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Post by watfordo on Mar 20, 2024 19:36:51 GMT
Donut Seriously I really think you are obsessed with your personality and how you conduct yourself on here including others interpretation's of you. I am not a clinical phycologist but if one was reading your posts when you put a great deal of effort in conveying your views, they may classify you with a medical condition - maybe you should seek some assistance to minimise your desire to dominate others in a patronising way. - it may be labelled a specific condition called narcissism. I may or may not irritate you but I won’t engage in rude personal comments such as that, often the last defence of the defeated. If you have the lack of ability or desire to engage in debate, fine, but such comments and not for the first time say more about you than you think. Conveying views is called debate. And perhaps I do this with energy. Try it. Surprise yourself. Leave it out. You may not use four letter words but your replies, longwinded as they are, often have more than a whiff of f@£k you about them. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 21, 2024 4:17:55 GMT
I may or may not irritate you but I won’t engage in rude personal comments such as that, often the last defence of the defeated. If you have the lack of ability or desire to engage in debate, fine, but such comments and not for the first time say more about you than you think. Conveying views is called debate. And perhaps I do this with energy. Try it. Surprise yourself. Leave it out. You may not use four letter words but your replies, longwinded as they are, often have more than a whiff of f@£k you about them. Then give me a long winded answer to where I changed my mind. |
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Post by billk53 on Mar 22, 2024 18:30:42 GMT
To return to the original subject. I've just heard the news - all those conspiracy theorists should hang their heads in shame
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Post by mysmellypants on Mar 22, 2024 18:37:18 GMT
To return to the original subject. I've just heard the news - all those conspiracy theorists should hang their heads in shame Damn right they should. Sad little men who should be ashamed of themselves. |
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Post by kbola on Mar 22, 2024 18:56:18 GMT
To return to the original subject. I've just heard the news - all those conspiracy theorists should hang their heads in shame On the contrary, surely they have been proven right with the disinformation and fake photos/videos |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 22, 2024 19:56:35 GMT
To return to the original subject. I've just heard the news - all those conspiracy theorists should hang their heads in shame On the contrary, surely they have been proven right with the disinformation and fake photos/videos There has been no disinformation only privacy. Something she is entitled. As for the photograph, she did what thousands, probably tens of thousands do. Use software to produce a better photograph. I do it all the time. A family photo for Mother’s Day and not for personal financial gain but to produce the best image she could. Why photoshop exists. As for her statement. Well done her. Quite correctly putting her family first then putting out a video. Bilk53 is spot on. |
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Post by watfordo on Mar 22, 2024 20:45:27 GMT
On the contrary, surely they have been proven right with the disinformation and fake photos/videos There has been no disinformation only privacy. Something she is entitled. As for the photograph, she did what thousands, probably tens of thousands do. Use software to produce a better photograph. I do it all the time. A family photo for Mother’s Day and not for personal financial gain but to produce the best image she could. Why photoshop exists. As for her statement. Well done her. Quite correctly putting her family first then putting out a video. Bilk53 is spot on. Shes future Queen. Privacy has its place but the idea that you can hide this sort if thing in this media age is absolutely ‘kin mental. Saying she’s ill and then refusing to say what it is, in her role, was never ever ever going to work. Refusing to say what the cancer actually is just giving the the media another target and they will find out. She’s lovely. This is sad. They need better advice. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 22, 2024 21:12:50 GMT
There has been no disinformation only privacy. Something she is entitled. As for the photograph, she did what thousands, probably tens of thousands do. Use software to produce a better photograph. I do it all the time. A family photo for Mother’s Day and not for personal financial gain but to produce the best image she could. Why photoshop exists. As for her statement. Well done her. Quite correctly putting her family first then putting out a video. Bilk53 is spot on. Shes future Queen. Privacy has its place but the idea that you can hide this sort if thing in this media age is absolutely ‘kin mental. Saying she’s ill and then refusing to say what it is, in her role, was never ever ever going to work. Refusing to say what the cancer actually is just giving the the media another target and they will find out. She’s lovely. This is sad. They need better advice. Don’t think she had any intention of hiding stuff. Not too sure she knew it was cancer from the start. Having experienced cancer I know only too well that a process has to be followed and tests undertaken before confirmation one way or the other can be stated as a definite. Waiting for results is something I would not wish on anyone. Speculating in private is hell and personally something that is impossible to avoid. I kept some stuff from my grandchildren, why upset them if you don’t have to. I can totally understand her position with a very young family. We don’t know all the details but I for one am prepared to cut her a load of slack. |
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Post by Thor on Mar 22, 2024 23:01:19 GMT
It's good she has spoken out as it ends all speculation surrounding her. She also gives people suffering the same terrible illness confidence to talk about it, to not bottle it up and bring it out in the open which may actually help them deal with the condition rather than hide it away.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 23, 2024 0:01:24 GMT
It's good she has spoken out as it ends all speculation surrounding her. She also gives people suffering the same terrible illness confidence to talk about it, to not bottle it up and bring it out in the open which may actually help them deal with the condition rather than hide it away. Fine line between bottling things up and not wanting to unnecessarily worry family and friends. Why cause others to worry when you don’t really know the situation yourself. Seeing family worried is not a burden you want to add to the one already there. Such times can be very lonely and sharing with others not always the best action. In my case I felt sharing the process beyond what was unavoidable was selfish. Other than Mrs dOh who supported me every step of the way. i didn’t really talk to my daughter and son until diagnoses was confirmed and my choices clear. These I discussed with them. Even then I kept my grandchildren in the dark and still do to this day. Despite my odds being excellent someone has to be in the unlucky percentage. In my darkest moments that’s where my mind went. Kate is first and foremost a daughter, wife and mother. I’ve no doubt feeling the same emotions as others going through the process. It is her right to handle it as she feels best for her family and nobody else. We as the general public have no right to be kept up to date. Her public announcement was both brave and thoughtful. |
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Post by watfordo on Mar 23, 2024 3:04:57 GMT
It's good she has spoken out as it ends all speculation surrounding her. She also gives people suffering the same terrible illness confidence to talk about it, to not bottle it up and bring it out in the open which may actually help them deal with the condition rather than hide it away. Fine line between bottling things up and not wanting to unnecessarily worry family and friends. Why cause others to worry when you don’t really know the situation yourself. Seeing family worried is not a burden you want to add to the one already there. Such times can be very lonely and sharing with others not always the best action. In my case I felt sharing the process beyond what was unavoidable was selfish. Other than Mrs dOh who supported me every step of the way. i didn’t really talk to my daughter and son until diagnoses was confirmed and my choices clear. These I discussed with them. Even then I kept my grandchildren in the dark and still do to this day. Despite my odds being excellent someone has to be in the unlucky percentage. In my darkest moments that’s where my mind went. Kate is first and foremost a daughter, wife and mother. I’ve no doubt feeling the same emotions as others going through the process. It is her right to handle it as she feels best for her family and nobody else. We as the general public have no right to be kept up to date. Her public announcement was both brave and thoughtful. Her future constitutional position means that we absolutely do have the right to know, as tough as that is. Her public announcement was perfectly done, especially when it could have simply been a Royal statement via the press. I also think they had little choice given the position they find themselves in by refusing to give information and then with the killed photo. Its a crappy deal. We all know someone that has suffered with cancer and to have to deal with it publicly must make it even more difficult and frightening. Whilst not an exact comparison, there are plenty of famous people in politics, film, music etc that have to do this whenever they are ill and it comes with the job, unfortunately. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Mar 23, 2024 10:40:21 GMT
Shame on all those who have been doing online trolling of the Princess of Wales with all these nasty minded conspiracy theories and distasteful pictures and cartoons mocking her.
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Post by dohnut on Mar 23, 2024 12:56:47 GMT
Fine line between bottling things up and not wanting to unnecessarily worry family and friends. Why cause others to worry when you don’t really know the situation yourself. Seeing family worried is not a burden you want to add to the one already there. Such times can be very lonely and sharing with others not always the best action. In my case I felt sharing the process beyond what was unavoidable was selfish. Other than Mrs dOh who supported me every step of the way. i didn’t really talk to my daughter and son until diagnoses was confirmed and my choices clear. These I discussed with them. Even then I kept my grandchildren in the dark and still do to this day. Despite my odds being excellent someone has to be in the unlucky percentage. In my darkest moments that’s where my mind went. Kate is first and foremost a daughter, wife and mother. I’ve no doubt feeling the same emotions as others going through the process. It is her right to handle it as she feels best for her family and nobody else. We as the general public have no right to be kept up to date. Her public announcement was both brave and thoughtful. Her future constitutional position means that we absolutely do have the right to know, as tough as that is. Her public announcement was perfectly done, especially when it could have simply been a Royal statement via the press. I also think they had little choice given the position they find themselves in by refusing to give information and then with the killed photo. Its a crappy deal. We all know someone that has suffered with cancer and to have to deal with it publicly must make it even more difficult and frightening. Whilst not an exact comparison, there are plenty of famous people in politics, film, music etc that have to do this whenever they are ill and it comes with the job, unfortunately. I agree as a future queen we have a right to know and as I recall a statement was made some time ago about her pending operation and period of convalescence. That to my mind is sufficient. That she had a condition requiring surgery has been in the public domain for some time, with Easter and beyond the date when she may resume public duties. As I understand it that statement still holds good. I see no reason why she needed to offer up details. But she chose to in an elegant way even if only to stop all the rubbish doing the rounds. |
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Post by watfordo on Mar 23, 2024 13:14:10 GMT
Her future constitutional position means that we absolutely do have the right to know, as tough as that is. Her public announcement was perfectly done, especially when it could have simply been a Royal statement via the press. I also think they had little choice given the position they find themselves in by refusing to give information and then with the killed photo. Its a crappy deal. We all know someone that has suffered with cancer and to have to deal with it publicly must make it even more difficult and frightening. Whilst not an exact comparison, there are plenty of famous people in politics, film, music etc that have to do this whenever they are ill and it comes with the job, unfortunately. I agree as a future queen we have a right to know and as I recall a statement was made some time ago about her pending operation and period of convalescence. That to my mind is sufficient. That she had a condition requiring surgery has been in the public domain for some time, with Easter and beyond the date when she may resume public duties. As I understand it that statement still holds good. I see no reason why she needed to offer up details. But she chose to in an elegant way even if only to stop all the rubbish doing the rounds. In your mind sufficient but that's naive thinking in 2024. It was always going to lead to speculation. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 23, 2024 15:57:43 GMT
I agree as a future queen we have a right to know and as I recall a statement was made some time ago about her pending operation and period of convalescence. That to my mind is sufficient. That she had a condition requiring surgery has been in the public domain for some time, with Easter and beyond the date when she may resume public duties. As I understand it that statement still holds good. I see no reason why she needed to offer up details. But she chose to in an elegant way even if only to stop all the rubbish doing the rounds. In your mind sufficient but that's naive thinking in 2024. It was always going to lead to speculation. Of course it will lead to speculation but that and conspiracy theories are a way of life and should not influence what you believe is the right thing to do for your family. Rule by social media is not right. I’ve even seen some speculation despite her public statement. Going to happen no matter what The rubbish will never stop. So best not be ruled by it if at all possible. Take note if you want then do what you feel is right. It’s naive to think you can keep everyone happy. Or stop this stuff. been giving this subject and the views of others some thought. Can see both sides of the debate. My conclusion being it’s down to views on personal privacy. Mine being simply that no matter how rich and famous you are and whatever your duties to a wider public, your right to privacy is paramount. Some matters are for people to choose to share irrespective of what people think they are entitled to. A privilege shared by princes and paupers. Freedom. And as such thoughts are free then people are free also to disagree. Just seen some of the disgusting posts regarding her telling all. Fake, AI, and so on. Believe her being honest and open will stop this crap! Think again it’s just spawned a whole new speculation army. Just Grist to their mill! |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 24, 2024 13:06:18 GMT
I agree as a future queen we have a right to know and as I recall a statement was made some time ago about her pending operation and period of convalescence. That to my mind is sufficient. That she had a condition requiring surgery has been in the public domain for some time, with Easter and beyond the date when she may resume public duties. As I understand it that statement still holds good. I see no reason why she needed to offer up details. But she chose to in an elegant way even if only to stop all the rubbish doing the rounds. In your mind sufficient but that's naive thinking in 2024. It was always going to lead to speculation. Sadly today I just seen a raft of posts that have been generated as a direct consequence of Kate and her video. And some not-so-very nice ones at that. What is naive is believing that her making this public announcement would stop the speculation. Far from it. It’s just started a whole new episode. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t. Reality. The speculation continues. No surprise to me. |
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Post by watfordo on Mar 24, 2024 14:18:54 GMT
In your mind sufficient but that's naive thinking in 2024. It was always going to lead to speculation. Sadly today I just seen a raft of posts that have been generated as a direct consequence of Kate and her video. And some not-so-very nice ones at that. What is naive is believing that her making this public announcement would stop the speculation. Far from it. It’s just started a whole new episode. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t. Reality. The speculation continues. No surprise to me. I said exactly this would happen. The way it has been handled has led to speculation. They haven't said what the cancer is so people will guess, whether thats between friends, at a dinner party or on social media. Once its on social media the pond life will get hold of it. By not saying what the cancer is they are creating another thing for people to speculate - and they will and its perfectly natural. How they speculate is the difference. Contrast this with Charles’s cancer announcement. The difference is stark. Of course there are differences, case to case, but because they have said what it is people in general havent had to guess. It must be awful for her to have to play this out in public but she needs a new pr team. |
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Post by dohnut on Mar 24, 2024 14:35:25 GMT
Sadly today I just seen a raft of posts that have been generated as a direct consequence of Kate and her video. And some not-so-very nice ones at that. What is naive is believing that her making this public announcement would stop the speculation. Far from it. It’s just started a whole new episode. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t. Reality. The speculation continues. No surprise to me. I said exactly this would happen. The way it has been handled has led to speculation. They haven't said what the cancer is so people will guess, whether thats between friends, at a dinner party or on social media. Once its on social media the pond life will get hold of it. By not saying what the cancer is they are creating another thing for people to speculate - and they will and its perfectly natural. How they speculate is the difference. Contrast this with Charles’s cancer announcement. The difference is stark. Of course there are differences, case to case, but because they have said what it is people in general havent had to guess. It must be awful for her to have to play this out in public but she needs a new pr team. Can understand that. And fully understand your views and why. current speculation is about the authenticity of the video. People suggesting the flowers in the background are out of season, the cloths she is wearing she wore some time before, and so on. Not to mention the honesty of what she said. She can’t win. Goes shopping and it’s a body double stuff. Not too sure Charles creates that much interest these day though Harry is doing his best to change that. But my main thoughts surround peoples rights to privacy irrespective of who they are. Whatever she does, speculation will happen. |
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Post by MungO on Mar 25, 2024 17:38:22 GMT
I've been alerted to this post (albeit a few days back and I haven't logged on), I don't have the time to go through and see what's happened.
So even if it isn't for the sake of each other, for my sake, just let it pass, take a breather and move on.
Consider the thread locked.
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