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Post by MungO on Aug 31, 2024 9:25:54 GMT
Yeah we're definitely not moving backwards.
Debatable this season if we're moving forwards. I mean we've only lost El-Miz. The rest like Ruel were a bit meh.
Probably a holding and developing season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 11:25:28 GMT
Much too early to say. What recent signings have truly excited us the day they were announced, not including returning players like Idris and Theo? Hardly objective of course, but I can only think of three:
Moncs: Even for those of us who liked him it's impossible to argue that he was good value for money (without speculating about his influence on the dressing room and other unknowns).
Agyei and Graham: Both been injured for half the time they've been here and we did fine without them.
Some of our best current players arrived with little fanfare, if any at all. We've largely made the sort of signings we always make: younger players who've shown glimpses of potential and experienced players with a point to prove. As usual, some will work out, some won't.
My concerns are longer term:
1: Spent half a million on improvements to a stadium we don't own without yet knowing the impact of the Sky deal on attendances. Seems like a poorly timed investment to me. 2: 16 players out of contract at the end of the season. Given the above, will we have the budget to extend the contracts of some our more valuable assets and adequately replace the losses?
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Post by buffalobill on Aug 31, 2024 11:31:00 GMT
Of course we could be in the Championship next season and having gaps to fill might be a blessing in disguise 😉
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Post by MungO on Aug 31, 2024 11:36:52 GMT
Isn’t the issue the PL clubs grabbing all the best young talent, often to stop their rivals from getting someone, so that clubs lower down the pyramid have much weaker academies as a result. PL clubs need men’s football for their youngsters to develop them, we potentially get a better quality player than we can produce ourselves, so loans make sense. As long as there is such a huge gap in finances between the top and other leagues, this will continue. Yes and no. Clubs need academies but not every player is going to be good. A good example is that if you have a star defender you'll need a centre back and two full backs to make a defence. And a keeper and midfield in that youth team with the star defender. We'll never get the star defender as they'll either go first team, overseas for development or another Premier League team. We just get left with the fodder. Like that Arsenal player last year.
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Post by MungO on Aug 31, 2024 11:44:30 GMT
When you think of our loans recently..
Idris. Lost him. Kelman. Lost him. Forde. Lost him.
Those are the only decent loans. And we've lost them all at one point.
Jack Currie who we've signed looks proper, but he'll smash it for us this season and go back to Oxford. And what does that do to Sweeney?
I understand what Ling and Richie are saying, they provide good value on the basis we pay a fraction or nominal amount of their salary. And I'm not arguing that.
But you can't build a team around loans.
Our best players are our players and I'd rather bleed in our own youth players than hope that someone else's come good and then lose them.
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Post by dohnut on Aug 31, 2024 12:06:03 GMT
I look at a window, not only the incoming but the outgoing. Not convinced we have improved overall.
No complaints about the 4 CBs, remain our strength. Claire and Currie look like upgrades. At the back we are fine. Up front no real strength change numbers wise with Kelman/Ruel, DJ /Forde. No real improvement but not gone backwards.
But have we sufficiently covered the loss of Idris and Moncur? And Pratley who looks even more of a part timer thus far in the league . Not too sure we have. Time will tell of course.
But a decent enough squad and looking around should be good enough for a comfortable, interesting season.
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Post by redshank on Aug 31, 2024 12:06:25 GMT
Loans are often the way,so many teams have won promotion with loan players and other teams are right when they call it out.3or 4 at most but anymore and it gets to be unfair especially if it is from a higher division.
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Post by redshank on Aug 31, 2024 12:08:58 GMT
I look at a window, not only the incoming but the outgoing. Not convinced we have improved overall. No complaints about the 4 CBs, remain our strength. Claire and Currie look like upgrades. At the back we are fine. Up front no real strength change numbers wise with Kelman/Ruel, DJ /Forde. No real improvement but not gone backwards. But have we sufficiently covered the loss of Idris and Moncur? And Pratley who looks even more of a part timer thus far in the league . Not too sure we have. Time will tell of course. But a decent enough squad and looking around should be good enough for a comfortable, interesting season. Good comment,I think comfortable is the operative word and one we would all settle for with the amount of money sloshing around in the third tier.However...................................................
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Post by Thor on Aug 31, 2024 12:09:14 GMT
Much too early to say. What recent signings have truly excited us the day they were announced, not including returning players like Idris and Theo? Hardly objective of course, but I can only think of three: Moncs: Even for those of us who liked him it's impossible to argue that he was good value for money (without speculating about his influence on the dressing room and other unknowns). Agyei and Graham: Both been injured for half the time they've been here and we did fine without them. Some of our best current players arrived with little fanfare, if any at all. We've largely made the sort of signings we always make: younger players who've shown glimpses of potential and experienced players with a point to prove. As usual, some will work out, some won't. My concerns are longer term: 1: Spent half a million on improvements to a stadium we don't own without yet knowing the impact of the Sky deal on attendances. Seems like a poorly timed investment to me. 2: 16 players out of contract at the end of the season. Given the above, will we have the budget to extend the contracts of some our more valuable assets and adequately replace the losses? Nigel and the Little ceo fella whose name escapes me said the stadium works were done for a few reasons. Better matchday experience Meets higher safety certificate criteria Potential to increase the East to max capacity Sweats the assets Better Return on investment I think was 2-3 years More income less losses / team investment As for the South stand again they want to use that space more frequently than match days and the refit was needed and required to achieve that.
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Post by dohnut on Aug 31, 2024 12:09:47 GMT
Loans are often the way,so many teams have won promotion with loan players and other teams are right when they call it out.3or 4 at most but anymore and it gets to be unfair especially if it is from a higher division. Loan players are now a key part of squads. But a core of contracted player’s helping continuity is ideal if we are to avoid the annual mass exodus. Come June the transfer committee are going to have to work overtime, lots of changes to come.
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Post by redshank on Aug 31, 2024 12:20:39 GMT
Loans are often the way,so many teams have won promotion with loan players and other teams are right when they call it out.3or 4 at most but anymore and it gets to be unfair especially if it is from a higher division. Loan players are now a key part of squads. But a core of contracted player’s helping continuity is ideal if we are to avoid the annual mass exodus. Come June the transfer committee are going to have to work overtime, lots of changes to come. Yup we cannot keep a team for more than one year,difficult to name all the players in last years squad and the previous year,but it is very much the way of football as we all know.It has changed since agents and player power has crept into the game.Is it better for that,one season you could say yes the other no.
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Post by buffalobill on Aug 31, 2024 12:35:13 GMT
I look at a window, not only the incoming but the outgoing. Not convinced we have improved overall. No complaints about the 4 CBs, remain our strength. Claire and Currie look like upgrades. At the back we are fine. Up front no real strength change numbers wise with Kelman/Ruel, DJ /Forde. No real improvement but not gone backwards. But have we sufficiently covered the loss of Idris and Moncur? And Pratley who looks even more of a part timer thus far in the league . Not too sure we have. Time will tell of course. But a decent enough squad and looking around should be good enough for a comfortable, interesting season. I’d say overall we are stronger. At the back as you say, but the Galbraith, Obiero, Brown of this season are much better than beginning of last season. Subjective, but I reckon the ‘new’ Kelman will eclipse the Ruel of last year, DJ/Forde I’d agree we haven’t gone backwards. Idris and Moncs? I see Galbraith as Moncs successor, Idris, well difficult to replace but could Donley be the answer. I hope so.
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Post by buffalobill on Aug 31, 2024 12:37:27 GMT
Oh and Warrington, being groomed to take over from Prat’s?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 13:00:35 GMT
Nigel and the Little ceo fella whose name escapes me said the stadium works were done for a few reasons. Better matchday experience Meets higher safety certificate criteria Potential to increase the East to max capacity Sweats the assets Better Return on investment I think was 2-3 years More income less losses / team investment As for the South stand again they want to use that space more frequently than match days and the refit was needed and required to achieve that. I understand that, but the return on investment was surely based on the assumption that we'd sell out the extra 500 seats, plus higher attendances equalling more spend on pints n pies, etc. Ticket sales instead appear to be down on last season.
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Post by mujtahido on Aug 31, 2024 13:47:15 GMT
Just my opinion but i think Donley will be excellent for us this season.I was watching him closely against Birmingham and he hax real quality strong on the ball good vision and always looking to play forward will easily be as good as idris IMO
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Post by redintheface on Aug 31, 2024 14:03:48 GMT
Poll is now locked . Thanks to all who responded . The verdict is ( maybe like our transfer window ?) a bit of a mixed bag. 60% felt the club’s activity was not “ good” with 40% feeling it was. Time to reflect between now and January.😀👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 14:14:26 GMT
Poll is now locked . Thanks to all who responded . The verdict is ( maybe like our transfer window ?) a bit of a mixed bag. 60% felt the club’s activity was not “ good” with 40% feeling it was. Time to reflect between now and January.😀👍 Tbf I voted "indifferent" in lieu of an "ok" option. Not sure they're quite the same thing though 🤷
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Post by dohnut on Aug 31, 2024 14:40:21 GMT
I look at a window, not only the incoming but the outgoing. Not convinced we have improved overall. No complaints about the 4 CBs, remain our strength. Claire and Currie look like upgrades. At the back we are fine. Up front no real strength change numbers wise with Kelman/Ruel, DJ /Forde. No real improvement but not gone backwards. But have we sufficiently covered the loss of Idris and Moncur? And Pratley who looks even more of a part timer thus far in the league . Not too sure we have. Time will tell of course. But a decent enough squad and looking around should be good enough for a comfortable, interesting season. I’d say overall we are stronger. At the back as you say, but the Galbraith, Obiero, Brown of this season are much better than beginning of last season. Subjective, but I reckon the ‘new’ Kelman will eclipse the Ruel of last year, DJ/Forde I’d agree we haven’t gone backwards. Idris and Moncs? I see Galbraith as Moncs successor, Idris, well difficult to replace but could Donley be the answer. I hope so. When I was looking at the window I ignored those already with us. Not too sure to include them is valid when viewing changes, same for those back from injury or Theo who is now injured. Just the outs and ins. Looking only at the changes I struggle to see improvement overall.
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Post by zimo on Aug 31, 2024 14:41:39 GMT
I’d say this was the transfer window where we could have made a statement and been playoff contenders, however the disaster it looks so far has made us relegation fodder
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 14:51:42 GMT
I’d say this was the transfer window where we could have made a statement and been playoff contenders, however the disaster it looks so far has made us relegation fodder Why would you have said that? We had half a million to spend and the choice was better players or better toilets. The decision makes itself!
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