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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 5, 2024 17:01:49 GMT
Oh definitely, I think having both Graham and Theo out is costing us here, that's two players who can whip a killer early ball, would suit Agyei and Kelman to a T One with the right foot one with the left, would instantly give us an alternative dynamic in attack Somehow I don’t think Theo will ever be the same again.As for Graham,as much as I like him,he’ll play maybe 4/5(if that) games then he’ll be injured again Same as I see it on Theo and Graham and some on here are banking far too much on Theo making a quick recovery and back to his best form, not going to be a quick return like this and as mrb writes ''Somehow I don’t think Theo will ever be the same again'' and that could well be the case. Plus comparisons between Forde and Jaiyesimi, well Forde is and was a young fit and ever improving player whereas Jaiyesimi has a history of injuries and has hardly set the world alight in his time at his last few clubs, we shall see if he makes rapid improvements, hope that does happen but I will be surprised if it does. |
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Post by osoldguy on Sept 5, 2024 17:13:23 GMT
Somehow I don’t think Theo will ever be the same again.As for Graham,as much as I like him,he’ll play maybe 4/5(if that) games then he’ll be injured again Same as I see it on Theo and Graham and some on here are banking far too much on Theo making a quick recovery and back to his best form, not going to be a quick return like this and as mrb writes ''Somehow I don’t think Theo will ever be the same again'' and that could well be the case. Plus comparisons between Forde and Jaiyesimi, well Forde is and was a young fit and ever improving player whereas Jaiyesimi has a history of injuries and has hardly set the world alight in his time at his last few clubs, we shall see if he makes rapid improvements, hope that does happen but I will be surprised if it does. If the medical team carryout examination of their injuries and give a prognosis that either player cannot play at the required level,will there be some insurance compensation going forward? |
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Post by mrb on Sept 5, 2024 17:20:01 GMT
Same as I see it on Theo and Graham and some on here are banking far too much on Theo making a quick recovery and back to his best form, not going to be a quick return like this and as mrb writes ''Somehow I don’t think Theo will ever be the same again'' and that could well be the case. Plus comparisons between Forde and Jaiyesimi, well Forde is and was a young fit and ever improving player whereas Jaiyesimi has a history of injuries and has hardly set the world alight in his time at his last few clubs, we shall see if he makes rapid improvements, hope that does happen but I will be surprised if it does. If the medical team carryout examination of their injuries and give a prognosis that either player cannot play at the required level,will there be some insurance compensation going forward? I think that’s how we got Dean Brill.He got compensated on some injury so couldn’t play above the National league..I’m sure there was a case of a player who replayed his compensation to return to the football league |
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Post by dennisrofe on Sept 5, 2024 17:39:01 GMT
If the medical team carryout examination of their injuries and give a prognosis that either player cannot play at the required level,will there be some insurance compensation going forward? I think that’s how we got Dean Brill.He got compensated on some injury so couldn’t play above the National league..I’m sure there was a case of a player who replayed his compensation to return to the football league Yes correct about Dean Brill and you may well be right about this point you raised ''.I’m sure there was a case of a player who replayed his compensation to return to the football league'' |
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Post by mrb on Sept 5, 2024 17:54:53 GMT
I think that’s how we got Dean Brill.He got compensated on some injury so couldn’t play above the National league..I’m sure there was a case of a player who replayed his compensation to return to the football league Yes correct about Dean Brill and you may well be right about this point you raised ''.I’m sure there was a case of a player who replayed his compensation to return to the football league'' Of course I meant repaid not replayed!! |
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Post by Nick312 on Sept 5, 2024 20:57:40 GMT
Understand what you are saying. I’m sure owners understand the passion that comes from supporting a club and sometimes it’s that very (and very welcome) passion that causes such comments to be made. Our own Richie Wellens has done what many think are stupid things and many want to excuse that as passion. With passion comes such incidents. T and T will have seen it all and heard it all before. They are big boys. The alternative is a passionate less, sterile environment. Let’s keep the passion, warts and all. We don't want the warts covering everything do we or passion leading to damn right insults.Lets get it into our heads that we have a football club that does not have millions or even tens of thousands to spend on players and their highly inflated wages.League 1 as the status quo is more than acceptable,league 2 not a total disaster albeit a step backwards where we can rally again. The constant carping drains the soul of the club and all concerned delivering their best for the club do not deserve it by a country mile.Carping has become a window habit. Can anyone honestly see us being more than a League Two/League One size club? 8,000 on a good day, 2,000 with a load of free tickets given to the local schools when there's an irrelevant cup clash. We might have a chance in the League Cup or FACup of a big day out. But how are we ever going to be able to support a larger stadium earning substantially more income to fund bigger and "better" players? I just can't see it. I think we have an exciting little historical club and ground, caring owners, a passionate manager, several locally produced players and wonderfully passionate fans. If (when???) we go down we'll come back up. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 5, 2024 21:18:20 GMT
Understand what you are saying. I’m sure owners understand the passion that comes from supporting a club and sometimes it’s that very (and very welcome) passion that causes such comments to be made. Our own Richie Wellens has done what many think are stupid things and many want to excuse that as passion. With passion comes such incidents. T and T will have seen it all and heard it all before. They are big boys. The alternative is a passionate less, sterile environment. Let’s keep the passion, warts and all. We don't want the warts covering everything do we or passion leading to damn right insults.Lets get it into our heads that we have a football club that does not have millions or even tens of thousands to spend on players and their highly inflated wages.League 1 as the status quo is more than acceptable,league 2 not a total disaster albeit a step backwards where we can rally again. The constant carping drains the soul of the club and all concerned delivering their best for the club do not deserve it by a country mile.Carping has become a window habit. I think you are missing the point redshank. Two things. No matter how well anyone does they are not immune from constructive criticism. Our owners as successful businessmen will be familiar with that. And it’s quite healthy. The alternative is to agree with everything, never criticise and that is unhealthy, suppresses reflection and prevents growth and progress. I think our club and its interaction with fans and fans questions is amazingly open to the concept. Being surrounded by nodding dogs and yes-men is a recipe for disaster. Challenge is important. The second is that whilst sometimes comments are over the top, even unfair, we should recognise that at times passion takes over. It’s a human trait and one that is also healthy but needs a little understanding. Something we are probably all guilty of sometimes in our lives. The alternative is a flat sterile fan base who don’t much care. Who wants that. |
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Post by zimo on Sept 6, 2024 7:30:12 GMT
We don't want the warts covering everything do we or passion leading to damn right insults.Lets get it into our heads that we have a football club that does not have millions or even tens of thousands to spend on players and their highly inflated wages.League 1 as the status quo is more than acceptable,league 2 not a total disaster albeit a step backwards where we can rally again. The constant carping drains the soul of the club and all concerned delivering their best for the club do not deserve it by a country mile.Carping has become a window habit. Can anyone honestly see us being more than a League Two/League One size club? 8,000 on a good day, 2,000 with a load of free tickets given to the local schools when there's an irrelevant cup clash. We might have a chance in the League Cup or FACup of a big day out. But how are we ever going to be able to support a larger stadium earning substantially more income to fund bigger and "better" players? I just can't see it. I think we have an exciting little historical club and ground, caring owners, a passionate manager, several locally produced players and wonderfully passionate fans. If (when???) we go down we'll come back up. I’m sure some Brentford and Brighton fans were saying exactly the same thing not so long ago. It is possible with proper investment and leadership. |
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Post by redintheface on Sept 6, 2024 9:06:02 GMT
Can anyone honestly see us being more than a League Two/League One size club? 8,000 on a good day, 2,000 with a load of free tickets given to the local schools when there's an irrelevant cup clash. We might have a chance in the League Cup or FACup of a big day out. But how are we ever going to be able to support a larger stadium earning substantially more income to fund bigger and "better" players? I just can't see it. I think we have an exciting little historical club and ground, caring owners, a passionate manager, several locally produced players and wonderfully passionate fans. If (when???) we go down we'll come back up. I’m sure some Brentford and Brighton fans were saying exactly the same thing not so long ago. It is possible with proper investment and leadership. Exactly. The “ little Leyton Orient “ mentality that has held us back previously and still resonates. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 6, 2024 9:22:58 GMT
We don't want the warts covering everything do we or passion leading to damn right insults.Lets get it into our heads that we have a football club that does not have millions or even tens of thousands to spend on players and their highly inflated wages.League 1 as the status quo is more than acceptable,league 2 not a total disaster albeit a step backwards where we can rally again. The constant carping drains the soul of the club and all concerned delivering their best for the club do not deserve it by a country mile.Carping has become a window habit. I think you are missing the point redshank. Two things. No matter how well anyone does they are not immune from constructive criticism. Our owners as successful businessmen will be familiar with that. And it’s quite healthy. The alternative is to agree with everything, never criticise and that is unhealthy, suppresses reflection and prevents growth and progress. I think our club and its interaction with fans and fans questions is amazingly open to the concept. Being surrounded by nodding dogs and yes-men is a recipe for disaster. Challenge is important. The second is that whilst sometimes comments are over the top, even unfair, we should recognise that at times passion takes over. It’s a human trait and one that is also healthy but needs a little understanding. Something we are probably all guilty of sometimes in our lives. The alternative is a flat sterile fan base who don’t much care. Who wants that. I am not having that and I stick to my comment.no time at all for constructive insults,quips yes insults no. |
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Post by tommydark on Sept 6, 2024 10:26:57 GMT
I tend to agree with both opinions.
Nodding dogs and yes men have held us back since 1982 but I have marmite views I know.
I like to be satirical in moments things are going a little Ott.
Express views in a respectful manner,does cost anything.
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Post by tommydark on Sept 6, 2024 10:27:36 GMT
I tend to agree with both opinions. Nodding dogs and yes men have held us back since 1982 but I have marmite views I know. I like to be satirical in moments things are going a little Ott. Express views in a respectful manner,doesnt cost anything. |
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Post by tommydark on Sept 6, 2024 10:29:20 GMT
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Post by redshank on Sept 6, 2024 10:49:15 GMT
I tend to agree with both opinions. Nodding dogs and yes men have held us back since 1982 but I have marmite views I know. I like to be satirical in moments things are going a little Ott. Express views in a respectful manner,doesnt cost anything. Especially as we all feel the hurt of our bad start and what we consider the slow progress of getting in better players than those that have left,but the bar was set very high with some of those players. |
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Post by tommydark on Sept 6, 2024 11:15:17 GMT
One thought springs to mind
Let he who is without sin,cast the first stone
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Post by redshank on Sept 6, 2024 11:39:58 GMT
One thought springs to mind Let he who is without sin,cast the first stone Then I am a sinner. |
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Post by tommydark on Sept 6, 2024 12:12:52 GMT
You are the most gracious person on this board redshank!
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Post by Nick312 on Sept 6, 2024 17:22:32 GMT
Can anyone honestly see us being more than a League Two/League One size club? 8,000 on a good day, 2,000 with a load of free tickets given to the local schools when there's an irrelevant cup clash. We might have a chance in the League Cup or FACup of a big day out. But how are we ever going to be able to support a larger stadium earning substantially more income to fund bigger and "better" players? I just can't see it. I think we have an exciting little historical club and ground, caring owners, a passionate manager, several locally produced players and wonderfully passionate fans. If (when???) we go down we'll come back up. I’m sure some Brentford and Brighton fans were saying exactly the same thing not so long ago. It is possible with proper investment and leadership. Good point but wouldn't they be classed as fairly rare exceptions? |
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Post by redshank on Sept 8, 2024 12:29:07 GMT
Also Brentford having a system that paid off handsomely.
A question;Do they have a benefactor?
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Post by buffalobill on Sept 8, 2024 12:32:29 GMT
Also Brentford having a system that paid off handsomely. A question;Do they have a benefactor? Matthew Benham. Sports betting was his background I think. |
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