Premier League clubs to vote on scrapping VAR

I think the issue is that its use has extended beyond its initial remit, that being used where there is reasonable evidence a mistake is considered to have been made. It’s become a routine part of decision making. Of course what could happen that referees will make all decisions and pundits will use technology to analyse every decision highlighting where a referee may have got it wrong following a split second decision.

Then we can get back to managers moaning about decisions after the game and slagging off officials having removed one aspect that helps them reduce mistakes.

I personally like the umpires decision on LBW in cricket. Where technology shows doubt, the umpires original call stands.  People making decisions unless proven conclusively wrong. Technology righting obvious errors of judgement.

That is the problem.  The Wolves disallowed goal against West Ham a case in point.  Needs to be referees decision unless technology clearly proves error. Endless reruns of the incident to decide should not happen.  If an error is not clear, quickly, then the referees decision stands.  Of course managers will still moan, but it’s what they do.

get rid

Just looked up wolves issues with VAR. One against Liverpool a wolves goal ruled offside by the referee. Var camera angles could not prove the referee wrong so the wolves goal was disallowed. However wolves had a tactical camera that showed a better angle this suggested the goal was valid. But he had come from an offside position so even that camera angle was not valid.  The complaint being not enough VAR evidence to allow the goal. So the referee’s decision was it. In effect VAR Made no difference, yet was at fault

Against West Ham their manager accepts the decision to rule out the goal “maybe right according to the letter of the law” and perhaps that needs looking into. He also doesn’t think his player was impeding the keeper, he clearly was according to Sky pundits. Despite being in an offside position right in front of the keeper. And the keeper wouldn’t have saved it anyway.. totally irrelevant whether the keeper would or would not have made a save. So he accepts according to the laws the right decision may have been made. VAR got it right. It’s not for referees to decide what laws are right and those that are not, they apply the laws. As they see them impartially.

That’s a real issue. Managers may take a pragmatic even passionate approach to situations, officials apply the laws.. in my opinion any referee who ignores an offside because the keeper wouldn’t have made the save anyway is not fit to referee. That is not his call.

Wolves feel hard done by, yet in both cases VAR either didn’t show enough to correct the referee or was right.

Umpires call helps,with football an arm or part of the body can be judged offside.Bring in refs or linos call on offside
 perhaps.

Why not give a team captain the right to challenge a decision, a bit like they do in cricket.
If the challenge is right they retain it, if wrong they lose it and can’t challenge again.
Might mean the game flows more, as challenges likely to be made for only obvious errors.
VAR there in the background, but doesn’t intervene unless a team captain calls for it.

Only a personal view bb but I would imagine that such a scenario would have unintended consequences. Do you limit the challenge to one or allow multiple challenges as happens in tennis, cricket and the in NFL ? I would suspect coaches would want to be the one launching the challenge rather than team captains and at what point in an individual move is the challenge launched? Also a coach/ captain’s view of what is “obvious” may very well be rather different to a referee ( who has , presumably already adjudicated in his own mind about whether or not something is obvious). 
Now that the VAR genie is out of the bottle I suspect there will never be a return to “ traditional” refereeing in the Premier League as there are too many vested interests in the FA/ PGMOL cabal that runs it. I can only hope that the EFL remains VAR free and that fans recognise that - for all their faults- referees running the game in real time, makes for a better flow and consequently spectacle, for the onlooker.👍

Football is a game of endless interruptions.  Read somewhere in the EFL (no VAR) the ball is actually in play for 58 minutes. The amount of time wasted is immense when you look closely.  Statistically 32 minutes or 30%.  Now slower with substitutions, time added of course, faux injuries and what we used to call time wasting now glossed up as game management.  VAR will hardly make it worse.

i like the concept of teams being able to appeal.  Works in cricket and tennis.  Limited to say 2 a match.  The referee decides without VAR unless a decision is challenged.  2 failed challenges and that it. The onus shifts from the referee to the captain/manager. Be interesting to see how many times they are right.

Interestingly just out VAR is used in 61 countries and growing.  It’s just us, we love to moan. If we scrap it wait for the explosion that will happen when a referee makes a mistake or an assistant misses and obvious offside.  Gonna happen!  Moan if we have it, moan if we don’t.  Thats the problem 

At our level maybe, well until Sky next season.  But at the upper levels for many years incidents get dissected endlessly by pundits. Whereas before it was vetting the referee it’s now vetting VAR.  Technology has advanced so much.  Even the Orient stream show replays of incidents whilst the game is in progress.  It’s what pundits do. Doubt it will ever change now, VAR or no VAR.