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Post by redintheface on Oct 27, 2024 13:59:57 GMT
Unfortunately RW’s faith in Kelman seems to have been misplaced. Agyei is a pale imitation of his previous self and Perkins - on the rare occasions he gets on the field- has shown next to nothing. A pretty bleak picture Den!😟☕️ Our style of play does not suit having even a half decent player in the number 9 role. Smith, Drinan, Pigott, Kelman, Agyie, loans. No point in getting one then stifling any chance they have to perform. Some of those have decent records in that role. Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line. I will repeat what I said yesterday doh. I watched Lee Gregory play for Mansfield yesterday. He’s 36 and was playing in a side that was basically outclassed by the opposition. He never stopped running, harrying , chasing. His ability to lead the line was clear for all to see. He scored an excellent free kick and he looked hungry for goals. Get the right player in and it could change a great deal.👍 |
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Post by Thor on Oct 27, 2024 18:59:05 GMT
Our style of play does not suit having even a half decent player in the number 9 role. Smith, Drinan, Pigott, Kelman, Agyie, loans. No point in getting one then stifling any chance they have to perform. Some of those have decent records in that role. Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line. I will repeat what I said yesterday doh. I watched Lee Gregory play for Mansfield yesterday. He’s 36 and was playing in a side that was basically outclassed by the opposition. He never stopped running, harrying , chasing. His ability to lead the line was clear for all to see. He scored an excellent free kick and he looked hungry for goals. Get the right player in and it could change a great deal.👍 who was the striker you mentioned who is a free agent? I recall he was decent, but can't recall his name. |
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Post by dohnut on Oct 27, 2024 23:13:57 GMT
Our style of play does not suit having even a half decent player in the number 9 role. Smith, Drinan, Pigott, Kelman, Agyie, loans. No point in getting one then stifling any chance they have to perform. Some of those have decent records in that role. Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line. I will repeat what I said yesterday doh. I watched Lee Gregory play for Mansfield yesterday. He’s 36 and was playing in a side that was basically outclassed by the opposition. He never stopped running, harrying , chasing. His ability to lead the line was clear for all to see. He scored an excellent free kick and he looked hungry for goals. Get the right player in and it could change a great deal.👍 I was switching games, keeping tabs on Ruel and Shaq, though saw lots of the action luckily from both. I thought the Mansfield goal was more down to a poor defensive wall than a great strike. Mansfield, despite getting a small share of the ball, always looked willing to go forward with pace. And created problems. We don’t. I found their style of play a mix of dogged defending and energetic fast breaks when the opportunity arose. Good to watch. |
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Post by grampus on Oct 27, 2024 23:31:57 GMT
I would not consider Currie as slow in fact on line he appears athletic and energetic and he will be a higher grade than league 1 eventually Thinking on the lofc, it’s all rather perplexing and at times depressing as 1. We have an excellent technical manager that achieved promotion with us 2. Generally the majority of players are more than adequate to produce a reasonable amounts of wins and draws. Then we come to the question what actually is the prime reason that we are not achieving an adequate points return. He's definitely energetic and put in a good shift. And was one of out better players on a poor day all round but his pace, or lack of it is his weakness IMO. That said, he would be fine in a team that had other pacy players but we have no one who is lightening quick. Our forwards are lightweight and have no physical presence either. Agyei has skill but is not a team player and Kelman offers nothing whatsoever. This current team would struggle in league 2. They are dross. Boring to watch and full of mistakes. Its frustrating as we all want them to do well, but we have regressed massively and could follow Carlisle at this rate. The only 2 players to come out of this season with credit so far for me: Galbraith and Clare (since his midfield switch). |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 28, 2024 7:54:14 GMT
who was the striker you mentioned who is a free agent? I recall he was decent, but can't recall his name. Martyn Waghorn. There are others. |
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Post by watfordo on Oct 28, 2024 8:11:44 GMT
I love our possession based football but we need the ‘x’ factor to create space. Man City have it. We havent since Smyth. Thought Jordan Graham got close but he is coming back from injury so we have to be patient.
That said, under Richie, we have never created enough for an average striker. They feed off scraps, look terrible doing it, then the confidence goes. Its an often repeated pattern, as we have seen. That has worked when we spread goals around but they have dried up too so now the striker is under the spotlight.
I didnt want Kelman back. Lets be fair, he looked good for the first few games but now he has reverted back to the Kelman we knew before and I think thats the pattern I mentioned earlier.
We miss Ruel. His bustling style coming off the bench gave us an option and a different set of problems for the opposition. We miss Forde too for similar reasons.
Unlike some, I think our squad is fine but our tactics have been examined and the weaknesses are being exploited. Once we go a goal down, the team know its probably game over. Subs only seem to make matters worse. Its up to the management to solve that but that wont happen short term.
We are in for a bumpy ride. Time for us as fans to realise that and get behind the team. We have had a good few years. Now they need us.
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Post by alfresco on Oct 28, 2024 8:29:31 GMT
I'm behind the team 100%, but I still think it's nailed on, we'll be relegated next May, simply because I believe there isn't 4 worse teams than us.
I don't believe tinkering with the line up etc, will make any difference, the cold hard fact is the players are just not good enough.
It appears the club is brassic, so I'm not expecting any major signings in January
Before a ball was kicked in early August I forecast relegation, with less than 40 points being achieved, & nothing I've seen changes my mind 3 months on.
I also believe, if new investors aren't found, we could do a Forest Green, and slip out of the league again, because the current squad aren't good enough for league 2.
I fully expect hard times ahead, but I'm 100% behind my team and always will be
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 28, 2024 9:08:37 GMT
OK but what about when he does get fit ? Maybe den but personally I would tend to build on the one area of strength that we currently have ( imho) that being at centre back . Perm any 3 from 4 out of Beckles, Cooper , Happe & Simpson - go to 5 at the back system utilising James & Currie as the two wing backs to push up high whenever possible. Ball & Brown to break up the opposition in central midfield and Galbraith given free rein in an attacking role. In the continued absence of Archibald and fitness issues re Graham put O’Neill or Donley in for an extended run with Agyei up top . It will be more difficult to beat I think and let’s face it, our attack can hardly be more blunt than it already is can it?🤔👍 Sounds like you want to be going back to something like the KJ way of setting up a team. Problem is we do not have anyone like Smith and Drinan to spearhead the attack ? |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 28, 2024 9:12:02 GMT
I would not consider Currie as slow in fact on line he appears athletic and energetic and he will be a higher grade than league 1 eventually Thinking on the lofc, it’s all rather perplexing and at times depressing as 1. We have an excellent technical manager that achieved promotion with us 2. Generally the majority of players are more than adequate to produce a reasonable amounts of wins and draws. Then we come to the question what actually is the prime reason that we are not achieving an adequate points return. He's definitely energetic and put in a good shift. And was one of out better players on a poor day all round but his pace, or lack of it is his weakness IMO. That said, he would be fine in a team that had other pacy players but we have no one who is lightening quick. Our forwards are lightweight and have no physical presence either. Agyei has skill but is not a team player and Kelman offers nothing whatsoever. This current team would struggle in league 2. They are dross. Boring to watch and full of mistakes. Its frustrating as we all want them to do well, but we have regressed massively and could follow Carlisle at this rate. The only 2 players to come out of this season with credit so far for me: Galbraith and Clare (since his midfield switch). ''This current team would struggle in league 2'' Well sad to say but you could well be right there ? |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 28, 2024 9:18:39 GMT
I'm behind the team 100%, but I still think it's nailed on, we'll be relegated next May, simply because I believe there isn't 4 worse teams than us. I don't believe tinkering with the line up etc, will make any difference, the cold hard fact is the players are just not good enough. It appears the club is brassic, so I'm not expecting any major signings in January Before a ball was kicked in early August I forecast relegation, with less than 40 points being achieved, & nothing I've seen changes my mind 3 months on. I also believe, if new investors aren't found, we could do a Forest Green, and slip out of the league again, because the current squad aren't good enough for league 2. I fully expect hard times ahead, but I'm 100% behind my team and always will be ''we could do a Forest Green, and slip out of the league again'' I also thought we were in for a relegation struggle this season and at the same time eternal optimist Thor along with others were forecasting a top six place, well we shall see.
As to following Forest Green into the National League, well really hope not but anything is possible in football,. Without a doubt this club needs more investment to come in otherwise we are destined for seasons of struggle.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 28, 2024 9:24:49 GMT
Unfortunately RW’s faith in Kelman seems to have been misplaced. Agyei is a pale imitation of his previous self and Perkins - on the rare occasions he gets on the field- has shown next to nothing. A pretty bleak picture Den!😟☕️ Our style of play does not suit having even a half decent player in the number 9 role. Smith, Drinan, Pigott, Kelman, Agyie, loans. No point in getting one then stifling any chance they have to perform. Some of those have decent records in that role. Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line. ''Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line'' I put that partly down to Richie's style of playing. Must make the one player up front so frustrated at being starved of the ball while expected to put so much into the game, running and putting defenders under pressure etc.
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Post by dohnut on Oct 28, 2024 9:49:32 GMT
Our style of play does not suit having even a half decent player in the number 9 role. Smith, Drinan, Pigott, Kelman, Agyie, loans. No point in getting one then stifling any chance they have to perform. Some of those have decent records in that role. Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line. ''Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line'' I put that partly down to Richie's style of playing. Must make the one player up front so frustrated at being starved of the ball while expected to put so much into the game, running and putting defenders under pressure etc.
The suggestion put to Richie of having two up front was largely dismissed. He said we have 3 up front. Except we don’t and we all see that. We use a single striker with a couple out wider. Billy no mates in the middle and who is also expected to run around like a blue arsed fly. Thankless task. And it shows in performances, both Kelman and now Agyie looking well below what they could be. One up front, well marked. Are we trying to destroy a players confidence. Maybe I’m old school, probably, but I like strikers playing in pairs. Maybe Kelman and Agyie as a front two feeding off each other. A 3-5-2 formation with James and Currie offering width. Creative(ish) players sharing the middle 3 of the 5. Galbraith, ONeill, Ball, Graham, Brown, Pratley, etc rotating, keeping fresh, Can’t be worse than now. Don’t know. What I do know is our system with the players we have ain’t working now. |
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Post by redintheface on Oct 28, 2024 10:29:36 GMT
Maybe den but personally I would tend to build on the one area of strength that we currently have ( imho) that being at centre back . Perm any 3 from 4 out of Beckles, Cooper , Happe & Simpson - go to 5 at the back system utilising James & Currie as the two wing backs to push up high whenever possible. Ball & Brown to break up the opposition in central midfield and Galbraith given free rein in an attacking role. In the continued absence of Archibald and fitness issues re Graham put O’Neill or Donley in for an extended run with Agyei up top . It will be more difficult to beat I think and let’s face it, our attack can hardly be more blunt than it already is can it?🤔👍 Sounds like you want to be going back to something like the KJ way of setting up a team. Problem is we do not have anyone like Smith and Drinan to spearhead the attack ? I think the most important short term requirement is to make us more difficult to beat utilising the players we have and hopefully get a few more points on the board. Plans to change things up front personnel wise will have to wait until January, especially if the club can’t/ won’t dip into free agency in the interim.👍 |
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Post by Thor on Oct 28, 2024 12:11:19 GMT
I love our possession based football but we need the ‘x’ factor to create space. Man City have it. We havent since Smyth. Thought Jordan Graham got close but he is coming back from injury so we have to be patient. That said, under Richie, we have never created enough for an average striker. They feed off scraps, look terrible doing it, then the confidence goes. Its an often repeated pattern, as we have seen. That has worked when we spread goals around but they have dried up too so now the striker is under the spotlight. I didnt want Kelman back. Lets be fair, he looked good for the first few games but now he has reverted back to the Kelman we knew before and I think thats the pattern I mentioned earlier. We miss Ruel. His bustling style coming off the bench gave us an option and a different set of problems for the opposition. We miss Forde too for similar reasons. Unlike some, I think our squad is fine but our tactics have been examined and the weaknesses are being exploited. Once we go a goal down, the team know its probably game over. Subs only seem to make matters worse. Its up to the management to solve that but that wont happen short term. We are in for a bumpy ride. Time for us as fans to realise that and get behind the team. We have had a good few years. Now they need us. Welcome back Watfordo I’ve missed your posts. The one above is bang on the money, we need to get behind the team and support them. Richie will sort it out and we will come good again. |
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Post by Thor on Oct 28, 2024 12:12:07 GMT
I'm behind the team 100%, but I still think it's nailed on, we'll be relegated next May, simply because I believe there isn't 4 worse teams than us. I don't believe tinkering with the line up etc, will make any difference, the cold hard fact is the players are just not good enough. It appears the club is brassic, so I'm not expecting any major signings in January Before a ball was kicked in early August I forecast relegation, with less than 40 points being achieved, & nothing I've seen changes my mind 3 months on. I also believe, if new investors aren't found, we could do a Forest Green, and slip out of the league again, because the current squad aren't good enough for league 2. I fully expect hard times ahead, but I'm 100% behind my team and always will be There are more than 4 teams worse than us. We are not going down. |
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Post by redshank on Oct 28, 2024 12:18:05 GMT
I love our possession based football but we need the ‘x’ factor to create space. Man City have it. We havent since Smyth. Thought Jordan Graham got close but he is coming back from injury so we have to be patient. That said, under Richie, we have never created enough for an average striker. They feed off scraps, look terrible doing it, then the confidence goes. Its an often repeated pattern, as we have seen. That has worked when we spread goals around but they have dried up too so now the striker is under the spotlight. I didnt want Kelman back. Lets be fair, he looked good for the first few games but now he has reverted back to the Kelman we knew before and I think thats the pattern I mentioned earlier. We miss Ruel. His bustling style coming off the bench gave us an option and a different set of problems for the opposition. We miss Forde too for similar reasons. Unlike some, I think our squad is fine but our tactics have been examined and the weaknesses are being exploited. Once we go a goal down, the team know its probably game over. Subs only seem to make matters worse. Its up to the management to solve that but that wont happen short term. We are in for a bumpy ride. Time for us as fans to realise that and get behind the team. We have had a good few years. Now they need us. Welcome back Watfordo I’ve missed your posts. The one above is bang on the money, we need to get behind the team and support them. Richie will sort it out and we will come good again. Agree with both,Difficult to get behind the team as in general we are a very quiet crowd,When we scored we upped the ante with the vocal support and at last it felt like a home game. |
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Post by watfordo on Oct 28, 2024 12:59:12 GMT
I love our possession based football but we need the ‘x’ factor to create space. Man City have it. We havent since Smyth. Thought Jordan Graham got close but he is coming back from injury so we have to be patient. That said, under Richie, we have never created enough for an average striker. They feed off scraps, look terrible doing it, then the confidence goes. Its an often repeated pattern, as we have seen. That has worked when we spread goals around but they have dried up too so now the striker is under the spotlight. I didnt want Kelman back. Lets be fair, he looked good for the first few games but now he has reverted back to the Kelman we knew before and I think thats the pattern I mentioned earlier. We miss Ruel. His bustling style coming off the bench gave us an option and a different set of problems for the opposition. We miss Forde too for similar reasons. Unlike some, I think our squad is fine but our tactics have been examined and the weaknesses are being exploited. Once we go a goal down, the team know its probably game over. Subs only seem to make matters worse. Its up to the management to solve that but that wont happen short term. We are in for a bumpy ride. Time for us as fans to realise that and get behind the team. We have had a good few years. Now they need us. Welcome back Watfordo I’ve missed your posts. The one above is bang on the money, we need to get behind the team and support them. Richie will sort it out and we will come good again. Thanks, Thor. I gave the forum a break for a while when it went all ‘two tier Kier’! |
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Post by watfordo on Oct 28, 2024 12:59:53 GMT
I'm behind the team 100%, but I still think it's nailed on, we'll be relegated next May, simply because I believe there isn't 4 worse teams than us. I don't believe tinkering with the line up etc, will make any difference, the cold hard fact is the players are just not good enough. It appears the club is brassic, so I'm not expecting any major signings in January Before a ball was kicked in early August I forecast relegation, with less than 40 points being achieved, & nothing I've seen changes my mind 3 months on. I also believe, if new investors aren't found, we could do a Forest Green, and slip out of the league again, because the current squad aren't good enough for league 2. I fully expect hard times ahead, but I'm 100% behind my team and always will be There are more than 4 teams worse than us. We are not going down. Agree. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 28, 2024 13:04:11 GMT
''Agyie is a shadow of his former self. We have a habit of sucking the skill and enthusiasm out of our players leading the line'' I put that partly down to Richie's style of playing. Must make the one player up front so frustrated at being starved of the ball while expected to put so much into the game, running and putting defenders under pressure etc.
The suggestion put to Richie of having two up front was largely dismissed. He said we have 3 up front. Except we don’t and we all see that. We use a single striker with a couple out wider. Billy no mates in the middle and who is also expected to run around like a blue arsed fly. Thankless task. And it shows in performances, both Kelman and now Agyie looking well below what they could be. One up front, well marked. Are we trying to destroy a players confidence. Maybe I’m old school, probably, but I like strikers playing in pairs. Maybe Kelman and Agyie as a front two feeding off each other. A 3-5-2 formation with James and Currie offering width. Creative(ish) players sharing the middle 3 of the 5. Galbraith, ONeill, Ball, Graham, Brown, Pratley, etc rotating, keeping fresh, Can’t be worse than now. Don’t know. What I do know is our system with the players we have ain’t working now. ''Don’t know. What I do know is our system with the players we have ain’t working now'' Sounds to me like you are talking a lot of common sense !! I still like the old 4-4-2 type of formation, Simple it works and not too over complicated for the players to understand their roles in it. I also like and prefer the old way of playing with having two strikers up front one being a traditional type of centre forward with a twin striker feeding off him.
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Post by dennisrofe on Oct 28, 2024 13:07:12 GMT
There are more than 4 teams worse than us. We are not going down. Agree. That is a hopeful presumption but NOT a fact ! |
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