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Post by eca on Mar 20, 2024 1:29:50 GMT
Bias is subjective depends on which person one is sought for their view
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Post by dohnut on Mar 20, 2024 3:26:56 GMT
Bias is subjective depends on which person one is sought for their view With sufficient research subjectivity can move towards objectivity. Some of the positives surrounding the value of the Royal Family are of course fact, things that enhance the lives of people. Some of the cost/benefits are subject to speculation such as the cost of their existence and the financial benefits they bring and some intangibles like the value of independent head of state and the trade value of that and other things like the export value of the Royal Warrant. Once all of this has been researched and understood as far as it can be only then in my opinion can a view be formed that goes beyond the anti-Royal or pro-Royal debate where many views are based on bias. It remains to be seen whether Charles can maintain the staggering benefits Elizabeth was able to achieve, without doubt one of the world’s most respected women, but thus far he is doing better than I expected. Digging into their real value and real cost as far as is possible is interesting, revealing and one that demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt they are a net positive to the U.K. |
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Post by watfordo on Mar 20, 2024 6:21:12 GMT
Bias is subjective depends on which person one is sought for their view With sufficient research subjectivity can move towards objectivity. Some of the positives surrounding the value of the Royal Family are of course fact, things that enhance the lives of people. Some of the cost/benefits are subject to speculation such as the cost of their existence and the financial benefits they bring and some intangibles like the value of independent head of state and the trade value of that and other things like the export value of the Royal Warrant. Once all of this has been researched and understood as far as it can be only then in my opinion can a view be formed that goes beyond the anti-Royal or pro-Royal debate where many views are based on bias. It remains to be seen whether Charles can maintain the staggering benefits Elizabeth was able to achieve, without doubt one of the world’s most respected women, but thus far he is doing better than I expected. Digging into their real value and real cost as far as is possible is interesting, revealing and one that demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt they are a net positive to the U.K. So, basically, what you are saying is that if someone does their research then they have to agree with you and, if they do not agree with you, its because they havent done their research. 😀 Im not a Royalist by any stretch. Its fairytale nonsense to talk about princes and castles etc. That said, I admire them individually for their stoicism. A gilded cage is a cage nonetheless but, with social media, it feels, at times more like a Victorian freak show. If we replace them, which eventually we will, then I have yet to see a system that works better. We have created that very British thing - a compromise that works for us. |
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Post by fortissimo on Mar 20, 2024 7:27:06 GMT
There is a double of her, The Pricess of Wales has been killed in a car crash.
If you play the National Anthem backwards you'll hear William say "I buried Kate"
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Post by eca on Mar 20, 2024 7:31:40 GMT
There is a double of her, The Pricess of Wales has been killed in a car crash. If you play the National Anthem backwards you'll hear William say "I buried Kate" I thought it would say “ Donut is the brightest and should be the next queen “ |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 20, 2024 10:08:37 GMT
With sufficient research subjectivity can move towards objectivity. Some of the positives surrounding the value of the Royal Family are of course fact, things that enhance the lives of people. Some of the cost/benefits are subject to speculation such as the cost of their existence and the financial benefits they bring and some intangibles like the value of independent head of state and the trade value of that and other things like the export value of the Royal Warrant. Once all of this has been researched and understood as far as it can be only then in my opinion can a view be formed that goes beyond the anti-Royal or pro-Royal debate where many views are based on bias. It remains to be seen whether Charles can maintain the staggering benefits Elizabeth was able to achieve, without doubt one of the world’s most respected women, but thus far he is doing better than I expected. Digging into their real value and real cost as far as is possible is interesting, revealing and one that demonstrates beyond reasonable doubt they are a net positive to the U.K. So, basically, what you are saying is that if someone does their research then they have to agree with you and, if they do not agree with you, its because they havent done their research. 😀 Im not a Royalist by any stretch. It’s fairytale nonsense to talk about princes and castles etc. That said, I admire them individually for their stoicism. A gilded cage is a cage nonetheless but, with social media, it feels, at times more like a Victorian freak show. If we replace them, which eventually we will, then I have yet to see a system that works better. We have created that very British thing - a compromise that works for us. Not what I’m saying at all. Do some basic research, make up your own mind. If that’s different to mine then I have absolutely no problem with it. Why would I. In fact I prefer that so debate happens and we all learn something. As it goes I’m no Royalist but on balance they are a net positive for the U.K. in my opinion and until we have a better system, usually a president or some such thing as head of state, they will do. According to Google 43 countries still have Royal families. So rather than just saying they should go, the odd suggestion on how their many state functions and other duties would be managed, would be nice. I suspect the Royal family will still be around for many years to come. Thats where I have and always have had a problem. People shouting about problems without suggesting an alternative. Complaining is easy, solutions often less so. I definitely don’t like the idea of the U.K. having a prime minister appointed by a president. A politically neutral head of state works for me. |
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Post by Thor on Mar 20, 2024 10:40:11 GMT
I see a BBC journalist has come out and said its not her and was made to take down her comments. The hole is getting deeper.
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Post by watfordo on Mar 20, 2024 10:50:02 GMT
So, basically, what you are saying is that if someone does their research then they have to agree with you and, if they do not agree with you, its because they havent done their research. 😀 Im not a Royalist by any stretch. It’s fairytale nonsense to talk about princes and castles etc. That said, I admire them individually for their stoicism. A gilded cage is a cage nonetheless but, with social media, it feels, at times more like a Victorian freak show. If we replace them, which eventually we will, then I have yet to see a system that works better. We have created that very British thing - a compromise that works for us. Not what I’m saying at all. Do some basic research, make up your own mind. If that’s different to mine then I have absolutely no problem with it. Why would I. In fact I prefer that so debate happens and we all learn something. As it goes I’m no Royalist but on balance they are a net positive for the U.K. in my opinion and until we have a better system, usually a president or some such thing as head of state, they will do. According to Google 43 countries still have Royal families. So rather than just saying they should go, the odd suggestion on how their many state functions and other duties would be managed, would be nice. I suspect the Royal family will still be around for many years to come. Thats where I have and always have had a problem. People shouting about problems without suggesting an alternative. Complaining is easy, solutions often less so. I definitely don’t like the idea of the U.K. having a prime minister appointed by a president. A politically neutral head of state works for me. Im glad youve changed your mind and now agree with me. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 20, 2024 15:06:03 GMT
Not what I’m saying at all. Do some basic research, make up your own mind. If that’s different to mine then I have absolutely no problem with it. Why would I. In fact I prefer that so debate happens and we all learn something. As it goes I’m no Royalist but on balance they are a net positive for the U.K. in my opinion and until we have a better system, usually a president or some such thing as head of state, they will do. According to Google 43 countries still have Royal families. So rather than just saying they should go, the odd suggestion on how their many state functions and other duties would be managed, would be nice. I suspect the Royal family will still be around for many years to come. Thats where I have and always have had a problem. People shouting about problems without suggesting an alternative. Complaining is easy, solutions often less so. I definitely don’t like the idea of the U.K. having a prime minister appointed by a president. A politically neutral head of state works for me. Im glad youve changed your mind and now agree with me. My opinions remain unchanged. I have to accept my explanations are just not clear enough. “The quality of your communication is the response you get”. I guess my communication is not what it should be rather than your levels of comprehension. But no, I’ve not changed my mind. If you feel I have I’d be very interested for you to expand. But to be clear, I have not and you are just trying to be naughty! Have a good day. PS my invite about details of my change of mind still exists. Holding my breath. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by watfordo on Mar 20, 2024 17:16:23 GMT
Im glad youve changed your mind and now agree with me. My opinions remain unchanged. I have to accept my explanations are just not clear enough. “The quality of your communication is the response you get”. I guess my communication is not what it should be rather than your levels of comprehension. But no, I’ve not changed my mind. If you feel I have I’d be very interested for you to expand. But to be clear, I have not and you are just trying to be naughty! Have a good day. PS my invite about details of my change of mind still exists. Holding my breath. 😂😂😂 I wouldnt if I were you. |
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Post by eca on Mar 20, 2024 17:32:21 GMT
Donut
Again turns a thread into about himself his views, criticise others views, questions their reasons for their views and uses extreme number of words of repetition.
Just let us all be aware of the spectrum of his personality and character.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 20, 2024 18:02:25 GMT
Donut Again turns a thread into about himself his views criticise others views, questions their reasons for their views and uses extreme number of words of repetition. Just let us all be aware of the spectrum of his personality and character. I’ve been accused of changing my mind. Not wrong of me too seek an explanation. Asking for a friend. As for criticism others views, I’ll say this again. I don’t have, never have had nor will I ever have a problem with people whose views differ from mine. I welcome it. I thrive on sensible discussion. Willing to stand my ground whilst at the same time open to the opinions of others and I give people the courtesy of thinking about what they say. Often research people’s comments and have absolutely no problems with adjusting my thoughts accordingly. What I dislike now and always will do are people who complain about this or that without offering substance to back it up or suggesting alternatives. which Was your position that started this whole load of nonsense. |
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Post by watfordo on Mar 20, 2024 18:32:06 GMT
Donut Again turns a thread into about himself his views criticise others views, questions their reasons for their views and uses extreme number of words of repetition. Just let us all be aware of the spectrum of his personality and character. I’ve been accused of changing my mind. Not wrong of me too seek an explanation. Asking for a friend. As for criticism others views, I’ll say this again. I don’t have, never have had nor will I ever have a problem with people whose views differ from mine. I welcome it. I thrive on sensible discussion. Willing to stand my ground whilst at the same time open to the opinions of others and I give people the courtesy of thinking about what they say. Often research people’s comments and have absolutely no problems with adjusting my thoughts accordingly. What I dislike now and always will do are people who complain about this or that without offering substance to back it up or suggesting alternatives. which Was your position that started this whole load of nonsense. It wasn't an accusation it was an observation. Its ok to be wrong and / or change your mind. |
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Post by eca on Mar 20, 2024 18:35:20 GMT
Donut
Seriously I really think you are obsessed with your personality and how you conduct yourself on here including others interpretation's of you.
I am not a clinical phycologist but if one was reading your posts when you put a great deal of effort in conveying your views, they may classify you with a medical condition - maybe you should seek some assistance to minimise your desire to dominate others in a patronising way.
- it may be labelled a specific condition called narcissism.
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Post by Thor on Mar 20, 2024 18:40:22 GMT
Did you know that the first princess of Wales was Joan of Kent, wife of the Black Prince and mother of Richard the 2nd.
Back in the game!
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Post by watfordo on Mar 20, 2024 18:41:32 GMT
Did you know that the first princess of Wales was Joan of Kent, wife of the Black Prince and mother of Richard the 2nd. Back in the game! Nope. I didnt know that |
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Post by estaing on Mar 20, 2024 19:03:23 GMT
Not sure if it was first but The Princess of Wales in Lea Bridge Road has been about for a long time.
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Post by billk53 on Mar 20, 2024 19:08:19 GMT
Was that the Young's pub beside the river just before you get to Chatsworth Road?
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Post by estaing on Mar 20, 2024 19:15:17 GMT
Was that the Young's pub beside the river just before you get to Chatsworth Road? That’s it, good food and beer. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 20, 2024 19:29:04 GMT
Donut Seriously I really think you are obsessed with your personality and how you conduct yourself on here including others interpretation's of you. I am not a clinical phycologist but if one was reading your posts when you put a great deal of effort in conveying your views, they may classify you with a medical condition - maybe you should seek some assistance to minimise your desire to dominate others in a patronising way. - it may be labelled a specific condition called narcissism. I may or may not irritate you but I won’t engage in rude personal comments such as that, often the last defence of the defeated. If you have the lack of ability or desire to engage in debate, fine, but such comments and not for the first time say more about you than you think. Conveying views is called debate. And perhaps I do this with energy. Try it. Surprise yourself. |
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