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Post by MungO on Feb 22, 2020 17:28:04 GMT
We've somehow scored two goals despite only having one attempt on target.
Long balls up to a small guy. Nothing fed through into him. No wing play.
I'm holding out hope that things settle down but for a 2-2 that was pretty dull.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 22, 2020 18:13:18 GMT
Same old same old. Why do we expect more.
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Post by redintheface on Feb 22, 2020 19:37:34 GMT
Having my own “ winter break.” from games at the moment , so unable to comment on how good/ bad things were today! From what I’ve read it certainly sounds the sort of game that the Sky Sports boys would describe as “ lacking in quality”😄
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Post by estaing on Feb 22, 2020 19:43:31 GMT
Like the thought of a “winter break”. I have decided that i am now going to have one until end of April. Fab😀 See you all next season.
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Post by taxio on Feb 22, 2020 20:08:50 GMT
We've somehow scored two goals despite only having one attempt on target. Long balls up to a small guy. Nothing fed through into him. No wing play. I'm holding out hope that things settle down but for a 2-2 that was pretty dull. All those crosses coming in from the wings in the second half to our non existent tall forward, same as last week and the week before that, and the week........ so then Ross where is Matty Harold, no mention of injury in program or from you but not on bench, so you think you can win games with our other three crocked forwards, If Matty fit he should play so their defenders know the guys gonna hurt them at least, unlike Conor Wilkinson, has he won a header in midfield yet. your driving him out just like Danny. Your job is to win games, yet each week we find new ways to lose a wining position. I'm fed up listening to you each week saying your not happy with it, how do you think we feel watching the dross you are responsible for week after week excuse after excuse.
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Post by redintheface on Feb 22, 2020 20:36:39 GMT
We've somehow scored two goals despite only having one attempt on target. Long balls up to a small guy. Nothing fed through into him. No wing play. I'm holding out hope that things settle down but for a 2-2 that was pretty dull. All those crosses coming in from the wings in the second half to our non existent tall forward, same as last week and the week before that, and the week........ so then Ross where is Matty Harold, no mention of injury in program or from you but not on bench, so you think you can win games with our other three crocked forwards, If Matty fit he should play so their defenders know the guys gonna hurt them at least, unlike Conor Wilkinson, has he won a header in midfield yet. your driving him out just like Danny. Your job is to win games, yet each week we find new ways to lose a wining position. I'm fed up listening to you each week saying your not happy with it, how do you think we feel watching the dross you are responsible for week after week excuse after excuse. I hear that there was a rare Louis Dennis sighting pre match today! I’m surprised anyone could remember what he looked like - perhaps the club should issue an artists impression?😀😁✌️
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Post by dohnut on Feb 23, 2020 6:45:45 GMT
Thinking about the game. We are safe so whilst it’s frustrating the result don’t much matter. What does are signs that Ross is learning his trade and the team are responding to his leadership.
Yet I don’t see any signs that give cause for optimism. Same old poor defending, same old lack of creativity in midfield and so few chances up front. Same old post match interviews.
Sure, bringing in a few new players may help but the current squad should be performing a lot better, they have the ability. Every game I hope for positive signs. Every game I’m disappointed.
We have enjoyed a run of games against out of form sides yet had to rely own goals, keeper errors and a freak for many of our strikes. We’re having our share of luck.
Let’s hope for better on Saturday
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Post by Ramrod on Feb 23, 2020 10:18:10 GMT
Having just seen the highlights, our defending for both their goals did look somewhat feeble. If Ling had been doing the marking he'd have been crucified for it.
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Post by redshank on Feb 23, 2020 12:52:37 GMT
Orient v Oldham,always a bore ,always a draw.Difficult conditions notwithstanding.
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Post by taxio on Feb 23, 2020 19:33:00 GMT
Having just seen the highlights, our defending for both their goals did look somewhat feeble. If Ling had been doing the marking he'd have been crucified for it. We managed to get the smallest bloke on the field marking the two big guys who both scored, have said before and i'll say it again, we find a new way to lose winning situations every bloody week, what clown thought of the idea of Marsh marking at corners the two biggest guys on the pitch. A kid of 12 could tell you what the result is gonna be.7 The same old blah blah from Ross shows he just wont learn
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Post by estaing on Feb 23, 2020 19:59:20 GMT
Having just seen the highlights, our defending for both their goals did look somewhat feeble. If Ling had been doing the marking he'd have been crucified for it. We managed to get the smallest bloke on the field marking the two big guys who both scored, have said before and i'll say it again, we find a new way to lose winning situations every bloody week, what clown thought of the idea of Marsh marking at corners the two biggest guys on the pitch. A kid of 12 could tell you what the result is gonna be.7 The same old blah blah from Ross shows he just wont learn I understood from recent interview with Embleton that Dean Brill was the coach responsible for the tactics against the opposition teams. Maybe Brilll also lacking experience in his new coaching role?
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Post by plumsteadow on Feb 24, 2020 9:12:45 GMT
should have played harrold in 2nd half
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Post by Ramrod on Feb 24, 2020 10:30:06 GMT
should have played harrold in 2nd half Injured.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 24, 2020 12:51:57 GMT
We all have different opinions about systems and players. Our opinions are never put to the test.
Ross works with the players daily, is a qualified trainer who knows their strengths and weaknesses physically and mentally and understands formations. He is ideally placed to be able to determine the best formation for the skill base we have.
Our performances therefore are a reflection of a poor squad or poor management. Perhaps a bit of both.
Our squad, player for player are, in my opinion, certainly good enough to be higher up the table. Not promotion material but not muppets either. Certainly capable of playing to a higher standard than they are and certainly capable of improvement. I struggle to see improvement.
So why the weekly s***efest? Why does all this talk that goes on behind the scenes make no difference. Why do we rely on own goals, penalties, freaks and errors to bolster our scoring capabilities. Why do we continually feck up at the back. What the feck is wrong? How long will we need to wait to see the seeds of recovery on the pitch?
Saturday we are playing FGR who have lost 5 on the spin at home and who are in free fall. 2 wins in 12. I will be interested to see how we set up against them and how we perform. An ideal opportunity to deliver a decent performance and result.
But here’s guessing we go with a negative formation that aims for the draw and hopes for a win. Should we lose, at least let’s give it a go. No more depressing displays like the second half at Cheltenham when you sit there knowing we will concede, just a question of when and how many.
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Post by carpslayer on Feb 24, 2020 13:12:43 GMT
We've somehow scored two goals despite only having one attempt on target. Long balls up to a small guy. Nothing fed through into him. No wing play. I'm holding out hope that things settle down but for a 2-2 that was pretty dull. at the end of the day its a start maybe not the best. I just think things are turning around all be it slow.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 24, 2020 14:35:54 GMT
We've somehow scored two goals despite only having one attempt on target. Long balls up to a small guy. Nothing fed through into him. No wing play. I'm holding out hope that things settle down but for a 2-2 that was pretty dull. at the end of the day its a start maybe not the best. I just think things are turning around all be it slow. I cannot believe anybody thinks things are turning round. Our form at the start of the season was average and we all understood and accepted the reasons why. Then things did start to improve and that showed in improved results. Interestingly after Ross said he was stepping down. Light at the end of a very dark tunnel. But since then, since Fletchergate and Ross’s reinstatement then with a few exceptions, very few, our performances have not improved at all. Saturday was not in any way shape or form an improvement. We are going nowhere. As clueless a team as I have ever seen. We can’t defend, we can’t attack and our midfield is mediocre. So where is the improvement? Cisse can’t do it by himself. He is good and miraculously helped Clay improve to average. That’s about as good as any Improvement gets. So I guess we have to wait until Ross learns his trade or runs out of excuses. I hope that is sooner than later. I for one am getting bored s***less watching us play, hoping to see an upturn in tactics, playing quality and results. The only improvement is the quality of the spin.
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Post by osal on Feb 24, 2020 16:21:27 GMT
We've somehow scored two goals despite only having one attempt on target. Long balls up to a small guy. Nothing fed through into him. No wing play. I'm holding out hope that things settle down but for a 2-2 that was pretty dull. at the end of the day its a start maybe not the best. I just think things are turning around all be it slow. It's all about opinions and as I have said before, I have only seen all the home games, so my assessment is based on those. We are six unbeaten at home, as Dave Victor seemed only too eager to praise Embleton for, but in those six we have only faced Northampton, who are in the top half of the table and that night, we got out of jail, with a penalty, that in hindsight, should probably not have been given, but obviously we will take it. So starting with the Grimsby game, where this unbeaten home run began, in all honesty, in my opinion, the performances haven't turned round at all, still poor defending, hardly any creativity and very few scoring chances in five very winnable games and we have failed to win three of them and the other two we just about managed to scramble over the line. The football played has, in the main, been dire and Embleton, doesn't appear to have learnt anything at all, tactics wise, culminating in the cackfest last Saturday, when the ex Salford player was given the freedom of Brisbane Road for Oldham's first, despite what he did to us here, last season for Salford. Don't get me wrong, I would love for Embleton to succeed, as I am a Leyton Orient supporter and have been for 61 years, but the biggest worry for me is, he has to be amongst the worse tactically inept managers(head coach), I have witnessed in that time.
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Post by redintheface on Feb 24, 2020 16:31:08 GMT
at the end of the day its a start maybe not the best. I just think things are turning around all be it slow. It's all about opinions and as I have said before, I have only seen all the home games, so my assessment is based on those. We are six unbeaten at home, as Dave Victor seemed only too eager to praise Embleton for, but in those six we have only faced Northampton, who are in the top half of the table and that night, we got out of jail, with a penalty, that in hindsight, should probably not have been given, but obviously we will take it. So starting with the Grimsby game, where this unbeaten home run began, in all honesty, in my opinion, the performances haven't turned round at all, still poor defending, hardly any creativity and very few scoring chances in five very winnable games and we have failed to win three of them and the other two we just about managed to scramble over the line. The football played has, in the main, been dire and Embleton, doesn't appear to have learnt anything at all, tactics wise, culminating in the cackfest last Saturday, when the ex Salford player was given the freedom of Brisbane Road for Oldham's first, despite what he did to us here, last season for Salford. Don't get me wrong, I would love for Embleton to succeed, as I am a Leyton Orient supporter and have been for 61 years, but the biggest worry for me is, he has to be amongst the worse tactically inept managers(head coach), I have witnessed in that time. I think is pretty much bang on! I wasn’t at Saturday’s game but from what I’ve seen over the last 4/5 weeks I would say that performances have stabilised somewhat but there has been little meaningful improvement overall. Certainly the hoped for “ bounce” hasn’t really happened yet.
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Post by redshank on Feb 24, 2020 17:11:36 GMT
The bounce hasn't really happened yet.Very true,still going boing,boing boing. The team are trying though,not their fault if they are not up to it. Enjoying the games and the challeng though.Remember the bumble bee.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 24, 2020 17:49:49 GMT
It's all about opinions and as I have said before, I have only seen all the home games, so my assessment is based on those. We are six unbeaten at home, as Dave Victor seemed only too eager to praise Embleton for, but in those six we have only faced Northampton, who are in the top half of the table and that night, we got out of jail, with a penalty, that in hindsight, should probably not have been given, but obviously we will take it. So starting with the Grimsby game, where this unbeaten home run began, in all honesty, in my opinion, the performances haven't turned round at all, still poor defending, hardly any creativity and very few scoring chances in five very winnable games and we have failed to win three of them and the other two we just about managed to scramble over the line. The football played has, in the main, been dire and Embleton, doesn't appear to have learnt anything at all, tactics wise, culminating in the cackfest last Saturday, when the ex Salford player was given the freedom of Brisbane Road for Oldham's first, despite what he did to us here, last season for Salford. Don't get me wrong, I would love for Embleton to succeed, as I am a Leyton Orient supporter and have been for 61 years, but the biggest worry for me is, he has to be amongst the worse tactically inept managers(head coach), I have witnessed in that time. I think is pretty much bang on! I wasn’t at Saturday’s game but from what I’ve seen over the last 4/5 weeks I would say that performances have stabilised somewhat but there has been little meaningful improvement overall. Certainly the hoped for “ bounce” hasn’t really happened yet. I think when looking at opposition recently, I get irritated by comments about unbeaten home runs and better form. That is simply spin. As are comments about judging Ross from when he got the job full time. The club doing all it can to paper over the issues of poor performance. Treating fans like idiots. Our home form is near bottom of the table. Whilst attendances are near top. The fans are doing their bit but the club are not. so are all the excuses about lots of games, travel, wind, injuries, referees. Stuff most teams can complain about is my guess. In my opinion we’ve had our share of good fortune including a run of games against struggling teams. Which continues Saturday against a side in free fall. has to be a win on Saturday.
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