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Post by redintheface on Nov 26, 2016 17:34:22 GMT
Of the 13 players we have signed either during the close season or during this seasons transfer window / free agents , who do you think has made a positive contribution ? I am not including the mythical Teddy Mezague in the list even though as yet he has made the fewest mistakes of all the signings we have made!  Callum Kennedy Robbie Weir Liam Kelly Tom Parkes Jordan Bowery Gavin Massey Yvan Erichot Ulrich N'nomo Harry Cornick Jens Janse Michael Collins Zan Benidicic Select up to 3 names ( if you can find that many) |
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Post by mrb on Nov 26, 2016 17:47:39 GMT
1,average 4/10 2,he can take a hike..terrible 1/10 3,jury is out..decent enough but injury put paid to that 5/10 4,average 4/10 5,he can take a hike..I'll drive him away from Brisbane Road 2/10 6,Masseyve disappointment 4/10 7,crap! 1/10 8,N'no N'no thank you.2/10 9,see 3 5/10 10,awful!! and that's a compliment 0/10 11,decent player..would look better in a better team 6/10 12,jeeeeeesuss christ!! Is he REALLY a professional footballer?  ?? -0/10 |
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Post by Ramrod on Nov 26, 2016 18:03:52 GMT
All of which pretty much explains why we are where we are and the size of the job facing us.
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Post by redintheface on Nov 26, 2016 19:38:21 GMT
1,average 4/10 2,he can take a hike..terrible 1/10 3,jury is out..decent enough but injury put paid to that 5/10 4,average 4/10 5,he can take a hike..I'll drive him away from Brisbane Road 2/10 6,Masseyve disappointment 4/10 7,crap! 1/10 8,N'no N'no thank you.2/10 9,see 3 5/10 10,awful!! and that's a compliment 0/10 11,decent player..would look better in a better team 6/10 12,jeeeeeesuss christ!! Is he REALLY a professional footballer? ?? -0/10 Pretty much spot on for me - I'd probably make Kelly the best of the bunch and I feel a bit for Parkes as he never seems to have a decent centre back to partner him . Cornick could be a good 'un but sadly not in our lot. |
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Post by therealjabster on Nov 28, 2016 12:54:23 GMT
Whatever happens, I'm sure all O's fans will wish Andy and Webby well. They're definitely the right men for the job given the fact that they've both been at the club throughout all the nonsense of the past 28 months, are proper football men and have shown tremendous loyalty in the face of what must have been extremely difficult working conditions. If left alone to manage they'll get us out of this mess created by the incompetent circus who haven't got a single thing right since they rocked up in E10.
The key to it all is whether Andy will be given time to do the job without any interference from the snakes who get themselves down to the training ground and act as spies on behalf of Becchetti. They're football knowledge is zero, they're sycophants and are clearly absolutely terrified of the owner.
As for Gagliardi, who's one of these, don't get me started. All of the players he's been responsible for recruiting are not even Vanarama Conference level. Who in their right mind would sign players for a professional football club based on video/youtube clips of their 'best bits', including a player in Mezague who was signed for his 'potential' and is still trying to recover from a career threatening injury. If it wasn't so sad it would be laughable. Gagliardi is stealing a wage from our club and should be binned along with all the players he's been responsible for.
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Post by redintheface on Nov 28, 2016 13:29:39 GMT
Jabster- just to play devil's advocate for a minute , let me ask this - is there an argument for saying Andy E & Webby might bepart of the problem , given as you say they have been in place at the club ( albeit in different roles for much of the time) over the period of Il Presidente's reign? Maybe a complete shake up was what we needed.? Re Gagliardi - if he recruited Cornick , Kelly , Parkes & Collins ( as presumably he did) is not fair to say that at least some of his signings are above Vanarama standard?
After a total of 3 games ( 1 draw , 2 defeats and 1 goal for and 5 against) I think It's too early to judge whether the new top two are the right men for job. I certainly hope they are and will give them my backing as all O's fans should but given FB's record re appointing manager's to date I'm still unsure.
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Post by Ramrod on Nov 28, 2016 14:39:54 GMT
In my view E&W start with a completely clean slate (and a clean conscience). My impression was that Hess may have had some/a little say in the summer signings as they seemed to be made on the back of a thorough review of the club's needs and he seemed very pleased with them. At the time I thought we'd got it pretty much right, but like last season it quickly became apparent that there are some real donkeys in there. This year there are so many that I'm not sure we can stay up whatever E&W do. The post-summer signings can only have been recruited by a numbskull who has left us with a right shambles on our hands.
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Post by redintheface on Nov 28, 2016 15:05:49 GMT
In my view E&W start with a completely clean slate (and a clean conscience). My impression was that Hess may have had some/a little say in the summer signings as they seemed to be made on the back of a thorough review of the club's needs and he seemed very pleased with them. At the time I thought we'd got it pretty much right, but like last season it quickly became apparent that there are some real donkeys in there. This year there are so many that I'm not sure we can stay up whatever E&W do. The post-summer signings can only have been recruited by a numbskull who has left us with a right shambles on our hands. Fair enough! |
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Post by mayland0s on Nov 28, 2016 15:41:46 GMT
Jabster- just to play devil's advocate for a minute , let me ask this - is there an argument for saying Andy E & Webby might bepart of the problem , given as you say they have been in place at the club ( albeit in different roles for much of the time) over the period of Il Presidente's reign? Maybe a complete shake up was what we needed.? Re Gagliardi - if he recruited Cornick , Kelly , Parkes & Collins ( as presumably he did) is not fair to say that at least some of his signings are above Vanarama standard? After a total of 3 games ( 1 draw , 2 defeats and 1 goal for and 5 against) I think It's too early to judge whether the new top two are the right men for job. I certainly hope they are and will give them my backing as all O's fans should but given FB's record re appointing manager's to date I'm still unsure. I thought everyone had got it by now, it doesn't matter who is manager, even if it was Alex Ferguson himself, Becchetti will still have the last say. |
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Post by Ramrod on Nov 28, 2016 15:42:00 GMT
I obviously haven't done my homework as I've just seen on the - er - other board and Wikipedia that our new messiah has actually played football at a decent level. I didn't realise that he was the Edwards who used to play for Brum among others. Whatever, all power to his elbow.
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Post by therealjabster on Dec 1, 2016 11:57:50 GMT
Jabster- just to play devil's advocate for a minute , let me ask this - is there an argument for saying Andy E & Webby might bepart of the problem , given as you say they have been in place at the club ( albeit in different roles for much of the time) over the period of Il Presidente's reign? Maybe a complete shake up was what we needed.? Re Gagliardi - if he recruited Cornick , Kelly , Parkes & Collins ( as presumably he did) is not fair to say that at least some of his signings are above Vanarama standard? After a total of 3 games ( 1 draw , 2 defeats and 1 goal for and 5 against) I think It's too early to judge whether the new top two are the right men for job. I certainly hope they are and will give them my backing as all O's fans should but given FB's record re appointing manager's to date I'm still unsure. My understanding is that Hessenthaler was mainly responsible for the recruitment of Cornick, Kelly & Parkes - arguably, these were three of our better signings in the summer. Collins is obviously a different situation whereby he was a free agent without a pro contract and I'm sure his agent would have hawked him around to various clubs and we were in need of a replacement for Kelly so it seems to have been a perfect fit.
The signings of N'nomo, Benedicic and Janse are certainly down to Gagliardi and anyone who's ever been involved in the game can see that these players are just not good enough to play league football. Gagliardi's continued presence as an employee at this club is symptomatic of the complete and utter shambles which has prevailed under the Becchetti administration. He has no football qualifications or knowledge and possesses an arrogance beyond belief for someone with so little to offer.
If you study Andy Edwards' pedigree as a player with Southend, Peterborough and Birmingham as well as his tenure at the O's as Youth Academy Director, you cannot help but come to the conclusion he's a winner.
He has good organisational skills and a great attention to detail. Furthermore, he'll scout the opposition and their strengths/weaknesses - this is clearly something not done at any point this season under Hessenthaler or Cavasin which has resulted in the inexcusable amount of home defeats by poor teams coming to Leyton and 'picking us off' so easily.
It wouldn't be fair to judge AE/DW on the three results they've so fare overseen. The performance against Plymouth by 9 players for 75 mins of the game was magnificent, comfortably the best at home all season as each and every one of them put their bodies on the line that evening and with a bit of luck might have scraped a point against all the odds. Barnet away was a solid if unspectacular performance and point where the team was set up first and foremost to keep a clean sheet, which they did. Doncaster away on Saturday was always going to be tough with so many injuries and Massey's suspension, given the fact that Andy only had two days to work with the squad. For 44 minutes of that game against arguably one of the strongest sides in this division, we held the lead.
I believe that we'll see a completely different approach and result against Accrington which will, hopefully, be the start of a climb away from the foot of the table. Make no mistake this club has been in freefall since Becchetti and his sycophantic clowns arrived in E10. The level of gross mis-management, disrespect and lack of communication to employees of LOFC cannot be defended or justified in any way. Unless this club can be bought by responsible new owners, I firmly believe it will die. This may be the start of that resurgence as I gather that the owner has returned to Italy and understand he has no plans to return before Christmas.
It's never easy to arrest a downward spiral but I think in AE/DW we have the right men for the job. Time will tell but we certainly all need to get behind them as a fan base and give them and the players our wholehearted support as the Becchetti era looks likely to be drawing towards it's close.
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Post by mayland0s on Dec 1, 2016 12:06:02 GMT
Jabster- just to play devil's advocate for a minute , let me ask this - is there an argument for saying Andy E & Webby might bepart of the problem , given as you say they have been in place at the club ( albeit in different roles for much of the time) over the period of Il Presidente's reign? Maybe a complete shake up was what we needed.? Re Gagliardi - if he recruited Cornick , Kelly , Parkes & Collins ( as presumably he did) is not fair to say that at least some of his signings are above Vanarama standard? After a total of 3 games ( 1 draw , 2 defeats and 1 goal for and 5 against) I think It's too early to judge whether the new top two are the right men for job. I certainly hope they are and will give them my backing as all O's fans should but given FB's record re appointing manager's to date I'm still unsure. My understanding is that Hessenthaler was mainly responsible for the recruitment of Cornick, Kelly & Parkes - arguably, these were three of our better signings in the summer. Collins is obviously a different situation whereby he was a free agent without a pro contract and I'm sure his agent would have hawked him around to various clubs and we were in need of a replacement for Kelly so it seems to have been a perfect fit.
The signings of N'nomo, Benedicic and Janse are certainly down to Gagliardi and anyone who's ever been involved in the game can see that these players are just not good enough to play league football. Gagliardi's continued presence as an employee at this club is symptomatic of the complete and utter shambles which has prevailed under the Becchetti administration. He has no football qualifications or knowledge and possesses an arrogance beyond belief for someone with so little to offer.
If you study Andy Edwards' pedigree as a player with Southend, Peterborough and Birmingham as well as his tenure at the O's as Youth Academy Director, you cannot help but come to the conclusion he's a winner.
He has good organisational skills and a great attention to detail. Furthermore, he'll scout the opposition and their strengths/weaknesses - this is clearly something not done at any point this season under Hessenthaler or Cavasin which has resulted in the inexcusable amount of home defeats by poor teams coming to Leyton and 'picking us off' so easily.
It wouldn't be fair to judge AE/DW on the three results they've so fare overseen. The performance against Plymouth by 9 players for 75 mins of the game was magnificent, comfortably the best at home all season as each and every one of them put their bodies on the line that evening and with a bit of luck might have scraped a point against all the odds. Barnet away was a solid if unspectacular performance and point where the team was set up first and foremost to keep a clean sheet, which they did. Doncaster away on Saturday was always going to be tough with so many injuries and Massey's suspension, given the fact that Andy only had two days to work with the squad. For 44 minutes of that game against arguably one of the strongest sides in this division, we held the lead.
I believe that we'll see a completely different approach and result against Accrington which will, hopefully, be the start of a climb away from the foot of the table. Make no mistake this club has been in freefall since Becchetti and his sycophantic clowns arrived in E10. The level of gross mis-management, disrespect and lack of communication to employees of LOFC cannot be defended or justified in any way. Unless this club can be bought by responsible new owners, I firmly believe it will die. This may be the start of that resurgence as I gather that the owner has returned to Italy and understand he has no plans to return before Christmas.
It's never easy to arrest a downward spiral but I think in AE/DW we have the right men for the job. Time will tell but we certainly all need to get behind them as a fan base and give them and the players our wholehearted support as the Becchetti era looks likely to be drawing towards it's close.
I hope your right jabster and admire your optimism but nothing will change very much until Becchetti has gone. |
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Post by Ramrod on Dec 1, 2016 12:24:34 GMT
He [Edwards] has good organisational skills and a great attention to detail. Furthermore, he'll scout the opposition and their strengths/weaknesses - this is clearly something not done at any point this season under Hessenthaler or Cavasin which has resulted in the inexcusable amount of home defeats by poor teams coming to Leyton and 'picking us off' so easily. Actually I'm pretty sure that we have been scouting the opposition all season - although admittedly you'd never have thought so judging by the results. |
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Post by redintheface on Dec 1, 2016 16:48:58 GMT
He [Edwards] has good organisational skills and a great attention to detail. Furthermore, he'll scout the opposition and their strengths/weaknesses - this is clearly something not done at any point this season under Hessenthaler or Cavasin which has resulted in the inexcusable amount of home defeats by poor teams coming to Leyton and 'picking us off' so easily. Actually I'm pretty sure that we have been scouting the opposition all season - although admittedly you'd never have thought so judging by the results. I'm afraid that the rumour that scouting opposition teams was "clearly something not done at any point this season under Hessenthaler or Cavasin" is just that - a rumour! It gains some credence I admit because of the shocking run of results but mainly because it fits into the general conspiracy theories about Becchetti and his incompetent crew. Last week we had the club issuing information that Erichot was injured, followed by Orient Outlook podcast presenters and others saying they didn't believe it. When Erichot was reported as injured a few weeks previously, some people responded he was the latest in the line of players to be "frozen out". Similarly the so called "mystery " of Charlie Grainger and his non selection and subsequent loan. This again was apparently baffling to the podcast presenters last week who seemed to think Charlie Grainger was a more logical choice as back up because he is older than Sargeant! Could it possibly be that successive managers including Edwards all think Sargeant is a better prospect or has more to offer? The latest controversy we have follows Andy Edwards responding to a question by stating he and not Becchetti picks the team - something I recall he also mentioned at the time of the Barnet game- and some people (especially to be fair on the "other board") imply that Edwards is not telling the truth. I've said several times before that in my view Becchetti is doubtless the root cause of our problems but at least have a go at him for things we know he has done wrong (there is no shortage) . Finally, when one of the biggest and most justified causes for supporters complaints has been the lack of communication from the club, I think it's reasonable to take the statements that the club officials issue at face value until evidence to the contrary emerges rather than simply rubbishing them because they don't happen to fit in with a particular viewpoint! Rant over👍 |
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Post by Ramrod on Dec 1, 2016 18:49:22 GMT
Nice rant, Red. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears and you'll know you wasted 10 minutes of your life writing it, but you'll have got it out of your system.
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Post by redintheface on Dec 1, 2016 18:59:06 GMT
Nice rant, Red. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears and you'll know you wasted 10 minutes of your life writing it, but you'll have got it out of your system. As Ken Dodd used to say "By Jove, I needed that"!  |
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Post by mayland0s on Dec 1, 2016 21:17:57 GMT
Actually I'm pretty sure that we have been scouting the opposition all season - although admittedly you'd never have thought so judging by the results. I'm afraid that the rumour that scouting opposition teams was "clearly something not done at any point this season under Hessenthaler or Cavasin" is just that - a rumour! It gains some credence I admit because of the shocking run of results but mainly because it fits into the general conspiracy theories about Becchetti and his incompetent crew. Last week we had the club issuing information that Erichot was injured, followed by Orient Outlook podcast presenters and others saying they didn't believe it. When Erichot was reported as injured a few weeks previously, some people responded he was the latest in the line of players to be "frozen out". Similarly the so called "mystery " of Charlie Grainger and his non selection and subsequent loan. This again was apparently baffling to the podcast presenters last week who seemed to think Charlie Grainger was a more logical choice as back up because he is older than Sargeant! Could it possibly be that successive managers including Edwards all think Sargeant is a better prospect or has more to offer? The latest controversy we have follows Andy Edwards responding to a question by stating he and not Becchetti picks the team - something I recall he also mentioned at the time of the Barnet game- and some people (especially to be fair on the "other board") imply that Edwards is not telling the truth. I've said several times before that in my view Becchetti is doubtless the root cause of our problems but at least have a go at him for things we know he has done wrong (there is no shortage) . Finally, when one of the biggest and most justified causes for supporters complaints has been the lack of communication from the club, I think it's reasonable to take the statements that the club officials issue at face value until evidence to the contrary emerges rather than simply rubbishing them because they don't happen to fit in with a particular viewpoint! Rant over👍 Sort of agree with you redintheface but when have you heard a manager that has left the club,or been sacked , talk to the press about all thats happening here at Brizzy Rd.There is probably a clause in there contract that prevents them telling the truth to the public. |
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Post by redintheface on Dec 2, 2016 8:26:23 GMT
Maylands- my issue iwas more about those who complain about lack of communication then when the club does communicate dismiss it as propaganda or untrue. In respect of sacked managers and their non comments I can accept that there may be confidentiality clauses in contracts but I doubt anyone would sign a contract that prohibits them from "telling the truth", so if and until someone chooses to stick their head above the parapet then we'll never know the full story! It just strikes me as odd that some people are quite prepared to accept without question all sorts of rumours that fit in to their perspective of unrest and disharmony at the club - yet if contrary views are expressed by players or club officials they are dismissed out of hand.
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