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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 11:31:07 GMT
I agree, Watfordo.
This is a stronger squad than last season and it is inconceivable that it won't do as well, unless panic or despondency sets in. It may take time before results begin to pick up though. It's a more competitive division and the next few fixtures are tough, but I have no doubt that if we keep our manager and our heads we'll be sitting comfortably by Christmas and enjoying performances at least as good as least season.
I too agree with WatfordO and his view of sales teams, I spent 40 years working closely with and frequently supporting sales teams in a customer-facing role. The largest being £27m a year opportunity. My observation being that optimism is a necessary part of sales, it can be a soul-destroying job at times. But a smattering injection of realism too is needed. I’ve heard all-too-often sales people making promises I damn well knew they (the company) would not be able to keep. Get the order and let others worry about the details stuff. Optimism is great but if it’s promising the impossible just to get the deal it just create creates problems elsewhere down the supply chain. Optimism is great, all managers need it. But so is a dash of realism. Having said that, I feel we have some decent players who, once get their act together, will be OK. No panics, just a lot of work for Richie and his team to do. And I mean a lot. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 4, 2024 11:41:23 GMT
I agree, Watfordo.
This is a stronger squad than last season and it is inconceivable that it won't do as well, unless panic or despondency sets in. It may take time before results begin to pick up though. It's a more competitive division and the next few fixtures are tough, but I have no doubt that if we keep our manager and our heads we'll be sitting comfortably by Christmas and enjoying performances at least as good as least season.
I too agree with WatfordO and his view of sales teams, I spent 40 years working closely with and frequently supporting sales teams in a customer-facing role. The largest being £27m a year opportunity. My observation being that optimism is a necessary part of sales, it can be a soul-destroying job at times. But a smattering injection of realism too is needed. I’ve heard all-too-often sales people making promises I damn well knew they (the company) would not be able to keep. Get the order and let others worry about the details stuff. Optimism is great but if it’s promising the impossible just to get the deal it just create creates problems elsewhere down the supply chain. Optimism is great, all managers need it. But so is a dash of realism. Having said that, I feel we have some decent players who, once get their act together, will be OK. No panics, just a lot of work for Richie and his team to do. And I mean a lot. My view of sales teams is slightly different in that the teams I ran did not have a ‘flog it and run’ mentality. That wouldnt have worked in our sector. Positivity will always achieve more than negativity. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 4, 2024 11:43:04 GMT
Im sorry but that type of thinking is alien to me. I cant look to the future and just see pain. Im an optimist to my core. Always have been. Being an optimist or a pessimist will not change the outcome but I’ll enjoy the ride more than most. I also believe that optimists achieve more and encourage others. Having managed sales teams, I know this to be true. Try starting up, running, coaching and managing a football team for yourself, you will learn a lot. No doubt I would but thats not my field and I suspect its not the field of the majority of people on the board either. Of course we can have an opinion but the board would be daft to listen to them over and above actual professionals. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 4, 2024 11:58:35 GMT
Try starting up, running, coaching and managing a football team for yourself, you will learn a lot. No doubt I would but thats not my field and I suspect its not the field of the majority of people on the board either. Of course we can have an opinion but the board would be daft to listen to them over and above actual professionals. I played football from the age of 8 years and I had to give up playing football aged around 22 due to injury, then started a team up from nothing, friends etc and ended up with a team that evolved to have ex pros playing for me and very successfully too, did it for around ten years or so the retired from football. I have had a rough start to life with many setbacks and you learn more in life like this than when life has an easier pathway for you. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 4, 2024 12:05:53 GMT
No doubt I would but thats not my field and I suspect its not the field of the majority of people on the board either. Of course we can have an opinion but the board would be daft to listen to them over and above actual professionals. I played football from the age of 8 years and I had to give up playing football aged around 22 due to injury, then started a team up from nothing, friends etc and ended up with a team that evolved to have ex pros playing for me and very successfully too, did it for around ten years or so the retired from football. I have had a rough start to life with many setbacks and you learn more in life like this than when life has an easier pathway for you. Re your last sentence. Thats possibly true but almost no one would choose a rough path over a smooth or an unhappy path over a happy one. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 12:09:15 GMT
I too agree with WatfordO and his view of sales teams, I spent 40 years working closely with and frequently supporting sales teams in a customer-facing role. The largest being £27m a year opportunity. My observation being that optimism is a necessary part of sales, it can be a soul-destroying job at times. But a smattering injection of realism too is needed. I’ve heard all-too-often sales people making promises I damn well knew they (the company) would not be able to keep. Get the order and let others worry about the details stuff. Optimism is great but if it’s promising the impossible just to get the deal it just create creates problems elsewhere down the supply chain. Optimism is great, all managers need it. But so is a dash of realism. Having said that, I feel we have some decent players who, once get their act together, will be OK. No panics, just a lot of work for Richie and his team to do. And I mean a lot. My view of sales teams is slightly different in that the teams I ran did not have a ‘flog it and run’ mentality. That wouldnt have worked in our sector. Positivity will always achieve more than negativity. The optimism not being dishonest, just the optimistic belief that others down the supply chain would be able to keep the promises made. And of course they tried. I too have always enjoyed a positive can-do attitude. But realism needs to kick in. A great lesson when I was studying Neuro-linguistic programming. The lesson went like this, “you can get all excited and optimistic about pressing 200lbs on your way to the gym, but when you get there you need more than optimism” That for me was a great lesson in the value of optimism. It has to be coupled with realism. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 4, 2024 12:12:06 GMT
I played football from the age of 8 years and I had to give up playing football aged around 22 due to injury, then started a team up from nothing, friends etc and ended up with a team that evolved to have ex pros playing for me and very successfully too, did it for around ten years or so the retired from football. I have had a rough start to life with many setbacks and you learn more in life like this than when life has an easier pathway for you. Re your last sentence. Thats possibly true but almost no one would choose a rough path over a smooth or an unhappy path over a happy one. You dont choose how your life goes but you learn more in life like this and thus become a stronger person and more self sufficient in being able to do things for yourself and less dependent on others as I have managed to do. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 4, 2024 12:14:44 GMT
My view of sales teams is slightly different in that the teams I ran did not have a ‘flog it and run’ mentality. That wouldnt have worked in our sector. Positivity will always achieve more than negativity. The optimism not being dishonest, just the belief that others down the supply chain would be able to keep the promises they made. And of course they tried. I too have always enjoyed a positive can-do attitude. But realism needs to kick in. A great lesson when I was studying Neuro-linguistic programming. The lesson went like this, “you can get all excited and optimistic about pressing 200lbs on your way to the gym, but when you get there you need more than optimism” That for me was a great lesson in the value of optimism. It has to be coupled with realism. Your last words, blunt but so true '' the value of optimism. It has to be coupled with realism'' |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 12:34:59 GMT
The optimism not being dishonest, just the belief that others down the supply chain would be able to keep the promises they made. And of course they tried. I too have always enjoyed a positive can-do attitude. But realism needs to kick in. A great lesson when I was studying Neuro-linguistic programming. The lesson went like this, “you can get all excited and optimistic about pressing 200lbs on your way to the gym, but when you get there you need more than optimism” That for me was a great lesson in the value of optimism. It has to be coupled with realism. Your last words, blunt but so true '' the value of optimism. It has to be coupled with realism'' I'm yet to meet a single person who doesn't believe they're a realist. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 12:53:19 GMT
Your last words, blunt but so true '' the value of optimism. It has to be coupled with realism'' I'm yet to meet a single person who doesn't believe they're a realist. That you’ve not met a person don't mean they are not out there. They are, if you look. Believing and being are also two different things. Down to self awareness. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 4, 2024 13:14:20 GMT
I'm yet to meet a single person who doesn't believe they're a realist. That you’ve not met a person don't mean they are not out there. They are, if you look. Believing and being are also two different things. Down to self awareness. You only have to read some of the comments on here to pick out those who are grounded and realistic to those who have unrealistic expectations.
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Post by brentwoodo on Sept 4, 2024 13:28:42 GMT
Harsh. But hard to argue with. But what pub? The white flag? The headless chicken? The Clowns? The Wanchors Arms? The Bodge and Fcuk it up? The s*** and Shovel? The shower of $hit? Wetherspoons |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 4, 2024 13:32:50 GMT
I agree, Watfordo.
This is a stronger squad than last season and it is inconceivable that it won't do as well, unless panic or despondency sets in. It may take time before results begin to pick up though. It's a more competitive division and the next few fixtures are tough, but I have no doubt that if we keep our manager and our heads we'll be sitting comfortably by Christmas and enjoying performances at least as good as least season.
You wrote ''This is a stronger squad than last season'' really ? Then can you please explain why you think that and take in the plusses and minuses when comparing this seasons team with last seasons. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 13:33:33 GMT
Not fair, I love spoons. 😂 They get a lot of flack but the beer is good, the food decent enough for a pub and can’t complain about the prices. Popped in one this morning for breakfast. Toast, jam, two coffees all under £3. Peaceful read of a newspaper with breakfast. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 4, 2024 14:05:57 GMT
Not fair, I love spoons. 😂 They get a lot of flack but the beer is good, the food decent enough for a pub and can’t complain about the prices. Popped in one this morning for breakfast. Toast, jam, two coffees all under £3. Peaceful read of a newspaper with breakfast. Much of the flack is down to the fact that the owner Tim Martin actively campaigned for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union and was a strong supporter of Brexit, donating £200,000 to the Vote Leave campaign. My cousin refuses to go into a Wetherspoons purely for that reason. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 4, 2024 15:11:17 GMT
Agree and wish some people would give their heads a wobble and stop talking as though RW is some kind of super manager and tactician who can do no wrong. Agreed. Let me be clear , I like Wellens and think he is a good manager/ tactician but he ain’t perfect. Those who absolve him from all criticism do him nor the club any favours. Same thing with Travis and the Board. I’m still hopeful this run is just temporary blip that will turned around but the reasons behind it need to be identified, addressed and lessons learned.👍 Hi redintheface. I have sent you a personal message with a link to an online biography about Malcolm Musgrove, its very interesting and apparently he was a very fast left winger in his time at West Ham, well never saw much of that when he was at the Os !! |
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Post by redintheface on Sept 4, 2024 15:22:23 GMT
Agreed. Let me be clear , I like Wellens and think he is a good manager/ tactician but he ain’t perfect. Those who absolve him from all criticism do him nor the club any favours. Same thing with Travis and the Board. I’m still hopeful this run is just temporary blip that will turned around but the reasons behind it need to be identified, addressed and lessons learned.👍 Hi redintheface. I have sent you a personal message with a link to an online biography about Malcolm Musgrove, its very interesting and apparently he was a very fast left winger in his time at West Ham, well never saw much of that when he was at the Os !! Nor me! 😆 |
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