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Post by billericayo on Jun 15, 2024 20:30:38 GMT
Scotland? what a disaster, could end up being the worst team in the tournament. do love it when they get their come-u-pence. Why don't they ask Big Sam he could get a tune out of them.
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Post by mysmellypants on Jun 16, 2024 6:11:57 GMT
I watched the Hungary v Switzerland game, all I can say is Scotland are in deep trouble.
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Post by Fisch on Jun 16, 2024 6:33:32 GMT
Just a thought.... Scotland doesn't have an extensive league but neither do several other European countries. The difference is that players in small leagues like those in Croatia, Slovenia, Cyprus et al have free access to the entire football structure of the EU, Scots have only England where they can forge a well paid career. Attractive opportunities for young Scots are very thin on the ground in what is already a cut-throat business. I guess it's not so surprising that Scottish talent is not developed to the same degree as is the case in the EU.
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Post by billericayo on Jun 16, 2024 6:56:09 GMT
Just a thought.... Scotland doesn't have an extensive league but neither do several other European countries. The difference is that players in small leagues like those in Croatia, Slovenia, Cyprus et al have free access to the entire football structure of the EU, Scots have only England where they can forge a well paid career. Attractive opportunities for young Scots are very thin on the ground in what is already a cut-throat business. I guess it's not so surprising that Scottish talent is not developed to the same degree as is the case in the EU. So how come the've been useless for the last thirty years even when we were part of the EU |
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Post by Thor on Jun 16, 2024 6:57:13 GMT
I watched the game and I felt it was down to two things.
Tactics were all wrong
Players froze and or were scared of the occasion
I thought the box formation in midfield was all wrong and just gave Germany the opportunity to move the ball from left to right or vice versa and exploit the space the Scots left them out wide which they attacked with purpose.
The players seemed scared to me. These are international footballers who played as if they were not sure they belonged there. Or due to it being the opening game let the occasion get to then which put fear into their natural way of playing.
Put the two together and it was a very long night for the team.
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Post by Fisch on Jun 16, 2024 8:34:32 GMT
....So how come the've been useless for the last thirty years even when we were part of the EU I think there's more to it than just that. Most Euro teams play a slow-slow-quick-slow game with much less reliance on muscle, aggression and sheer lung power, attributes found more in northern climes. The cost of scouting in Scotland is huge and most EU don't bother and leave it the EPL and EFL moneybags clubs. One way or another, players in Scotland have little chance to show their pure football skills and also have high expectations of their incomes. Apart from The Glasgow and Edinburgh clubs plus Aberdeen, the rest are of the SPL are at EFL1 level (I'm being generous there). Add in the Brexit isolation and you end up with the worst combination of factors to develop talent. |
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Post by alfresco on Jun 16, 2024 9:23:34 GMT
When Celtic or Rangers play in the Champions League ( i still refer to it as the European Cup), they inevitably get knocked out, in the first round group stages.
Scotland havent got players with real quality, and it was also inevitable, what would happen to the national team in this tournament.
There's not even that many Scots playing top class Premier League football any more
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Post by redintheface on Jun 16, 2024 9:28:31 GMT
When Celtic or Rangers play in the Champions League ( i still refer to it as the European Cup), they inevitably get knocked out, in the first round group stages. Scotland havent got players with real quality, and it was also inevitable, what would happen to the national team in this tournament. There's not even that many Scots playing top class Premier League football any more Nailed it imho.👍 |
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Post by redintheface on Jun 16, 2024 9:34:36 GMT
Just a thought.... Scotland doesn't have an extensive league but neither do several other European countries. The difference is that players in small leagues like those in Croatia, Slovenia, Cyprus et al have free access to the entire football structure of the EU, Scots have only England where they can forge a well paid career. Attractive opportunities for young Scots are very thin on the ground in what is already a cut-throat business. I guess it's not so surprising that Scottish talent is not developed to the same degree as is the case in the EU. I think you might well extend the argument to the insular outlook and chaotic government that the SNP has inflicted upon the country and its inhabitants tbh. Nothing to stop Scottish players moving to European clubs or even further afield if they are good enough to do so and are prepared to take on the challenges of language/ culture change etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 11:57:24 GMT
From the current squad:
Kieran Tierney, Real Sociedad.
Jack Hendry, Al-Ettifaq.
Scott McKenna, Copenhagen.
Lewis Morgan, NY Red Bulls.
Plus 5 PL players and 9 Championship players.
Recent call-ups not in the squad:
Josh Doig, Sassuolo.
Max Johnston, Sturm Graz.
Aaron Hickey, joined Brentford last summer from Bologna.
Lewis Ferguson, Bologna.
Plus 5 other PL players (6 inc. Hickey) and 3 Champ players.
I make that between 16-28 players plying their trade at a more competitive level than the Scottish Premiership, depending on your opinions of the Championship, Saudi Pro League, and MLS. At least 6 have been playing Champions League or Europa League football recently.
The problem is almost all those players (especially once you start cutting out those from the more questionable foreign leagues) are midfielders or full-backs. Their number 1 plays for Norwich (to the bafflement of many Norwich fans) and their big crisis going into this tournament was Lyndon Dykes getting injured. (QPR, for those who don't know.)
Strong midfields aren't going to fear McTominay and McGinn. Weak midfields can simply bypass the centre of the pitch. And there isn't a team in this tournament without at least one player who'd be licking their lips at the thought of popping shots at Gunn.
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 16, 2024 12:44:11 GMT
Just a thought.... Scotland doesn't have an extensive league but neither do several other European countries. The difference is that players in small leagues like those in Croatia, Slovenia, Cyprus et al have free access to the entire football structure of the EU, Scots have only England where they can forge a well paid career. Attractive opportunities for young Scots are very thin on the ground in what is already a cut-throat business. I guess it's not so surprising that Scottish talent is not developed to the same degree as is the case in the EU. OMG.... Oh so Scotland's poor showing was all down to Brexit, well that has to be one of the weakest pro EU comment's ever ! |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 16, 2024 12:46:50 GMT
Just a thought.... Scotland doesn't have an extensive league but neither do several other European countries. The difference is that players in small leagues like those in Croatia, Slovenia, Cyprus et al have free access to the entire football structure of the EU, Scots have only England where they can forge a well paid career. Attractive opportunities for young Scots are very thin on the ground in what is already a cut-throat business. I guess it's not so surprising that Scottish talent is not developed to the same degree as is the case in the EU. I think you might well extend the argument to the insular outlook and chaotic government that the SNP has inflicted upon the country and its inhabitants tbh. Nothing to stop Scottish players moving to European clubs or even further afield if they are good enough to do so and are prepared to take on the challenges of language/ culture change etc. Bullseye comment ! |
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Post by mayland0s on Jun 16, 2024 12:51:10 GMT
Scotland? what a disaster, could end up being the worst team in the tournament. do love it when they get their come-u-pence. Why don't they ask Big Sam he could get a tune out of them. Personally I support all the home nations and want them to do well ,probably more than I do England . |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 16, 2024 12:53:08 GMT
Scotland has struggled for years, the EU connection doesn’t hold water historically.
Passion of fans rarely matched by on field performances. Not too different to England in some ways.
Watched the game. Rabbits in the headlights. Rather than being the underdogs who really gave it a go, they just rolled over. No guts, no effort. Pathetic. That’s what must hurt, not the defeat which was to be expected but the passion, desire, effort. Cackfest. Scotland the Brave? Not that day. They just gave Germany a great confidence boost. Poor performance and the goalkeeping of schoolboys standard.
There quality was that of a decent league 1 team. Not too sure it even matched that. I was shocked. Germany don’t even look that good. Their players need to take a good look at themselves. Shocking.
Naff all to do with Brexit, everything to do with a lack of pride in the badge.
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Post by tommydark on Jun 16, 2024 14:04:47 GMT
The Scottish goalkeeper moved in slow motion all evening.sign him up orient.
And defence too slow closing down around their own box.
Hackney marshes stuff.
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Post by Fisch on Jun 16, 2024 16:32:00 GMT
Nothing to stop Scottish players moving to European clubs or even further afield if they are good enough to do so and are prepared to take on the challenges of language/ culture change etc. Bullseye comment ! Plenty to stop them. UK players may not play in an EU country unless they are already an established international player. Otherwise, a work visa will be refused. Another win for Brexit. |
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Post by kbola on Jun 16, 2024 17:37:31 GMT
Just a thought.... Scotland doesn't have an extensive league but neither do several other European countries. The difference is that players in small leagues like those in Croatia, Slovenia, Cyprus et al have free access to the entire football structure of the EU, Scots have only England where they can forge a well paid career. Attractive opportunities for young Scots are very thin on the ground in what is already a cut-throat business. I guess it's not so surprising that Scottish talent is not developed to the same degree as is the case in the EU. Exactly right. England and Scotland have both won naff all since BREXIT |
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Post by Thor on Jun 16, 2024 18:04:34 GMT
Just a thought.... Scotland doesn't have an extensive league but neither do several other European countries. The difference is that players in small leagues like those in Croatia, Slovenia, Cyprus et al have free access to the entire football structure of the EU, Scots have only England where they can forge a well paid career. Attractive opportunities for young Scots are very thin on the ground in what is already a cut-throat business. I guess it's not so surprising that Scottish talent is not developed to the same degree as is the case in the EU. Exactly right. England and Scotland have both won naff all since BREXIT But English teams have dominated european competition's since Brexit! |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 16, 2024 19:09:31 GMT
Plenty to stop them. UK players may not play in an EU country unless they are already an established international player. Otherwise, a work visa will be refused. Another win for Brexit. And how much did Scotland and England win as international teams when they were in the EU.....nothing as I recall ! Going back many years, England won the world up in 1966, years before we joined the Common Market !
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Post by billericayo on Jun 16, 2024 20:04:16 GMT
....So how come the've been useless for the last thirty years even when we were part of the EU I think there's more to it than just that. Most Euro teams play a slow-slow-quick-slow game with much less reliance on muscle, aggression and sheer lung power, attributes found more in northern climes. The cost of scouting in Scotland is huge and most EU don't bother and leave it the EPL and EFL moneybags clubs. One way or another, players in Scotland have little chance to show their pure football skills and also have high expectations of their incomes. Apart from The Glasgow and Edinburgh clubs plus Aberdeen, the rest are of the SPL are at EFL1 level (I'm being generous there). Add in the Brexit isolation and you end up with the worst combination of factors to develop talent. Wales only have 4 teams of note, Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport. Yet they get further in international matches than the "sweaty socks" a nation of Romantic Losers |
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