miz on his merry way. Personal view: Do I think this is a signing the club wanted to make? No I don't. I believe the club and possibly to a lesser extent Richie too, thought we could have got by on the loans and younger signings we made to kick us around mid table all season. As it turns out I think the club knew that they dropped a bollock and have realised we didn't have enough in midfield. This is good and bad in equal measure. Bad that we left ourselves initially short. Good that the club and Richie have picked up on this and hopefully plugged the gap early on. As for Warrington. None of us really know what is going on. He is a very young lad moving from up North to a new team, new surroundings, new culture, etc. I can imagine for the last 15 years playing for Everton has been quite sugarcoated and a lot has been done for him. The young man will take time to settle. And having players like Dom Ball around him will massively help. He will settle but will go through good and bad patches. Just like O'Neill is and Galbraith did. We all thought Coleman was gonna be better than Brown but look how that turned out. Brown took time to settle. Back to signing the likes of Ball, Beckles and Pratley (Attorneys of Law), it's as much about what they do off the pitch as what they do on it. We have a good history of us playing better with an older head or two in the team. Like when our fortunes changed when Brill started playing, or Pratley was utilised properly. And Jobi taking us up. Ball will be the same. Sorry mungo but I’m not buying the “ what they do off the pitch” argument”. If you want to employ them as coaches/ psychologists/ cheerleaders that’s fine but don’t sign them up as players knowing full well they cannot meet the requirements of a 46 game league season. By the way I agree wholeheartedly that Ball seems like a good signing and one who should make a significant contribution when he is up and running. 👍 I'm not saying at all that Ball, Pratley or Beckles can't complete 90 minutes. Just that to have Warrington, Galbraith, Brown, El-Miz, Donley, etc learning their trade from older heads both on the pitch and off it is more beneficial than a load of younger pros trying to learn from each other. That said I think Pratley would be the first to admit that it would be a big ask for him to play all 90 minutes of all 46 games. But then I think a 25 year old might say the same.
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Post by redintheface on Sept 11, 2024 13:40:35 GMT
Sorry mungo but I’m not buying the “ what they do off the pitch” argument”. If you want to employ them as coaches/ psychologists/ cheerleaders that’s fine but don’t sign them up as players knowing full well they cannot meet the requirements of a 46 game league season. By the way I agree wholeheartedly that Ball seems like a good signing and one who should make a significant contribution when he is up and running. 👍 I'm not saying at all that Ball, Pratley or Beckles can't complete 90 minutes. Just that to have Warrington, Galbraith, Brown, El-Miz, Donley, etc learning their trade from older heads both on the pitch and off it is more beneficial than a load of younger pros trying to learn from each other. That said I think Pratley would be the first to admit that it would be a big ask for him to play all 90 minutes of all 46 games. But then I think a 25 year old might say the same. I think I was the one saying Pratley can’t compete over 90 mins not you!😆👍My point still remains however, at a time when the playing budget is under severe constraint, I think a mistake was made in giving another year to Pratley as a player. If his influence is as great as you suggest then employ him in a different role that better suits his current skill set. 👍
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Post by MungO on Sept 11, 2024 13:54:06 GMT
I hear that.
I do wonder if they do participate in coaching too if that's where they see their careers going after playing.
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Post by Thor on Sept 11, 2024 13:59:08 GMT
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Post by dohnut on Sept 11, 2024 14:36:46 GMT
Dominic Ball is an excellent signing.Every player is a risk regarding injuries as nobody has a crystal ball. There is a risk when signing a player on the back of an injury when the said player has had little time to prove full recovery. But the club know this better than us and after past cock-ups we won’t make the same mistake again. He’s fit and ready I’m sure.
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Post by watfordo on Sept 11, 2024 14:48:06 GMT
Replying to the criticism of letting Moncs go cos hes played minutes for Southend. I just want to point out that Southend are currently TWO leagues below us. The standard, as we know, is completely different.
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Post by redintheface on Sept 11, 2024 15:05:55 GMT
I thought the short interview with Dominic Ball was very well done. He sounds like an intelligent and articulate individual who has a realistic outlook on what he can bring to the team . Impressed.
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Post by kbola on Sept 11, 2024 15:51:36 GMT
I thought the short interview with Dominic Ball was very well done. He sounds like an intelligent and articulate individual who has a realistic outlook on what he can bring to the team . Impressed. To be honest red, I could care less he if he only communicated in a series of grunts and belches as long as he dominates the midfield and bangs in a few goals.
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Post by dohnut on Sept 11, 2024 16:12:02 GMT
I thought the short interview with Dominic Ball was very well done. He sounds like an intelligent and articulate individual who has a realistic outlook on what he can bring to the team . Impressed. To be honest red, I could care less he if he only communicated in a series of grunts and belches as long as he dominates the midfield and bangs in a few goals. And has the personality to influence those around him both by what he does and how he communicates. A series of grunts won’t do. Being articulate may well achieve that.
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Post by redintheface on Sept 11, 2024 16:24:15 GMT
I thought the short interview with Dominic Ball was very well done. He sounds like an intelligent and articulate individual who has a realistic outlook on what he can bring to the team . Impressed. To be honest red, I could care less he if he only communicated in a series of grunts and belches as long as he dominates the midfield and bangs in a few goals. You could care less? 😆. Maybe a follow up interview should be carried out by means of heliograph ?😆😆👍
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