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Post by osoldest on Sept 4, 2024 11:44:43 GMT
Does anyone think that doneny is better than moncour at this stage, or Perkins is better than piggot.
Or jayaswami is better than forde,
Or Warrington is better than el mazouni
Or Hemings is a better keeper than bryn,
Well I don’t , and that’s how much our side has been weakened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 11:55:50 GMT
Does anyone think that doneny is better than moncour at this stage, or Perkins is better than piggot. Or jayaswami is better than forde, Or Warrington is better than el mazouni Or Hemings is a better keeper than bryn, Well I don’t , and that’s how much our side has been weakened. I don't think anyone can argue that Piggot or Moncur were good value for money. Assuming you mean Jaiyesimi, I think he's better than Forde was at this stage last season. We've barely seen Warrington, some players need a bit of time, and the speed at which El Miz became a top performer for us was a minor miracle. If you've heard anyone say Hemming is better than Brynn then you need to seek help for the voices in your head. You're also cherry picking heavily. Do you think Piggot is better than Kelman? Do you think Edwards is better than Perkins? Do you think having four fullbacks makes us weaker than having three fullbacks? Do you think you're making a point that hasn't been made a hundred times already? Do you think this forum hasn't got incredibly tedious over the past couple of weeks? |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 4, 2024 12:07:53 GMT
Does anyone think that doneny is better than moncour at this stage, or Perkins is better than piggot. Or jayaswami is better than forde, Or Warrington is better than el mazouni Or Hemings is a better keeper than bryn, Well I don’t , and that’s how much our side has been weakened. I don't think anyone can argue that Piggot or Moncur were good value for money. Assuming you mean Jaiyesimi, I think he's better than Forde was at this stage last season. We've barely seen Warrington, some players need a bit of time, and the speed at which El Miz became a top performer for us was a minor miracle. If you've heard anyone say Hemming is better than Brynn then you need to seek help for the voices in your head. You're also cherry picking heavily. Do you think Piggot is better than Kelman? Do you think Edwards is better than Perkins? Do you think having four fullbacks makes us weaker than having three fullbacks? Do you think you're making a point that hasn't been made a hundred times already? Do you think this forum hasn't got incredibly tedious over the past couple of weeks? Great points here. Also, Forde was widely ridiculed on this board when he first started for us but he massively improved. Perhaps thats down to the coach? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 12:26:17 GMT
Forde was widely ridiculed on this board when he first started for us but he massively improved. Perhaps thats down to the coach? Exactly. It's funny how so many threads on this forum descend into memories of the minutiae of games that took place 60/70 years ago yet so few seem able to remember just last season. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 12:48:29 GMT
I suspect the comparison is between Kelman and Sotiriou. I sincerely hope he turns out to be an upgrade. Pigott and Perkins as second string too is a fair comparison.
Comfortable with DJ, in fact I quite like him, though he still looks a tad unfit. At this stage he is ahead of Forde who started off poorly.
But overall balancing players out to players in we are definitely not stronger at the moment. Especially in midfield. We wait and see if that remains the case come Christmas. Again I sincerely hope we see the benefits of a good coaching set up at the club.
We have what we have. Down to Richie and his team to work their magic and create a cohesive squad from what we have. It ain’t going to change anytime soon. I wonder how many fans will be reminiscing about this group in 50/60 years time.
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Post by osoldest on Sept 4, 2024 13:18:06 GMT
Dubious, firstly if I think the forum is getting tedious it’s only because people like you try to be smart in their responses.
You are entitled to your opinion , as I am. So don’t start being rude and talking about voices in my head.
Anyway , kellman was as pointed out a replacement for sotirou, and as we are still paying a chunk of both Moncours and piggotts wages , added to what we are paying for the replacements we are no better off. Edwards was dire but he only featured for a few games , another loan disaster.
Of course having 4 full backs is better than two because of the likelihood of injuries or suspensions, but it’s not about numbers it’s about quality, we can only play two.
Can’t fault Clare , and while the new kid looked ok for 45 min, he was responsible for the goal and was being roasted for pace time and time again. Will he come good, I hope so, but are either an improvement on hunt.?
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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 13:25:58 GMT
Dubious, firstly if I think the forum is getting tedious it’s only because people like you try to be smart in their responses. You are entitled to your opinion , as I am. So don’t start being rude and talking about voices in my head. Anyway , kellman was as pointed out a replacement for sotirou, and as we are still paying a chunk of both Moncours and piggotts wages , added to what we are paying for the replacements we are no better off. Edwards was dire but he only featured for a few games , another loan disaster. Of course having 4 full backs is better than two because of the likelihood of injuries or suspensions, but it’s not about numbers it’s about quality, we can only play two. Can’t fault Clare , and while the new kid looked ok for 45 min, he was responsible for the goal and was being roasted for pace time and time again. Will he come good, I hope so, but are either an improvement on hunt.? I really hope Clare proves to be a good player for us. He has the potential. Currie was ok in patches, his pace looks suspect, especially if RW wants him to get forward a lot. Caprice got a lot of flack, decent going forward but slow to get back. But I think an improvement over Sweeney. Don’t know how much game time he’s had this season, got the shed the ring rust. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 4, 2024 14:07:10 GMT
Or Hearn is better than Nigel and Kent.
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Post by watfordo on Sept 4, 2024 14:10:46 GMT
Or Hearn is better than Nigel and Kent. I place Hearn and Bechetti on the same platform. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 4, 2024 14:22:48 GMT
We need to ease up a little,Nigel and Kent carry the debt which no doubt grows daily.I don't think there would be many in the que waiting to buy the club.
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Post by redintheface on Sept 4, 2024 14:25:16 GMT
Dubious, firstly if I think the forum is getting tedious it’s only because people like you try to be smart in their responses. You are entitled to your opinion , as I am. So don’t start being rude and talking about voices in my head. Anyway , kellman was as pointed out a replacement for sotirou, and as we are still paying a chunk of both Moncours and piggotts wages , added to what we are paying for the replacements we are no better off. Edwards was dire but he only featured for a few games , another loan disaster. Of course having 4 full backs is better than two because of the likelihood of injuries or suspensions, but it’s not about numbers it’s about quality, we can only play two. Can’t fault Clare , and while the new kid looked ok for 45 min, he was responsible for the goal and was being roasted for pace time and time again. Will he come good, I hope so, but are either an improvement on hunt.? I really hope Clare proves to be a good player for us. He has the potential. Currie was ok in patches, his pace looks suspect, especially if RW wants him to get forward a lot. Caprice got a lot of flack, decent going forward but slow to get back. But I think an improvement over Sweeney. Don’t know how much game time he’s had this season, got the shed the ring rust. Too early to tell in respect of Currie . Yes, he looked slow last night but that was because he was up against a genuine speed merchant. I have my doubts that Sweeney would have fared any better. Going forward I thought he looked bright and positive on most occasions. I’d need to see him again prior to arriving at a firm conclusion. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 4, 2024 14:25:31 GMT
We need to ease up a little,Nigel and Kent carry the debt which no doubt grows daily.I don't think there would be many in the que waiting to buy the club. 100% this. A few bumps in the road is nothing. |
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Post by Thor on Sept 4, 2024 15:31:41 GMT
I don't think anyone can argue that Piggot or Moncur were good value for money. Assuming you mean Jaiyesimi, I think he's better than Forde was at this stage last season. We've barely seen Warrington, some players need a bit of time, and the speed at which El Miz became a top performer for us was a minor miracle. If you've heard anyone say Hemming is better than Brynn then you need to seek help for the voices in your head. You're also cherry picking heavily. Do you think Piggot is better than Kelman? Do you think Edwards is better than Perkins? Do you think having four fullbacks makes us weaker than having three fullbacks? Do you think you're making a point that hasn't been made a hundred times already? Do you think this forum hasn't got incredibly tedious over the past couple of weeks? Great points here. Also, Forde was widely ridiculed on this board when he first started for us but he massively improved. Perhaps thats down to the coach? absolutley his improvement was down to the coaching team and the lads willingness and attitude to learn, that’s a massive part of his development too. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 4, 2024 15:36:00 GMT
Great points here. Also, Forde was widely ridiculed on this board when he first started for us but he massively improved. Perhaps thats down to the coach? absolutley his improvement was down to the coaching team and the lads willingness and attitude to learn, that’s a massive part of his development too. I quite agree,I had a good opinion of him from the first game,what impressed was he was always in a position to help the attack despite being hustled off the ball for a while. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 18:03:15 GMT
We need to ease up a little,Nigel and Kent carry the debt which no doubt grows daily.I don't think there would be many in the que waiting to buy the club. Thing is redshank, I’ve never known so much praise and respect given to football club owners, certainly not in my time at Orient for damn sure, than that given to Travis and Teague. And well deserved it is too. Amazing job they have done and continue to do. No question. Appreciated fully. But like all things in life, and that without doubt will apply in their business lives too, no matter how well they do and for how long it does not make them immune to criticism on occasions. Some applies to managers, players, fans. In fact all of us. In truth it’s no big deal and it’s healthy. It would be a poor day if the fan base was so disinterested it couldn’t be bothered to comment at all. In fact in Nigel’s book, he welcomes push back. Welcomes people with minds of their own rather than being simple followers who just hang on every word they say. |
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Post by redintheface on Sept 4, 2024 18:23:05 GMT
We need to ease up a little,Nigel and Kent carry the debt which no doubt grows daily.I don't think there would be many in the que waiting to buy the club. Thing is redshank, I’ve never known so much praise and respect given to football club owners, certainly not in my time at Orient for damn sure, than that given to Travis and Teague. And well deserved it is too. Amazing job they have done and continue to do. No question. Appreciated fully. But like all things in life, and that without doubt will apply in their business lives too, no matter how well they do and for how long it does not make them immune to criticism on occasions. Some applies to managers, players, fans. In fact all of us. In truth it’s no big deal and it’s healthy. It would be a poor day if the fan base was so disinterested it couldn’t be bothered to comment at all. In fact in Nigel’s book, he welcomes push back. Welcomes people with minds of their own rather than being simple followers who just hang on every word they say. Spot on doh. Travis and Teague deserve the thanks and respect of all O’s fans for what they have done and continue to do but ultimately they remain answerable to those same fans and I’m sure they recognise that. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 4, 2024 18:28:26 GMT
Thing is redshank, I’ve never known so much praise and respect given to football club owners, certainly not in my time at Orient for damn sure, than that given to Travis and Teague. And well deserved it is too. Amazing job they have done and continue to do. No question. Appreciated fully. But like all things in life, and that without doubt will apply in their business lives too, no matter how well they do and for how long it does not make them immune to criticism on occasions. Some applies to managers, players, fans. In fact all of us. In truth it’s no big deal and it’s healthy. It would be a poor day if the fan base was so disinterested it couldn’t be bothered to comment at all. In fact in Nigel’s book, he welcomes push back. Welcomes people with minds of their own rather than being simple followers who just hang on every word they say. Spot on doh. Travis and Teague deserve the thanks and respect of all O’s fans for what they have done and continue to do but ultimately they remain answerable to those same fans and I’m sure they recognise that. Not sure anyone is arguing any differently. Calling Nigel ‘shameful’ is the sort of comment I’ll repeatedly call put for being massively crass. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 4, 2024 19:24:08 GMT
Spot on doh. Travis and Teague deserve the thanks and respect of all O’s fans for what they have done and continue to do but ultimately they remain answerable to those same fans and I’m sure they recognise that. Not sure anyone is arguing any differently. Calling Nigel ‘shameful’ is the sort of comment I’ll repeatedly call put for being massively crass. Understand what you are saying. I’m sure owners understand the passion that comes from supporting a club and sometimes it’s that very (and very welcome) passion that causes such comments to be made. Our own Richie Wellens has done what many think are stupid things and many want to excuse that as passion. With passion comes such incidents. T and T will have seen it all and heard it all before. They are big boys. The alternative is a passionate less, sterile environment. Let’s keep the passion, warts and all. |
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Post by Nick312 on Sept 4, 2024 21:54:38 GMT
I suspect the comparison is between Kelman and Sotiriou. I sincerely hope he turns out to be an upgrade. Pigott and Perkins as second string too is a fair comparison. Comfortable with DJ, in fact I quite like him, though he still looks a tad unfit. At this stage he is ahead of Forde who started off poorly. But overall balancing players out to players in we are definitely not stronger at the moment. Especially in midfield. We wait and see if that remains the case come Christmas. Again I sincerely hope we see the benefits of a good coaching set up at the club. We have what we have. Down to Richie and his team to work their magic and create a cohesive squad from what we have. It ain’t going to change anytime soon. I wonder how many fans will be reminiscing about this group in 50/60 years time. Really good points here, and very positive too, especially the third paragraph. I also wonder what the effect of Pratley's lessening effect in midfield is. He's hardly playing now. Beckles has lost his gloss as he gets older and Tom James seems to be being elbowed out. On the coaching side, I really do think that Richie interferes far too much with the players' actions during matches. I've also noticed that he throws in the towel towards the ends of matches and sits down looking rather depressed. I wonder if a number of fans have been to expectant of what we can do this year. We had a golden run last season and that was responsible for our high position. Second season now and we've been played by most of the teams in this league twice. They'll have had their video sessions and quality coaches/scouts will have sussed our players and tactics. Avoiding relegation is beginning to look like an aim. |
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Post by Nick312 on Sept 4, 2024 21:57:58 GMT
We need to ease up a little,Nigel and Kent carry the debt which no doubt grows daily.I don't think there would be many in the que waiting to buy the club. 100% this. A few bumps in the road is nothing. Absolutely. And four league games is not a long road. What will the forum look like if we put back to back wins together and climb over four teams? |
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