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Post by kbola on Sept 5, 2024 4:58:54 GMT
100% this. A few bumps in the road is nothing. Absolutely. And four league games is not a long road. What will the forum look like if we put back to back wins together and climb over four teams? That's right Nick312 we Keep the Faith we don't wet the bed |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 5, 2024 7:33:40 GMT
The only people who look like they are panicking are those telling us all not to panic ironic.
There is no panic, just a few games gone, long way to go. It will improve. We will reach mid-table and have a season of ups and downs. The coaching team will sort things out and the players will settle down. Unlikely to go up or down. Good enough.
Some continue to confuse panic with disappointment and frustration. Disappointment with the results and frustration with the endless cock-ups.
Anyone not disappointed with the results?
Anyone not frustrated with the mistakes?
Not really complex is it!
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Post by redintheface on Sept 5, 2024 7:37:27 GMT
Spot on doh. Travis and Teague deserve the thanks and respect of all O’s fans for what they have done and continue to do but ultimately they remain answerable to those same fans and I’m sure they recognise that. Not sure anyone is arguing any differently. Calling Nigel ‘shameful’ is the sort of comment I’ll repeatedly call put for being massively crass. Then direct your calling out to the person that made the comment, not others👍 |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 5, 2024 8:06:03 GMT
The only people who look like they are panicking are those telling us all not to panic ironic. There is no panic, just a few games gone, long way to go. It will improve. We will reach mid-table and have a season of ups and downs. The coaching team will sort things out and the players will settle down. Unlikely to go up or down. Good enough. Some continue to confuse panic with disappointment and frustration. Disappointment with the results and frustration with the endless cock-ups. Anyone not disappointed with the results? Anyone not frustrated with the mistakes? Not really complex is it! You must be talking about someone else. I am not panicking in the slightest. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 5, 2024 8:06:55 GMT
Not sure anyone is arguing any differently. Calling Nigel ‘shameful’ is the sort of comment I’ll repeatedly call put for being massively crass. Then direct your calling out to the person that made the comment, not others👍 I used that as an example. There are others and I’ll point them out as and when I need or want to. |
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Post by Thor on Sept 5, 2024 8:40:22 GMT
Then direct your calling out to the person that made the comment, not others👍 I used that as an example. There are others and I’ll point them out as and when I need or want to. I made the comment and it was bourne out of frustration more than anything else. I've always been positive about the team, club and our owners, my posts will certainly back that up. I'm also realistic about what we are capable of from a financial perspective and I'm not one who says spend spend spend. I just was peeed off we lost to a bunch of kids and the club they play for does not matter. When I looked at who we brought in and who we lost, my question was are we really backing Richie? My answer was no. Yes the kids will come good of that I've no doubt, but the here and now is passing us by. We had an opportunity to make the play offs last season and we failed dismally in Jan to support the charge we were on. We hear what Richie wants and we see what he gets and the two are not compatible, so someone is letting him down, which points at the DOF and the owner. The DOF gives off an air at times of I'm in charge, he doesn't need to do that, he's done more good for this club than bad over the years. It's just frustrating after the Arsenal game. Maybe I should have done what Mungo did after the Shrewsbury game and said I'll reflect on this and post tomorrow which he did. Something to consider from my perspective. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 5, 2024 9:27:59 GMT
I used that as an example. There are others and I’ll point them out as and when I need or want to. I made the comment and it was bourne out of frustration more than anything else. I've always been positive about the team, club and our owners, my posts will certainly back that up. I'm also realistic about what we are capable of from a financial perspective and I'm not one who says spend spend spend. I just was peeed off we lost to a bunch of kids and the club they play for does not matter. When I looked at who we brought in and who we lost, my question was are we really backing Richie? My answer was no. Yes the kids will come good of that I've no doubt, but the here and now is passing us by. We had an opportunity to make the play offs last season and we failed dismally in Jan to support the charge we were on. We hear what Richie wants and we see what he gets and the two are not compatible, so someone is letting him down, which points at the DOF and the owner. The DOF gives off an air at times of I'm in charge, he doesn't need to do that, he's done more good for this club than bad over the years. It's just frustrating after the Arsenal game. Maybe I should have done what Mungo did after the Shrewsbury game and said I'll reflect on this and post tomorrow which he did. Something to consider from my perspective. Fair play to you. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 5, 2024 9:35:22 GMT
I used that as an example. There are others and I’ll point them out as and when I need or want to. I made the comment and it was bourne out of frustration more than anything else. I've always been positive about the team, club and our owners, my posts will certainly back that up. I'm also realistic about what we are capable of from a financial perspective and I'm not one who says spend spend spend. I just was peeed off we lost to a bunch of kids and the club they play for does not matter. When I looked at who we brought in and who we lost, my question was are we really backing Richie? My answer was no. Yes the kids will come good of that I've no doubt, but the here and now is passing us by. We had an opportunity to make the play offs last season and we failed dismally in Jan to support the charge we were on. We hear what Richie wants and we see what he gets and the two are not compatible, so someone is letting him down, which points at the DOF and the owner. The DOF gives off an air at times of I'm in charge, he doesn't need to do that, he's done more good for this club than bad over the years. It's just frustrating after the Arsenal game. Maybe I should have done what Mungo did after the Shrewsbury game and said I'll reflect on this and post tomorrow which he did. Something to consider from my perspective. Great post Thor. Sums up the feelings of many of us I’m sure. 👍 the life of a genuine, caring and passionate supporter. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 5, 2024 10:19:47 GMT
Not sure anyone is arguing any differently. Calling Nigel ‘shameful’ is the sort of comment I’ll repeatedly call put for being massively crass. Understand what you are saying. I’m sure owners understand the passion that comes from supporting a club and sometimes it’s that very (and very welcome) passion that causes such comments to be made. Our own Richie Wellens has done what many think are stupid things and many want to excuse that as passion. With passion comes such incidents. T and T will have seen it all and heard it all before. They are big boys. The alternative is a passionate less, sterile environment. Let’s keep the passion, warts and all. We don't want the warts covering everything do we or passion leading to damn right insults.Lets get it into our heads that we have a football club that does not have millions or even tens of thousands to spend on players and their highly inflated wages.League 1 as the status quo is more than acceptable,league 2 not a total disaster albeit a step backwards where we can rally again. The constant carping drains the soul of the club and all concerned delivering their best for the club do not deserve it by a country mile.Carping has become a window habit. |
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Post by sammiiii on Sept 5, 2024 10:51:02 GMT
Weaker Keeper
Stronger Back 4 (With good options)
Weaker Midfield
Stronger Attackers (although still with the injury problems from last season and need to decide on an attacking formation which works for our players)
Midfield is the problem, time for our former midfielder now Manager to solve this, which I believe he will. Galbraith & Brown we know can be outstanding and Obiero will be there soon, Donley will be better with some more games, Warrington needs time to develop and hopefully Pratley will be subbed on at the right times in future games.
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Post by zimo on Sept 5, 2024 11:40:30 GMT
“Assuming you mean Jaiyesimi, I think he's better than Forde was at this stage last season”
Not having that, by this time last season Forde had already scored earning us our first 3 points of the season.
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Post by zimo on Sept 5, 2024 11:48:33 GMT
Weaker Keeper Stronger Back 4 (With good options) Weaker Midfield Stronger Attackers (although still with the injury problems from last season and need to decide on an attacking formation which works for our players) Midfield is the problem, time for our former midfielder now Manager to solve this, which I believe he will. Galbraith & Brown we know can be outstanding and Obiero will be there soon, Donley will be better with some more games, Warrington needs time to develop and hopefully Pratley will be subbed on at the right times in future games. Seriously, you think we are stronger on attack? So Perkins and Jaiyesimi are an upgrade on Forde and Sotiriou! I’ll leave out the Kelman and Piggot comparison, I think both are ineffective at L1 level. |
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Post by sammiiii on Sept 5, 2024 11:49:28 GMT
“Assuming you mean Jaiyesimi, I think he's better than Forde was at this stage last season” Not having that, by this time last season Forde had already scored earning us our first 3 points of the season. Technically we'd be at one point this time last season, Blackpool away no? |
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Post by sammiiii on Sept 5, 2024 11:59:29 GMT
Weaker Keeper Stronger Back 4 (With good options) Weaker Midfield Stronger Attackers (although still with the injury problems from last season and need to decide on an attacking formation which works for our players) Midfield is the problem, time for our former midfielder now Manager to solve this, which I believe he will. Galbraith & Brown we know can be outstanding and Obiero will be there soon, Donley will be better with some more games, Warrington needs time to develop and hopefully Pratley will be subbed on at the right times in future games. Seriously, you think we are stronger on attack? So Perkins and Jaiyesimi are an upgrade on Forde and Sotiriou! I’ll leave out the Kelman and Piggot comparison, I think both are ineffective at L1 level. Yes, I seriously do. Look at the first half of last season - remember Agyei not being available for the first few months due to injury, and we did not have O'Neill at this point. Then you look at Kelman in for Ruel, I do think Perkins is weak but Jaiyesimi is yet to prove himself similar to Forde. We had Pigott and Drinan last season as well. Agyei, Kelman, O'Neill, Jaiyesimi, Perkins, (Donley can play out wide), with Graham returning soon hopefully and then Theo Ruel, Theo, Graham, Forde, Pigott, Drinan, with Agyei returning later on |
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Post by zimo on Sept 5, 2024 12:00:24 GMT
“Assuming you mean Jaiyesimi, I think he's better than Forde was at this stage last season” Not having that, by this time last season Forde had already scored earning us our first 3 points of the season. Technically we'd be at one point this time last season, Blackpool away no? Yes, but we then went on a run of 16 points from 8 games. Happy to be described as a bed wetter if that makes others feel better, but I can’t see where the next point is coming from, let along a run of results like last season. |
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Post by sammiiii on Sept 5, 2024 12:05:23 GMT
Technically we'd be at one point this time last season, Blackpool away no? Yes, but we then went on a run of 16 points from 8 games. Happy to be described as a bed wetter if that makes others feel better, but I can’t see where the next point is coming from, let along a run of results like last season. Thing is, I believe we switched our formation to a back 5 at this point, which suited the likes of Pigott. I think similarly we need a change now, not necessarily a back 5 but something to suit our current available players more, get O'Neill back in the game. We'd also just been thrashed by Pompey 4-0 at home, so people would've been thinking similarly then |
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Post by zimo on Sept 5, 2024 12:08:09 GMT
Yes, but we then went on a run of 16 points from 8 games. Happy to be described as a bed wetter if that makes others feel better, but I can’t see where the next point is coming from, let along a run of results like last season. Thing is, I believe we switched our formation to a back 5 at this point, which suited the likes of Pigott. I think similarly we need a change now, not necessarily a back 5 but something to suit our current available players more, get O'Neill back in the game. We'd also just been thrashed by Pompey 4-0 at home, so people would've been thinking similarly then The other issue is by your own admission our midfield is weaker, meaning less supply and support for the attacking players. |
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Post by sammiiii on Sept 5, 2024 12:11:07 GMT
Thing is, I believe we switched our formation to a back 5 at this point, which suited the likes of Pigott. I think similarly we need a change now, not necessarily a back 5 but something to suit our current available players more, get O'Neill back in the game. We'd also just been thrashed by Pompey 4-0 at home, so people would've been thinking similarly then The other issue is by your own admission our midfield is weaker, meaning less supply and support for the attacking players. Oh definitely, I think having both Graham and Theo out is costing us here, that's two players who can whip a killer early ball, would suit Agyei and Kelman to a T One with the right foot one with the left, would instantly give us an alternative dynamic in attack |
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Post by redshank on Sept 5, 2024 13:06:04 GMT
At the moment I believe we are too reliant on Agyei being at the top of his form trying to make up for pedestrian pace and defensive errors.
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Post by mrb on Sept 5, 2024 16:03:55 GMT
The other issue is by your own admission our midfield is weaker, meaning less supply and support for the attacking players. Oh definitely, I think having both Graham and Theo out is costing us here, that's two players who can whip a killer early ball, would suit Agyei and Kelman to a T One with the right foot one with the left, would instantly give us an alternative dynamic in attack Somehow I don’t think Theo will ever be the same again.As for Graham,as much as I like him,he’ll play maybe 4/5(if that) games then he’ll be injured again |
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