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Post by osoldguy on Aug 24, 2024 13:07:30 GMT
Do you think we are in decline or just holding on to the status quo.Why I ask is because so many comments have a negative view of what is going on at Orient if we don't sign every player "who could do a job for us". Tanking of Status Quo let's hope we hear it today đ¤ let's hope it's not down the dust pipe or down down𤣠|
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Post by billk53 on Aug 24, 2024 13:22:56 GMT
...or melting away like ice in the sun
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Post by redintheface on Aug 25, 2024 13:31:38 GMT
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Post by redshank on Aug 25, 2024 14:44:55 GMT
...or melting away like ice in the sun A Marty Wilde written song I believe.From Reg Smith to Marty Wilde. |
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Post by billk53 on Aug 25, 2024 14:59:02 GMT
...or melting away like ice in the sun A Marty Wilde written song I believe.From Reg Smith to Marty Wilde. Yes indeed. Top ten hit late summer 1968 |
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Post by redshank on Aug 25, 2024 15:14:40 GMT
Marty Wide with a tash singing Abergavenny is a joy.Search on you tube.
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Post by billk53 on Aug 25, 2024 15:38:06 GMT
That was also from 1968, my best-loved year...
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Post by fortissimo on Aug 27, 2024 6:56:47 GMT
If the best Blackpool can aspire to is RW then I feel sorry for them
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Post by posho on Aug 27, 2024 9:54:09 GMT
RM says that he has not received a call from Blackpool, but that's not to say NT hasn't. Their forum would be pleased to get him and bang on about being a bigger club than us but does RW want higher. He alluded to the championship. Although RW signed a new contract with us, I feel that he is reaching his limit with us, the constant reference to budget etc is proof for me.Remember Evans signed a new contract with Stevenage and then almost immediately left for Rotherham. Contracts mean nothing. I'm not sure I would be sad to see Wellens go, we are clearly a long way from being ready for the championship and I'm sure he knows that. Stability in league one is the key to the future in the championship and it's not what Wellens wants
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Post by Thor on Aug 27, 2024 10:04:24 GMT
Thinking back to his comments post match, was he throwing down an ultimatum to the board? Back me or I'm off?
On the balance of the incoming playets this season he has been let down really. I don't think we've bought in bad players, but we've not bought players who will rocket you up the league from day one. We've no big players who will take control of the match, no bustling forward who will smash his way through or a keeper we can call our own.
If he goes we will be relegated of that I am certain whoever would take over.
Whilst I am happy with the performances so far despite nill points, we need that little bit more to make us truly competitive.
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Post by posho on Aug 27, 2024 10:50:15 GMT
Reflecting further, we had a good season last time ,but there was frustration around the january window and RW felt that we could have made the playoffs. This window we have lost 11 squad players plus Piggot and Moncur =13 and brought in 7 with 4 being loanees. He must look at other clubs in this league and I dont mean the BIG ones and think that I'm not going any further staying here. I would lf I was a young and ambitious manager, not sure that Blackpool is the step up he wants
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Post by Thor on Aug 27, 2024 10:59:36 GMT
Thats a key point you've made. If the board had backed him in Jan I'm certain we would have made the play offs, after that luck comes into play with injuries and suspensions etc.
So is Ling more of a hindrance than a benefit? I know he recently spoke highly of him and I don't doubt it, but as he's responsible for brininging players, is he failing RW? I can't believe Nigel or Kent say nah don't want him, they wouldn't interfer I am sure, but why didn't Ling fetch in the players needed in Jan and this window?
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Post by redintheface on Aug 27, 2024 11:14:56 GMT
The obvious answer is that there is a restricted budget available to him for transfers I would have thought. Or are you implying itâs time for the perennial â Ling is the problemâ debate to restart?
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Post by dohnut on Aug 27, 2024 11:35:42 GMT
The obvious answer is that there is a restricted budget available to him for transfers I would have thought. Or are you implying itâs time for the perennial â Ling is the problemâ debate to restart? Not the time for the Ling debate. We have recruited some really good players and some poor ones too. Happens everywhere. Lately in general and Januaries in particular itâs more of the latter. The wheel will go full circle and some good ones will arrive, even on frees. Even in the next 4 days! Where we are fortunate is that in the list of poor managerial appointments we have managed two great ones, importantly managers capable of getting the best out of the players we do get. RW will not disappoint despite some modest players signing and being, in my opinion, let down. He will get sufficient out of the current squad to keep us in league 1. |
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Post by ramblingman on Aug 27, 2024 11:52:21 GMT
This is fairly routine stuff. The Board of Directors (of which Ling is one) is duty bound to prioritise the long-term future of the business: the manager wants and needs success now, for his job and his career. However loyal the manager is, and however ambitious the Board, that difference in priorities has to play out somehow.
It is public this time because of Richie's tetchy interview on Saturday which will probably end up on a media-management course for football coaches as an example of how not to do it. (Lesson 1: Prepare for the inevitable question about the job vacancy at one of your old clubs. Lesson 2: Prepare for the inevitable question about your goalkeeper's mistake that led to the first goal)
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Post by dohnut on Aug 27, 2024 12:10:25 GMT
This is fairly routine stuff. The Board of Directors (of which Ling is one) is duty bound to prioritise the long-term future of the business: the manager wants and needs success now, for his job and his career. However loyal the manager is, and however ambitious the Board, that difference in priorities has to play out somehow. It is public this time because of Richie's tetchy interview on Saturday which will probably end up on a media-management course for football coaches as an example of how not to do it. (Lesson 1: Prepare for the inevitable question about the job vacancy at one of your old clubs. Lesson 2: Prepare for the inevitable question about your goalkeeper's mistake that led to the first goal) Donât think Ling is on the Board of Directors. Being a Director doesnât assume on the Board, it can be a position of seniority but below board level. |
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Post by ramblingman on Aug 27, 2024 13:48:01 GMT
This is fairly routine stuff. The Board of Directors (of which Ling is one) is duty bound to prioritise the long-term future of the business: the manager wants and needs success now, for his job and his career. However loyal the manager is, and however ambitious the Board, that difference in priorities has to play out somehow. It is public this time because of Richie's tetchy interview on Saturday which will probably end up on a media-management course for football coaches as an example of how not to do it. (Lesson 1: Prepare for the inevitable question about the job vacancy at one of your old clubs. Lesson 2: Prepare for the inevitable question about your goalkeeper's mistake that led to the first goal) Donât think Ling is on the Board of Directors. Being a Director doesnât assume on the Board, it can be a position of seniority but below board level. I stand corrected |
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Post by redintheface on Aug 27, 2024 14:19:15 GMT
It is public this time because of Richie's tetchy interview on Saturday which will probably end up on a media-management course for football coaches as an example of how not to do it. (Lesson 1: Prepare for the inevitable question about the job vacancy at one of your old clubs. Lesson 2: Prepare for the inevitable question about your goalkeeper's mistake that led to the first goal) Indeed . The consequence of an interview being conducted whilst annoyed and under prepared is that the media can then write articles like this!đ www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fuming-richie-wellens-blames-birmingham-29806122 |
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Post by redshank on Aug 27, 2024 15:21:17 GMT
The obvious answer is that there is a restricted budget available to him for transfers I would have thought. Or are you implying itâs time for the perennial â Ling is the problemâ debate to restart? Hope not,it is more than tiresome and pretty insulting. |
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Post by Thor on Aug 27, 2024 15:48:54 GMT
The obvious answer is that there is a restricted budget available to him for transfers I would have thought. Or are you implying itâs time for the perennial â Ling is the problemâ debate to restart? not really no. I think he's doing an half decent job actually. But who or what is stopping us? Budget, yes, but, does Ling say no to a player? We got those youth players in Jan who were wholly not suited to league football, so I can't see RW saying yeah they're do especially as he was critical in some ways of them coming in. So was ling blocking then and now? Or is the board saying we can't do it? I am not saying go for broke, we've been there done that and I've no appetite to go there again. What we can agree on is the slowness of getting players in. That's on lings doorstep. In my mind we are so close, but in reality so far away from challenging. We can bridge that gap, but how I do not know. |
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