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Post by eca on Oct 27, 2024 4:02:31 GMT
I would not consider Currie as slow in fact on line he appears athletic and energetic and he will be a higher grade than league 1 eventually
Thinking on the lofc, it’s all rather perplexing and at times depressing as
1. We have an excellent technical manager that achieved promotion with us
2. Generally the majority of players are more than adequate to produce a reasonable amounts of wins and draws.
Then we come to the question what actually is the prime reason that we are not achieving an adequate points return.
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Post by Thor on Oct 27, 2024 7:04:15 GMT
I would not consider Currie as slow in fact on line he appears athletic and energetic and he will be a higher grade than league 1 eventually Thinking on the lofc, it’s all rather perplexing and at times depressing as 1. We have an excellent technical manager that achieved promotion with us 2. Generally the majority of players are more than adequate to produce a reasonable amounts of wins and draws. Then we come to the question what actually is the prime reason that we are not achieving an adequate points return. We lack a striker. Prior to yesterday they were third and we were down the bottom somewhere. They had actually conceded more goals than we had. However, their goals for column was over twice ours. That’s our problem right there. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 27, 2024 7:14:45 GMT
“ Smaller teams”? From the tone of the interview I would have said it appeared RW feels Wycombe are substantially better resourced and financed than us. Smaller teams an example of attitude, rather than us being a smaller team. We were underdogs but definitely good enough to get a draw if we pulled together. The performance was poor, one of too many. Similar to Shrewsbury and they definitely don’t have a big budget and the second half against Northampton. I see an attitude issue, a depth issue and not quality issue of the core players. Do you see a “ motivation” issue? |
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Post by kaishowing on Oct 27, 2024 8:12:19 GMT
I think 'motivation' and 'mindset' are different things.
Our mindset has far too often been looking through the bleak lens...'The Orient Way is the Hard Way' has become ingrained not only in us as supporters, but the squad at a core level.
We have flashes of play when we shine, but it's too far and few between.
Nothing against RW, but I've not seen such a self-belief in the squad since Justin was at the helm.
Really hard thing to change the attitude of a dressing room when in a downward spiral, but winning is a habit, and so is losing.
Unless someone can jump in soon and nip this before anything is salvageable I can easily see us being here towards the back end of the season and having to claw our way out of the drop zone.
Fingers crossed it happens soon.
'It's the hope that hurts!'
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 27, 2024 9:53:39 GMT
I sense cracks are appearing. I don't see that nor did I hear that. When it comes to Leyton Orient, you are the eternal optimist ! |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 27, 2024 9:56:57 GMT
Today wasn’t about money, experience or quality. It as about desire and passion. We see it time and again, smaller teams raising their game and competing against the odds. Busting a gut, fighting for every ball. We may have been the underdogs but we are a professional league 1 team like our opponents. And we had plenty of experience out there Losing 3-0 hurt but a defeat was expected. But the effort, belief. Fight. Just not there. The issue is not the quality but the motivation and that has been lacking for some time. The issues are behind the scenes. What can you really expect from a team comprised of players who will probably not be here next season and too many loan players who are not going to give 100%. |
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Post by Nick312 on Oct 27, 2024 9:58:44 GMT
I sense cracks are appearing. I sensed this a little while back, and they're widening. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 27, 2024 10:00:35 GMT
I would not consider Currie as slow in fact on line he appears athletic and energetic and he will be a higher grade than league 1 eventually Thinking on the lofc, it’s all rather perplexing and at times depressing as 1. We have an excellent technical manager that achieved promotion with us 2. Generally the majority of players are more than adequate to produce a reasonable amounts of wins and draws. Then we come to the question what actually is the prime reason that we are not achieving an adequate points return. We lack a striker. Prior to yesterday they were third and we were down the bottom somewhere. They had actually conceded more goals than we had. However, their goals for column was over twice ours. That’s our problem right there. A good centre forward has been lacking for over 3 years, coupled with that, our top scorer from last season has not been replaced. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 27, 2024 10:04:10 GMT
Transfer business was diabolical. I’ve yet to see any of our keepers make a save worthy of the name. Only Clare and curry are remotely decent. No real pace in the side and not one real out and out striker. As said , letting piggott and moncour leave and still paying half their wages is laughable. Both kellman and ogyei need a big front man to play off. On what I’ve seen I would try Simpson in front of the back 4. I just don’t see what ball adds to the team , at his best he retains possession and passes to the nearest player, no pace, no energy and playing him in preference to Sweeney was a big mistake. I Well playing Simpson in that position could be worth trying out, why not, nothing much to lose is there. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 27, 2024 10:06:27 GMT
We lack a striker. Prior to yesterday they were third and we were down the bottom somewhere. They had actually conceded more goals than we had. However, their goals for column was over twice ours. That’s our problem right there. A good centre forward has been lacking for over 3 years, coupled with that, our top scorer from last season has not been replaced. Unfortunately RW’s faith in Kelman seems to have been misplaced. Agyei is a pale imitation of his previous self and Perkins - on the rare occasions he gets on the field- has shown next to nothing. A pretty bleak picture Den!😟☕️ |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 27, 2024 10:06:55 GMT
Transfer business was diabolical. I’ve yet to see any of our keepers make a save worthy of the name. Only Clare and curry are remotely decent. No real pace in the side and not one real out and out striker. As said , letting piggott and moncour leave and still paying half their wages is laughable. Both kellman and ogyei need a big front man to play off. On what I’ve seen I would try Simpson in front of the back 4. I just don’t see what ball adds to the team , at his best he retains possession and passes to the nearest player, no pace, no energy and playing him in preference to Sweeney was a big mistake. I Well playing Simpson in that position could be worth trying out, why not, nothing much to lose is there. Simpson is “ injured” according to RW yesterday. |
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Post by eca on Oct 27, 2024 10:34:44 GMT
Don’t worry about football anymore
When the sun life ends it will expand and then contract to a radius of about 3km
The sun will become a black hole
The earth wii of died before this occurs
Thinking of been sucked into a black hole allows me to cope with our poor form
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 27, 2024 10:36:59 GMT
A good centre forward has been lacking for over 3 years, coupled with that, our top scorer from last season has not been replaced. Unfortunately RW’s faith in Kelman seems to have been misplaced. Agyei is a pale imitation of his previous self and Perkins - on the rare occasions he gets on the field- has shown next to nothing. A pretty bleak picture Den!😟☕️ We are much of the same mind when it comes to Leyton Orient. When I was a manager of my own team, one of my strong points was being able to change the team formations to suit the teams we were going to play plus to get the best out of the the players I had available. Plus myself and friend who was also my captain used to discuss the best positions for players and think outside of the box by sometimes playing them in different positions with often very good results. I dont see anything in Richie to suggest he could do anything to change things around for the better. His stubborn insistence of keeping faith with Kelman is puzzling to say the least. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 27, 2024 10:37:45 GMT
Don’t worry about football anymore When the sun life ends it will expand and then contract to a radius of about 3km The sun will become a black hole The earth wii of died before this occurs Thinking of been sucked into a black hole allows me to cope with our poor form OMG, that is a bit over the top ! |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 27, 2024 10:38:53 GMT
Well playing Simpson in that position could be worth trying out, why not, nothing much to lose is there. Simpson is “ injured” according to RW yesterday. OK but what about when he does get fit ? |
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Post by redshank on Oct 27, 2024 11:46:48 GMT
Today wasn’t about money, experience or quality. It as about desire and passion. We see it time and again, smaller teams raising their game and competing against the odds. Busting a gut, fighting for every ball. We may have been the underdogs but we are a professional league 1 team like our opponents. And we had plenty of experience out there Losing 3-0 hurt but a defeat was expected. But the effort, belief. Fight. Just not there. The issue is not the quality but the motivation and that has been lacking for some time. The issues are behind the scenes. What can you really expect from a team comprised of players who will probably not be here next season and too many loan players who are not going to give 100%. Now this is a point I can agree with,but usually the slow down in play and lack of inspiration does not set in until late february.Those that are going back to their own club you can understand,but players fighting for a contract extension or wanting more money at another club lower their stock by lack of spirit and form. What a curse to the club this constant turnover of players is. |
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Post by ramblingman on Oct 27, 2024 12:20:10 GMT
I'm struggling.
By common agreement, the same squad (minus Ball and Currie) could have taken points off Birmingham, Bolton and Charlton but for some poor goalkeeping. Richie's take on those games was that we had played well and been unlucky against superior opposition.
By the way, this was at odds with his previous line that we should be more positive and stop thinking of ourselves as 'little Leyton Orient'. On that point he seems to have changed his mind.
We then failed to turn up at Shrewsbury, perhaps having gained the impression that if we were good enough to compete with the top teams we probably only needed to coast to three points against the Shrews.
After those opening four games we then hit mid table form. There was a decent win at Reading and a great one at Stockport.
We got to the third round of the League Cup for the first time in years, pulverising a team from the league below us - as you would expect - and beating a Championship team away from home.
Subsequently Richie's pronouncements about the quality of the squad and the some of the performances of the eleven he has selected have turned negative. Performances have indeed dropped away.
Richie himself has been associated with three previous relegations from League One- Oldham who he failed to save, and Swindon and Doncaster who he left the season they were relegated. He probably feels under pressure. If he is relegated from League One for the fourth time in five seasons his name will not be mentioned next time the Blackpool job becomes vacant.
This is not the strongest squad we have ever had but in my opinion it does not deserve the slating it is getting. Mr Wellens, proven to be a half decent lower league manager, is no doubt doing his best but seems to be in a very unhappy place.
As supporters all we do, again, is go and cheer for the team. Things are neither as bad as some people are making out or as good as they once were. It is not a matter of, is it the players or is it the manager? (Or, bizarrely, is it the board - the people who have saved the club, invested millions and given us two titles?) The players and the manager don't seem to be helping each other at the moment. Let's hope they can sort it out.
Up the O's!!
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Post by redintheface on Oct 27, 2024 12:48:06 GMT
Simpson is “ injured” according to RW yesterday. OK but what about when he does get fit ? Maybe den but personally I would tend to build on the one area of strength that we currently have ( imho) that being at centre back . Perm any 3 from 4 out of Beckles, Cooper , Happe & Simpson - go to 5 at the back system utilising James & Currie as the two wing backs to push up high whenever possible. Ball & Brown to break up the opposition in central midfield and Galbraith given free rein in an attacking role. In the continued absence of Archibald and fitness issues re Graham put O’Neill or Donley in for an extended run with Agyei up top . It will be more difficult to beat I think and let’s face it, our attack can hardly be more blunt than it already is can it?🤔👍 |
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Post by redshank on Oct 27, 2024 13:35:54 GMT
Don’t worry about football anymore When the sun life ends it will expand and then contract to a radius of about 3km The sun will become a black hole The earth wii of died before this occurs Thinking of been sucked into a black hole allows me to cope with our poor form I had a laugh with a chiropodist years back,she said she was worried about a programme she saw saying what would happen to the Earth in 20 billion years time.Then she thought what am I worrying about that for.My brother had a saying,what will it all matter a 100 years hence. |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 27, 2024 13:55:20 GMT
A good centre forward has been lacking for over 3 years, coupled with that, our top scorer from last season has not been replaced. Unfortunately RW’s faith in Kelman seems to have been misplaced. Agyei is a pale imitation of his previous self and Perkins - on the rare occasions he gets on the field- has shown next to nothing. A pretty bleak picture Den!😟☕️ Our style of play does not suit having even a half decent player in the number 9 role. Smith, Drinan, Pigott, Kelman, Agyie, loans. No point in getting one then stifling any chance they have to perform. Some of those have decent records in that role. Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line. |
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