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Jul 19, 2024 17:12:59 GMT
Post by dohnut on Jul 19, 2024 17:12:59 GMT
With all the talk or getting players in early and having little black books of targets we are a few days away from our (late) pre season training camp with 2/3 starters missing. The Spanish training camp should be about getting the squad on the same page tactically and with such big positions missing then it's an opportunity missed. From Mark Devlins response on X it seems we will have to wait a little longer yet. Hopefully they suprise us by announcing at least one tonight. Mark Devlin mentioned last week the club were very busy regarding transfers so we have no reason to doubt it would happen. Of course they will. Maybe with Burnley getting a new keeper who knows, maybe Vigs, or is that me just being silly. Thinking of the RW smile! It would have been nice to have them (most) for Spain. If that don’t happen let’s at least get them in for the friendlies. Going to be hard to get them match fit once the season has started, no passengers needed in the league. We are where we are and where many of us thought we would be months ago. And at least Devlin is not selling any immediate expectations.
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Jul 19, 2024 17:20:39 GMT
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Post by inah on Jul 19, 2024 17:20:39 GMT
Great point, we have an amazing manager and owners that have the clubs best interest at heart, I just wish we were better at transfer windows 🤣
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Post by Thor on Jul 19, 2024 21:32:54 GMT
I'm going to say we've ended up with unrealistic expectations. Despite the well intentioned and hawkish rhetoric fron our leaders, the making of deals in our sphere depend almost entirely on the settlement of other deals further up the food chain. The timing of any of this is 90% out of our control. We could follow Steve Evans and pay top dollar for people and miss out on later opportunities. It remains to be seen which strategy will prove the better option. I sad famously last season we would finish above Stevenage and Mr B and I kept this going all season long. I was wrong and he was right. They were not a better team than us, far from it. However, looking back I do feel that by doing his transfer business early it allowed him time to settle the players in, get them match fit early and we’ll drilled in his style of play. Again I’ve been pretty vocal in his style of play being pretty prehistoric. When all this is weighed up and on the balance of probabilities it seems his early business had an impact from the get go, they started fast and only faded right near the end, where I suspect they were finally being found out. I will hazard a guess Rotherham will start fast this season, again due to early business and him drilling the team in his expectations. We on the other hand sit around waiting for players to rock up and if we start slow this time, we will be in trouble as the first 8 games we are capable of losing the lot.
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Post by dohnut on Jul 20, 2024 7:14:43 GMT
RW is spot on when he talks about wanting a good preseason. Last term we had 13 games in the first two months, losing 7. Of the rest we managed just 3 wins. Who can forget some crappy results at home too. 4-0 to Portsmouth, 3-0 to Stevenage. What about that crap result at Fleetwood. That was painful.
Caraboa Cup, EFL trophy, league. You name it, we did bad. The cups don’t matter other than the opportunity to earn money and add a bit of interest. So in reality important enough. Thankfully we picked up and even flirted with the play offs, until a rubbish January window. Do I spot a trend? Deja vu from the January before and our windows in general.
Thankfully and hopefully we start this season with Agyei looking good, our big hope for a better start and fewer games 10. A squad with a tad more experience. A great manager. As ever hope over expectation.
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Jul 20, 2024 7:27:43 GMT
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 20, 2024 7:27:43 GMT
Hopefully the biggest difference this year is that we won’t start the season with a load of injured players. That is what impacted us majorly beginning of last season. Graham was off the pace because he was a late arrival and by the time he got up to speed, the injury curse struck again. That is my take on why we started slowly last year. This season late arrivals will take time to get up to speed, so we won’t have squad depth until after the first 10 games or so. So we’ll be relying on the side that showed it could compete last season and keeping fingers crossed that we don’t have injuries to derail us. Not ideal but it could be worse.
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Jul 20, 2024 9:26:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 9:26:37 GMT
What about that crap result at Fleetwood. At least the most disappointing result of the season if not the worst. We'd finally started to look good enough for this league, the Stevenage loss being an expected blip in a run of decent results. I don't think Fleetwood had even scored a goal before playing us. They certainly hadn't picked up a point. Then we conceded from a move they were attempting for the third time in ten minutes. Truly dreadful.
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Jul 20, 2024 11:17:48 GMT
Post by dohnut on Jul 20, 2024 11:17:48 GMT
Hopefully the biggest difference this year is that we won’t start the season with a load of injured players. That is what impacted us majorly beginning of last season. Graham was off the pace because he was a late arrival and by the time he got up to speed, the injury curse struck again. That is my take on why we started slowly last year. This season late arrivals will take time to get up to speed, so we won’t have squad depth until after the first 10 games or so. So we’ll be relying on the side that showed it could compete last season and keeping fingers crossed that we don’t have injuries to derail us. Not ideal but it could be worse. Hope so. We just cannot afford another slow start, we lacked depth last season too. We won’t have depth in the first two months this season but the cup games will provide an opportunity for new players to get match fit. Hopefully we can qualify this time and maybe even get past round 1 of Caribou cup, easier game this time round. Famous last words. Its just a shame that for the first two months we will be short of the depth (and fit) to help us achieve in this heavy period whilst not having to risk key players.
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Jul 20, 2024 21:23:30 GMT
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Post by lukeryan on Jul 20, 2024 21:23:30 GMT
On the Charlton forum a few are saying we will be in relegation scrap with our current squad. They didn’t rate DJ at all saying league 2 standard at best and thought we’re more ambitious. They think ruel a big loss too.
Funny how others perceive from afar I haven’t heard the R word mentioned with us at all from anyone on here, but makes you think - we need to sign some bodies now
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Jul 20, 2024 21:36:32 GMT
Post by Thor on Jul 20, 2024 21:36:32 GMT
On the Charlton forum a few are saying we will be in relegation scrap with our current squad. They didn’t rate DJ at all saying league 2 standard at best and thought we’re more ambitious. They think ruel a big loss too. Funny how others perceive from afar I haven’t heard the R word mentioned with us at all from anyone on here, but makes you think - we need to sign some bodies now Those thoughts can’t be considered until we’ve assembled our squad. At present it’s weaker than last season we’ve lost Ruel 13 goals and Shaq 9 goals and replaced them with Kelman who can’t score and Perkins who I hope turns out well for us. So right now it’s not looking good, but we have time, but that time will not be so productive in getting them ready as were into the third week of pre season.
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Jul 21, 2024 6:42:37 GMT
Post by mrb on Jul 21, 2024 6:42:37 GMT
On the Charlton forum a few are saying we will be in relegation scrap with our current squad. They didn’t rate DJ at all saying league 2 standard at best and thought we’re more ambitious. They think ruel a big loss too. Funny how others perceive from afar I haven’t heard the R word mentioned with us at all from anyone on here, but makes you think - we need to sign some bodies now Those thoughts can’t be considered until we’ve assembled our squad. At present it’s weaker than last season we’ve lost Ruel 13 goals and Shaq 9 goals and replaced them with Kelman who can’t score and Perkins who I hope turns out well for us. So right now it’s not looking good, but we have time, but that time will not be so productive in getting them ready as were into the third week of pre season. Shame we can only “hope” our players do a good job for us this season
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Jul 21, 2024 7:13:43 GMT
Post by Thor on Jul 21, 2024 7:13:43 GMT
Those thoughts can’t be considered until we’ve assembled our squad. At present it’s weaker than last season we’ve lost Ruel 13 goals and Shaq 9 goals and replaced them with Kelman who can’t score and Perkins who I hope turns out well for us. So right now it’s not looking good, but we have time, but that time will not be so productive in getting them ready as were into the third week of pre season. Shame we can only “hope” our players do a good job for us this season I know they will, I also know the coaching team will do a good job. The trouble we face is the depth of squad and the quality that replaces the first 11. We suffered last season when on a good run as we ran out of steam due to a lack of depth, looks like we are going down the same path hoping for a different ending.
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Jul 21, 2024 7:50:48 GMT
Post by dohnut on Jul 21, 2024 7:50:48 GMT
Shame we can only “hope” our players do a good job for us this season I know they will, I also know the coaching team will do a good job. The trouble we face is the depth of squad and the quality that replaces the first 11. We suffered last season when on a good run as we ran out of steam due to a lack of depth, looks like we are going down the same path hoping for a different ending. I still think players will come in, they have to. We suffered in two ways last season due to a lack of depth, a very poor start and running out of steam. We can only hope, now it’s too late to deal with the former, that the kids step up and we don’t get preseason injuries. But still time to ensure we don’t run out of steam. But I struggle to take seriously club comments about players any more. Believe it when it happens is the best way.
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Jul 21, 2024 9:46:26 GMT
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Post by Thor on Jul 21, 2024 9:46:26 GMT
We lost 10 players from last seasons squad and only 4 have come in so far. Looks like we are going with a smaller squad this season, as I don't see 6 players arriving, do you?
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Jul 21, 2024 9:55:36 GMT
Post by dohnut on Jul 21, 2024 9:55:36 GMT
We lost 10 players from last seasons squad and only 4 have come in so far. Looks like we are going with a smaller squad this season, as I don't see 6 players arriving, do you? Done the math Thor. Reduced playing squad, reduced wage bill. Been wondering for a while if we are going through a period of belt tightening. Losses have been high and probably unsustainable. As eca pointed out we have a big backroom team. Also invested in ground improvements and although financed over a long period, still have to be managed. The costs are stacking up. The income opportunities limited. The club are focused on getting the structure sorted out for the long term, fair enough. But I hope not at the expense of the playing squad. Right now it feels that way. We should be ok at coping this season, investing in a good manager a wise move, we will need him.
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Jul 21, 2024 10:02:21 GMT
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Post by tommydark on Jul 21, 2024 10:02:21 GMT
I noticed this as every player we've signed so far can play more than one position. Smacks of a reduced squad with plenty of reshuffling when injuries and bans kick in
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Jul 21, 2024 10:05:07 GMT
Post by MungO on Jul 21, 2024 10:05:07 GMT
On the Charlton forum a few are saying we will be in relegation scrap with our current squad. They didn’t rate DJ at all saying league 2 standard at best and thought we’re more ambitious. They think ruel a big loss too. This is interesting and think will prove how good a coach that Richie is. Richie coached the best out of DJ when he had him at Swindon. Kelman, whilst not prolific with us, played his best football under Richie. He is now a year older, wiser, more experienced, and back with a coach who knows what to expect of him. Same with Smyth, Ruel, El-Miz. It's going to be interesting to see what happens to Ruel at Bristol Rovers. Sad to see him go, but i think we sold a peak Ruel to Bristol Rovers, i don't think he'll get much better. We did this with Ogie too, Richie knew he'd gone as far as he could with him and Gillingham came wading in. Sort of like selling a stock or share at its highest price. I think this is good business. Sad to see them go, but top business. Perkins could solve this, he may not, has he ever really been coached as a first-team player? Look how raw Forde was when he turned up to how he left. Will El-Miz thrive under a different regime? He didn't thrive at his other loans and only looked good at Orient with Richie. Can the Everton lad pick up from where El-Miz couldn't? The signs are that Jordan Graham looked extremely happy playing under Richie after not being too keen on his Birmingham roles. Ollie O'Neill is another with a proper season under his belt now, time to thrive or falter? Maybe we don't need a Forde. Shaq Forde? Could he be another Kelman or Smyth that only looked good with us? Again it'll be interesting to see where he goes and how he fares. Of course it works the other way too. Piggot just wasn't for us and Richie, although a good player, ultimately it was a waste of a year for all involved and he sort of seems to suit Wimbledon.
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Jul 21, 2024 11:26:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 11:26:34 GMT
On the Charlton forum a few are saying we will be in relegation scrap with our current squad. They didn’t rate DJ at all saying league 2 standard at best and thought we’re more ambitious. They think ruel a big loss too. Funny how others perceive from afar I haven’t heard the R word mentioned with us at all from anyone on here, but makes you think - we need to sign some bodies now In comparison, they've lost about the same number of key players from last year's squad as we have, give or take one. They've lost three more players in total than us and signed two more. As much as I like Ruel, I doubt a single O thinks he's that big a loss. And for all the goals Kelman didn't score for us in L2, you know he's going to do exactly what the manager wants. Ruel is not that player. Interestingly, Kelman's goals per minute is higher in L1 (1 in 296) than L2 (1 in 357). Ruel's is 1 in 272.
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Jul 21, 2024 13:26:41 GMT
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Post by lukeryan on Jul 21, 2024 13:26:41 GMT
Mungo - just on your peak Sotiriou point, if he put away the easy ones last year he would have had 10 more goals. The year before the same. If some coaching can unlock that … because he gets the chances because he gets in the positions
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Post by Ramrod on Jul 21, 2024 13:39:45 GMT
I'm maybe in a minority, but the squad looks pretty good to me.
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Jul 21, 2024 13:46:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 13:46:52 GMT
I'm maybe in a minority, but the squad looks pretty good to me. Bar a goalie I think we have a decent squad to start the season with now. Late signings don't need to start right away (although remember how good Idris looked after just a day?).
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