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Post by Fisch on May 7, 2021 20:17:38 GMT
It's not inconceivable that Teague and Travis are at loggerheads over this. The former being the more likely of the two to insist on a good evidence based business decision, the latter more concerned with cultural issues. I would counsel them to do whatever brings a winning team, everything else flows from that.
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Post by Ramrod on May 7, 2021 22:01:23 GMT
Maybe not only new investors. It's conceivable that Kent too might prefer this as a means of maximising the chances of a positive return. I think that is a definite possibility. I doubt Teague was impressed with Fletcher, nor Ross. Perhaps he wants an experienced pair of hands in charge, like JE was for example. I know it’s a decision that will be a tough one. Perhaps an experienced guy with Jobi as assistant? Who knows. This is an attractive idea. I dare say it's not on the cards but in my book it's more appealing than Jobi going it alone. From Jobi's viewpoint, it could assist his development. It's not certain he's 100% ready or sold on the idea of stepping into management just yet.
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Post by sidmouth on May 8, 2021 5:58:34 GMT
I think now is the time to bring Russell Russell Slade back.
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Post by jimbo1983 on May 8, 2021 6:18:32 GMT
I think now is the time to bring Russell Russell Slade back. I would love it but again I doubt it would happen. Would certainly get the majority of fans backing I would suspect.
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Post by Fisch on May 8, 2021 6:40:58 GMT
I think now is the time to bring Russell Russell Slade back. I would love it but again I doubt it would happen. Would certainly get the majority of fans backing I would suspect. Julian (Lo down) and RS were openly promoting this idea in the latest podcast and, like you, I can see this being a winner. The trouble with dual managers is how-to determine dual responsibility. If it all goes wrong, which one do you fire?
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Post by jimbo1983 on May 8, 2021 7:07:56 GMT
I would love it but again I doubt it would happen. Would certainly get the majority of fans backing I would suspect. Julian (Lo down) and RS were openly promoting this idea in the latest podcast and, like you, I can see this being a winner. The trouble with dual managers is how-to determine dual responsibility. If it all goes wrong, which one do you fire? Ah I thought when I listened to part one I thought it was a no go. I would love it if he came back. I'll listen to part two. 👍👍
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Post by Fisch on May 8, 2021 7:10:36 GMT
. Ah I thought when I listened to part one I thought it was a no go. I would love it if he came back. I'll listen to part two. 👍👍 It may be a no go, I'm famous for picking up the wrong end of the stick so l could be bang out of order in this case.
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Post by disoriented on May 8, 2021 7:12:48 GMT
I think now is the time to bring Russell Russell Slade back. I would love it but again I doubt it would happen. Would certainly get the majority of fans backing I would suspect. Have to agree fella. He could really be a galvanising force for good.
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Post by dohnut on May 8, 2021 10:16:07 GMT
Was keen on Russ when the Fletcher/Ross debacle was going on. The right, mature, attitude to get the club through tough times with some sensitivity and build for the future. An opportunity lost. We would have been in a better place today I feel.
But now?
If we are going for experience then for me we must go for someone who has actually won promotion, ideally in League 2. With recent EFL experience. Russ in 25 years and 10+ clubs has never managed promotion. And his win rate since leaving Cardiff is mediocre. His record over the past 6 or so years is poor. If we want experience, Russ is no longer the man.
If we choose to emulate the likes of Exeter and Cambridge, both who appointed rookies from within, then Jobi is as good as it gets.
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Post by Fisch on May 8, 2021 10:25:04 GMT
Was keen on Russ when the Fletcher/Ross debacle was going on. The right, mature, attitude to get the club through tough times with some sensitivity and build for the future. An opportunity lost. We would have been in a better place today I feel. But now? If we are going for experience then for me we must go for someone who has actually won promotion, ideally in League 2. With recent EFL experience. Russ in 25 years and 10+ clubs has never managed promotion. And his win rate since leaving Cardiff is mediocre. His record over the past 6 or so years is poor. If we want experience, Russ is no longer the man. If we choose to emulate the likes of Exeter and Cambridge, both who appointed rookies from within, then Jobi is as good as it gets. I think it would be fairer to add that Slade took on some crackpot clubs. If you measure success, not in promotions, but in avoiding relegation whilst selling off all the best players, he is the world's leader. Even in that season 2013 when we lost the final at Wembley, Wolves and Brentford each outspent Russell's budget nearly 9 to 1. When he went to Cardiff, he had to clear out all those earning the Megabucks and still had good results. His times at Charlton and Coventry coincided with those clubs flirting with financial ruin. I defy anyone to get promotion at any of the opportunities he had, he won't give us exciting teams unless we really do shop at Harrods. With our board, I'd bet he'd fly.
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Post by redintheface on May 8, 2021 11:34:36 GMT
Was keen on Russ when the Fletcher/Ross debacle was going on. The right, mature, attitude to get the club through tough times with some sensitivity and build for the future. An opportunity lost. We would have been in a better place today I feel. But now? If we are going for experience then for me we must go for someone who has actually won promotion, ideally in League 2. With recent EFL experience. Russ in 25 years and 10+ clubs has never managed promotion. And his win rate since leaving Cardiff is mediocre. His record over the past 6 or so years is poor. If we want experience, Russ is no longer the man. If we choose to emulate the likes of Exeter and Cambridge, both who appointed rookies from within, then Jobi is as good as it gets. Must agree 100%. If Jobi is going to get the gig then he should get it and be allowed to stand on his own two feet. Can you imagine the field day people would have with both Ling & Slade working behind the scenes alongside him. Again imho seems to make a even stronger case for an outsider with no baggage coming in to take on the role.
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Post by dohnut on May 8, 2021 11:58:44 GMT
Was keen on Russ when the Fletcher/Ross debacle was going on. The right, mature, attitude to get the club through tough times with some sensitivity and build for the future. An opportunity lost. We would have been in a better place today I feel. But now? If we are going for experience then for me we must go for someone who has actually won promotion, ideally in League 2. With recent EFL experience. Russ in 25 years and 10+ clubs has never managed promotion. And his win rate since leaving Cardiff is mediocre. His record over the past 6 or so years is poor. If we want experience, Russ is no longer the man. If we choose to emulate the likes of Exeter and Cambridge, both who appointed rookies from within, then Jobi is as good as it gets. I think it would be fairer to add that Slade took on some crackpot clubs. If you measure success, not in promotions, but in avoiding relegation whilst selling off all the best players, he is the world's leader. Even in that season 2013 when we lost the final at Wembley, Wolves and Brentford each outspent Russell's budget nearly 9 to 1. When he went to Cardiff, he had to clear out all those earning the Megabucks and still had good results. His times at Charlton and Coventry coincided with those clubs flirting with financial ruin. I defy anyone to get promotion at any of the opportunities he had, he won't give us exciting teams unless we really do shop at Harrods. With our board, I'd bet he'd fly. I can get that argument. But who knows what any person could achieve given a different set of circumstances. For sure he got some tough gigs but that don’t change the fact that he, like endless other managers, could well have done better had they been given more money or joined clubs at a happier time. Or equally wasted the opportunity. Who knows. of course that all remains speculation. No guarantee if he got more money he would have used it well. Too many variables. Open to opinion. What is not a variable are the documented achievements of other experienced managers. Who, for all we know achieved in difficult circumstances too. All unknowns. Other than they achieved. The fact remains, if the club chooses experience then, in my opinion that has to be someone who has been their and done it. Promotion on the CV. Impossible to take all the “what ifs and maybes” into consideration. Such stuff no doubt applies to every experienced manager in the league, not just Slade.
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Post by Fisch on May 8, 2021 12:21:43 GMT
I wonder if we'll ever know why they picked the person they did.
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Post by harlowo on May 8, 2021 12:24:23 GMT
The only reason I think he won’t get the job is if he doesn’t want to take it.
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Post by redintheface on May 8, 2021 12:28:22 GMT
I wonder if we'll ever know why they picked the person they did. Hopefully because “ they” believe the person selected is the best available candidate for the job?
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Post by redintheface on May 8, 2021 12:33:11 GMT
The only reason I think he won’t get the job is if he doesn’t want to take it. That doesn’t appear to demonstrate a great deal of faith in the ability of the owner’s and DoF to make rational decisions based upon logic and objective criteria imho! 😳
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Post by Fisch on May 8, 2021 13:02:21 GMT
I wonder if we'll ever know why they picked the person they did. Hopefully because “ they” believe the person selected is the best available candidate for the job? I don't get your point, of course they will say that, but will we ever know why they think the appointee is the best choice?
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Post by redintheface on May 8, 2021 13:35:03 GMT
Hopefully because “ they” believe the person selected is the best available candidate for the job? I don't get your point, of course they will say that, but will we ever know why they think the appointee is the best choice? The club has been fairly communicative in respect of recent appointees I think. Trouble is, whilst they might explain their choice- for some, those reasons will be disputed or not be accepted at face value. Fletcher is a case in point - “up to date leadership skills” “ ticked all the boxes” “ kept coming out on top” “ etc, etc! We might think we know their reasons - but that can only ever be speculation. In essence it all depends to what extent you believe what you’re told I guess!👍
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Post by MungO on May 8, 2021 14:37:11 GMT
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Post by buffalobill on May 8, 2021 14:56:13 GMT
Shame for Jobi.
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