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Post by osoldguy on Jul 15, 2023 8:08:07 GMT
Southend were booked to play a pre-season game at Billericay today. It was cancelled cos SU can't field a team. It does look like the end now. So sad for them. It seems they may be allowed to recruit to reach 16 players. Whether contract or non-contract I don’t know. To be honest, with players having no clubs Im sure plenty will welcome the opportunity to showcase their skills. No transfer deadline will apply. The NL are in talks with the club. Paying is the issue. They have no money. Even then some players may well play for free just for the opportunity. The supporters club have started a hardship fund for those not paid for several months, though I believe some players have been. An ex-player who owns a gym has put that on offer to the players, to keep fit. As I understand it, if training, there is no insurance cover for the players. Bill not paid. Not quite the end, depends not on the court but the NL who will I’m sure avoid removing then from the league if at all possible. But there are an awful lot of people doing what they can to avoid their demise. I wish them luck. 120 years of history. Are the FA, EFL and who ever are regulating football in this country still restricting ownership by Prem or other clubs sponsoring or outright owning clubs? If they were not, the likes of the lofty London clubs could have adopted the Shrimpers as their Nursury club to develop players, give first team players an opportunity to play if coming back from injury or on the fringes, and just as important develop young players coming through the ranks. I think I have seen in La liga Barcelona have a B team playing in the lower La liga section. Southend demise would not be on the table as when I lived in the area a lot of Hammers fans used to go to the Friday night games at Southend then onto the Boleyn on a Saturday if the Hammers were at home.West Ham would be the ideal club to have the Shrimpers under their wing. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 15, 2023 12:16:53 GMT
It seems they may be allowed to recruit to reach 16 players. Whether contract or non-contract I don’t know. To be honest, with players having no clubs Im sure plenty will welcome the opportunity to showcase their skills. No transfer deadline will apply. The NL are in talks with the club. Paying is the issue. They have no money. Even then some players may well play for free just for the opportunity. The supporters club have started a hardship fund for those not paid for several months, though I believe some players have been. An ex-player who owns a gym has put that on offer to the players, to keep fit. As I understand it, if training, there is no insurance cover for the players. Bill not paid. Not quite the end, depends not on the court but the NL who will I’m sure avoid removing then from the league if at all possible. But there are an awful lot of people doing what they can to avoid their demise. I wish them luck. 120 years of history. Are the FA, EFL and who ever are regulating football in this country still restricting ownership by Prem or other clubs sponsoring or outright owning clubs? If they were not, the likes of the lofty London clubs could have adopted the Shrimpers as their Nursury club to develop players, give first team players an opportunity to play if coming back from injury or on the fringes, and just as important develop young players coming through the ranks. I think I have seen in La liga Barcelona have a B team playing in the lower La liga section. Southend demise would not be on the table as when I lived in the area a lot of Hammers fans used to go to the Friday night games at Southend then onto the Boleyn on a Saturday if the Hammers were at home.West Ham would be the ideal club to have the Shrimpers under their wing. Interesting thought. Not too sure how well it would work. For a team like Southend or us, being linked to a premier team has its upside. Finance of course and the prospect of watching better players. But there would also mean no promotion. The prospect of the premiership and championship being dominated by top clubs and their in effect reserves is not for me. Which is the logical out come. Worse still, Man Utd Vs Man Utd reserves as a premiership fixture just is not on. So the teams under the wing of big clubs would out of need be forever limited to the lower tiers. And as much as I hate the thoughts of relegation, the thoughts of never achieving the dream of promotion would kill the game for me. A better solution is a fairer distribution of revenue, controlled, to allow lower league clubs to function is a better more secure manner. But monies distributed needs to be controlled for example to cover backroom costs like training facilities, insurance, maintenance and so on and not used by owners to build playing squads and wages beyond their means. |
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Post by Fisch on Jul 15, 2023 12:45:18 GMT
Interesting stuff. Is it not de-facto that Borehamwood are, in all practical ways, the development club for Arsenal's youth? I know the names on the ownership will demonstrate that is not the case but that'd be an easy fix.
In the NL, it probably isn't an 'in your face' problem but l understand that BW's status is carefully ... ummm .... "husbanded" by the north London giants.
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Post by orientsc on Jul 15, 2023 13:37:28 GMT
It seems they may be allowed to recruit to reach 16 players. Whether contract or non-contract I don’t know. To be honest, with players having no clubs Im sure plenty will welcome the opportunity to showcase their skills. No transfer deadline will apply. The NL are in talks with the club. Paying is the issue. They have no money. Even then some players may well play for free just for the opportunity. The supporters club have started a hardship fund for those not paid for several months, though I believe some players have been. An ex-player who owns a gym has put that on offer to the players, to keep fit. As I understand it, if training, there is no insurance cover for the players. Bill not paid. Not quite the end, depends not on the court but the NL who will I’m sure avoid removing then from the league if at all possible. But there are an awful lot of people doing what they can to avoid their demise. I wish them luck. 120 years of history. Are the FA, EFL and who ever are regulating football in this country still restricting ownership by Prem or other clubs sponsoring or outright owning clubs? If they were not, the likes of the lofty London clubs could have adopted the Shrimpers as their Nursury club to develop players, give first team players an opportunity to play if coming back from injury or on the fringes, and just as important develop young players coming through the ranks. I think I have seen in La liga Barcelona have a B team playing in the lower La liga section. Southend demise would not be on the table as when I lived in the area a lot of Hammers fans used to go to the Friday night games at Southend then onto the Boleyn on a Saturday if the Hammers were at home.West Ham would be the ideal club to have the Shrimpers under their wing. These are interesting points, and maybe this idea is worth a thread of its own. I candidly say that I am fearful my local football team will one day be absorbed into this kind of system that you described. Our local baseball team is a farm team for the Boston Red Sox and they built us a mini Fenway and we have seen serious talent come through. Cheap tickets, soft drinks and hot dogs and all of it. I am perfectly happy with it for baseball. Football is different. I am what is called here a pro/rel zealot. I have seen some good football in this purgatory like setting we have in the US, but the romance(please forgive me) is not real at any level. Please England please protect the pyramid at all costs including cleaning up what needs to be cleaned up, or one day you could have a top level that has one owner own multiple teams in that level. I have seen it with my own eyes. |
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Post by redshank on Jul 15, 2023 14:00:20 GMT
Interesting stuff. Is it not de-facto that Borehamwood are, in all practical ways, the development club for Arsenal's youth? I know the names on the ownership will demonstrate that is not the case but that'd be an easy fix. In the NL, it probably isn't an 'in your face' problem but l understand that BW's status is carefully ... ummm .... "husbanded" by the north London giants. Very interesting comment Fisch,wondered how they have done so well with such a small fanbase. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 15, 2023 14:05:29 GMT
Are the FA, EFL and who ever are regulating football in this country still restricting ownership by Prem or other clubs sponsoring or outright owning clubs? If they were not, the likes of the lofty London clubs could have adopted the Shrimpers as their Nursury club to develop players, give first team players an opportunity to play if coming back from injury or on the fringes, and just as important develop young players coming through the ranks. I think I have seen in La liga Barcelona have a B team playing in the lower La liga section. Southend demise would not be on the table as when I lived in the area a lot of Hammers fans used to go to the Friday night games at Southend then onto the Boleyn on a Saturday if the Hammers were at home.West Ham would be the ideal club to have the Shrimpers under their wing. These are interesting points, and maybe this idea is worth a thread of its own. I candidly say that I am fearful my local football team will one day be absorbed into this kind of system that you described. Our local baseball team is a farm team for the Boston Red Sox and they built us a mini Fenway and we have seen serious talent come through. Cheap tickets, soft drinks and hot dogs and all of it. I am perfectly happy with it for baseball. Football is different. I am what is called here a pro/rel zealot. I have seen some good football in this purgatory like setting we have in the US, but the romance(please forgive me) is not real at any level. Please England please protect the pyramid at all costs including cleaning up what needs to be cleaned up, or one day you could have a top level that has one owner own multiple teams in that level. I have seen it with my own eyes. The pyramid with its promotion and relegation battles is what makes football work in my opinion. I have no issues with, for example Premier teams using lower league grounds and paying for it through structural stuff like facilities, pitches and so on. I’m grateful to Spurs for helping fund our pitch. But that is a far cry from premier teams using NL sides as a way of giving their contracted players the opportunity to play regular football. In effect becoming a premier teams reserve squad. That doesn’t happen and it’s just not on. And it won’t. The rules have already changed regarding the number of players teams can loan out. Stops the likes of Chelsea having huge squads, mopping up talent then farming them out for experience whilst they monitor progress. So if premier teams help lower clubs, great. Pitches etc, great. But the players of the lower clubs are contracted to them and free to go wherever should they develop enough without any obligation to one club. Changing the currency system would destroy much of the passion. |
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Post by redshank on Jul 15, 2023 14:08:08 GMT
Are the FA, EFL and who ever are regulating football in this country still restricting ownership by Prem or other clubs sponsoring or outright owning clubs? If they were not, the likes of the lofty London clubs could have adopted the Shrimpers as their Nursury club to develop players, give first team players an opportunity to play if coming back from injury or on the fringes, and just as important develop young players coming through the ranks. I think I have seen in La liga Barcelona have a B team playing in the lower La liga section. Southend demise would not be on the table as when I lived in the area a lot of Hammers fans used to go to the Friday night games at Southend then onto the Boleyn on a Saturday if the Hammers were at home.West Ham would be the ideal club to have the Shrimpers under their wing. These are interesting points, and maybe this idea is worth a thread of its own. I candidly say that I am fearful my local football team will one day be absorbed into this kind of system that you described. Our local baseball team is a farm team for the Boston Red Sox and they built us a mini Fenway and we have seen serious talent come through. Cheap tickets, soft drinks and hot dogs and all of it. I am perfectly happy with it for baseball. Football is different. I am what is called here a pro/rel zealot. I have seen some good football in this purgatory like setting we have in the US, but the romance(please forgive me) is not real at any level. Please England please protect the pyramid at all costs including cleaning up what needs to be cleaned up, or one day you could have a top level that has one owner own multiple teams in that level. I have seen it with my own eyes. This is what I fear with our game of cricket.An ugly version of the game called the hundred is a City based base form of the natural game of cricket.It is a franchise made up game and can do nothing but kill its village team roots.Many cheer it on,but what is going on in England is an Ashes series of test matches,the highest and ageless form of the game which is already being lost to franchise cricket,commonly known as hit and giggle. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 15, 2023 14:09:03 GMT
Interesting stuff. Is it not de-facto that Borehamwood are, in all practical ways, the development club for Arsenal's youth? I know the names on the ownership will demonstrate that is not the case but that'd be an easy fix. In the NL, it probably isn't an 'in your face' problem but l understand that BW's status is carefully ... ummm .... "husbanded" by the north London giants. Very interesting comment Fisch,wondered how they have done so well with such a small fanbase. But that doesn’t extend to Arsenal using BW as an opportunity to develop their own contracted players in matches other than through a loan system which is open to all. Which is what nursery clubs do. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 15, 2023 14:32:31 GMT
These are interesting points, and maybe this idea is worth a thread of its own. I candidly say that I am fearful my local football team will one day be absorbed into this kind of system that you described. Our local baseball team is a farm team for the Boston Red Sox and they built us a mini Fenway and we have seen serious talent come through. Cheap tickets, soft drinks and hot dogs and all of it. I am perfectly happy with it for baseball. Football is different. I am what is called here a pro/rel zealot. I have seen some good football in this purgatory like setting we have in the US, but the romance(please forgive me) is not real at any level. Please England please protect the pyramid at all costs including cleaning up what needs to be cleaned up, or one day you could have a top level that has one owner own multiple teams in that level. I have seen it with my own eyes. This is what I fear with our game of cricket.An ugly version of the game called the hundred is a City based base form of the natural game of cricket.It is a franchise made up game and can do nothing but kill its village team roots.Many cheer it on,but what is going on in England is an Ashes series of test matches,the highest and ageless form of the game which is already being lost to franchise cricket,commonly known as hit and giggle. Can only say what I posted before. Read Stokes article on his take and his view being the short game is giving a great boost to the red ball game by increasing awareness and popularity. puts bums on seats, brings in the money and allows players to earn a decent living. The County game has been dying for years due to lack of interest. No matter what the cricket board do, we see points changing for first innings leads, batting and bowling points, two divisions, 3 days or 4 days. End result is games in 90% empty grounds. Nobody wants to watch. I haven’t been to a County game for years and as much as I love cricket there is nothing in a County game that would tempt me. I rarely even look at the tables these days. But the short game! Saw Essex play Hampshire at the Bowl two weeks ago. The stadium was heaving, food and drinks vendors doing lots of trade. Young children with their bats and ball playing like their heroes. Women they’re too, young and old. All enjoying a game of cricket. Great atmosphere. You won’t see that at a County game. There is a place for both. I love test cricket, just can’t get a ticket without shelling out £200 plus for a day. I’m having a day out at Lords with friends who, before getting a free ticket a 100s game last year had never been to or watched a game. Now looking forward to this. It is raising awareness, putting bums on seats and money into the game. They don’t know the difference between a leg spinner and a medium pacer. What they do know is they now enjoy going to Lords. They are not alone. The game is increasing interest in a whole new generation of people who maybe don’t understand the finer points, but just enjoy the game. |
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Post by redshank on Jul 15, 2023 14:50:53 GMT
This is what I fear with our game of cricket.An ugly version of the game called the hundred is a City based base form of the natural game of cricket.It is a franchise made up game and can do nothing but kill its village team roots.Many cheer it on,but what is going on in England is an Ashes series of test matches,the highest and ageless form of the game which is already being lost to franchise cricket,commonly known as hit and giggle. Can only say what I posted before. Read Stokes article on his take and his view being the short game is giving a great boost to the red ball game by increasing awareness and popularity. puts bums on seats, brings in the money and allows players to earn a decent living. The County game has been dying for years due to lack of interest. No matter what the cricket board do, we see points changing for first innings leads, batting and bowling points, two divisions, 3 days or 4 days. End result is games in 90% empty grounds. Nobody wants to watch. I haven’t been to a County game for years and as much as I love cricket there is nothing in a County game that would tempt me. I rarely even look at the tables these days. But the short game! Saw Essex play Hampshire at the Bowl two weeks ago. The stadium was heaving, food and drinks vendors doing lots of trade. Young children with their bats and ball playing like their heroes. Women they’re too, young and old. All enjoying a game of cricket. Great atmosphere. You won’t see that at a County game. There is a place for both. I love test cricket, just can’t get a ticket without shelling out £200 plus for a day. I’m having a day out at Lords with friends who, before getting a free ticket a 100s game last year had never been to or watched a game. Now looking forward to this. It is raising awareness, putting bums on seats and money into the game. They don’t know the difference between a leg spinner and a medium pacer. What they do know is they now enjoy going to Lords. They are not alone. The game is increasing interest in a whole new generation of people who maybe don’t understand the finer points, but just enjoy the game. Let no one take that from you,but don't complain when Hampshire becomes a franchise or your best players go all around the world paying franchise cricket and leave the second team to play in the county championship.Or worse when England players go for the franchises instead of playing for England as one has done so already.I don't blame the players,I blame the ESB and the television moguls.Hampshire I believe are hosting an Ashes match in2027 and the northern powerhouse teams are complaining that they are the main base of cricket. |
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Post by osoldguy on Jul 15, 2023 15:33:33 GMT
Can only say what I posted before. Read Stokes article on his take and his view being the short game is giving a great boost to the red ball game by increasing awareness and popularity. puts bums on seats, brings in the money and allows players to earn a decent living. The County game has been dying for years due to lack of interest. No matter what the cricket board do, we see points changing for first innings leads, batting and bowling points, two divisions, 3 days or 4 days. End result is games in 90% empty grounds. Nobody wants to watch. I haven’t been to a County game for years and as much as I love cricket there is nothing in a County game that would tempt me. I rarely even look at the tables these days. But the short game! Saw Essex play Hampshire at the Bowl two weeks ago. The stadium was heaving, food and drinks vendors doing lots of trade. Young children with their bats and ball playing like their heroes. Women they’re too, young and old. All enjoying a game of cricket. Great atmosphere. You won’t see that at a County game. There is a place for both. I love test cricket, just can’t get a ticket without shelling out £200 plus for a day. I’m having a day out at Lords with friends who, before getting a free ticket a 100s game last year had never been to or watched a game. Now looking forward to this. It is raising awareness, putting bums on seats and money into the game. They don’t know the difference between a leg spinner and a medium pacer. What they do know is they now enjoy going to Lords. They are not alone. The game is increasing interest in a whole new generation of people who maybe don’t understand the finer points, but just enjoy the game. Let no one take that from you,but don't complain when Hampshire becomes a franchise or your best players go all around the world paying franchise cricket and leave the second team to play in the county championship.Or worse when England players go for the franchises instead of playing for England as one has done so already.I don't blame the players,I blame the ESB and the television moguls.Hampshire I believe are hosting an Ashes match in2027 and the northern powerhouse teams are complaining that they are the main base of cricket. As regard my Post I checked the La liga regulations the top sides with B sides, these B sides are not permitted to rise above the second tier of their league. |
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Post by moonwalk19 on Jul 15, 2023 16:21:17 GMT
Southend were booked to play a pre-season game at Billericay today. It was cancelled cos SU can't field a team. It does look like the end now. So sad for them. I wonder how many supporters have renewed their season tickets for the forthcoming season. The money the club got should have paid staff wages. It’s obvious has gone into the chairman’s pocket. Any supporter must be mad renewing their ticket .Better to give it to the local food bank |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 15, 2023 16:55:44 GMT
Can only say what I posted before. Read Stokes article on his take and his view being the short game is giving a great boost to the red ball game by increasing awareness and popularity. puts bums on seats, brings in the money and allows players to earn a decent living. The County game has been dying for years due to lack of interest. No matter what the cricket board do, we see points changing for first innings leads, batting and bowling points, two divisions, 3 days or 4 days. End result is games in 90% empty grounds. Nobody wants to watch. I haven’t been to a County game for years and as much as I love cricket there is nothing in a County game that would tempt me. I rarely even look at the tables these days. But the short game! Saw Essex play Hampshire at the Bowl two weeks ago. The stadium was heaving, food and drinks vendors doing lots of trade. Young children with their bats and ball playing like their heroes. Women they’re too, young and old. All enjoying a game of cricket. Great atmosphere. You won’t see that at a County game. There is a place for both. I love test cricket, just can’t get a ticket without shelling out £200 plus for a day. I’m having a day out at Lords with friends who, before getting a free ticket a 100s game last year had never been to or watched a game. Now looking forward to this. It is raising awareness, putting bums on seats and money into the game. They don’t know the difference between a leg spinner and a medium pacer. What they do know is they now enjoy going to Lords. They are not alone. The game is increasing interest in a whole new generation of people who maybe don’t understand the finer points, but just enjoy the game. Let no one take that from you,but don't complain when Hampshire becomes a franchise or your best players go all around the world paying franchise cricket and leave the second team to play in the county championship.Or worse when England players go for the franchises instead of playing for England as one has done so already.I don't blame the players,I blame the ESB and the television moguls.Hampshire I believe are hosting an Ashes match in2027 and the northern powerhouse teams are complaining that they are the main base of cricket. The Ageas bowl or rose bowl as I still call it is a superb venue, more of that later. But its existence owes nothing to county cricket and everything to the with short game. A prime example of the white ball game generating interest and money. And supporting the County game. Around the ground a golf course has been built and a hotel, with restaurant called from memory Bothams. Car parking and nice lighted walks to the ground. The ground itself is a fantastic place to watch cricket. Love it. And a joy when big crowds arrive to watch the short game. I’m trying to get tickets for next months hundreds and even my wife wants to go. Such is the draw of the 100s, she wants to go! All she knows about cricket is how to spell it. But she loves the entertainment of the short game, evening when she moved sharpish as a six whooshed by. I did warn her we were in the 6 hit target area. I was right. getting back to the ground. The Hilton has balconies overlooking the pitch. Decided it would be nice to book a room for Mrs doh and I the day/evening of the game. Sitting on the balcony, watching the games, bottle of bubbly. Perfect, who says Romance is dead. Price on game day, £521. Such is the draw of the one day game they can get away with rip off prices like that. I’ll be driving home after the game, cheapskate. the white ball game is responsible for creating a venue that now touts for and gets not only short game internationals of which I’ve seen several, but for test cricket. And without doubt sell out crowds. A prime example of the white ball game and the expansion of test cricket in England. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 15, 2023 17:15:04 GMT
Southend were booked to play a pre-season game at Billericay today. It was cancelled cos SU can't field a team. It does look like the end now. So sad for them. I wonder how many supporters have renewed their season tickets for the forthcoming season. The money the club got should have paid staff wages. It’s obvious has gone into the chairman’s pocket. Any supporter must be mad renewing their ticket .Better to give it to the local food bank Massive debate on shrimperzone about this. Passions understandably running high. Quite a few is the answer but it’s very marmite. I really don’t know what I’d do. |
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Post by Fisch on Aug 23, 2023 13:13:33 GMT
Another "last and final" chance to find a buyer. BBC says .... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66591344The buyers Martin said he had in July have pulled out, he now claims to have an un-named crew from Australia. Smoke and mirrors? Got to be settled by 4th October according to the court order. |
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Post by dohnut on Aug 23, 2023 13:23:13 GMT
And this time it seems final. Pressure to sell is immense and puts buyers in a very strong position. Hope a buyer is found. Only 6 weeks left. |
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Post by redshank on Aug 23, 2023 14:38:18 GMT
I wonder what the true cost will be to the supporters of Southend United.
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Post by Thor on Aug 23, 2023 15:15:36 GMT
Another "last and final" chance to find a buyer. BBC says .... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66591344The buyers Martin said he had in July have pulled out, he now claims to have an un-named crew from Australia. Smoke and mirrors? Got to be settled by 4th October according to the court order. didn't the previous buyers of Charlton come from Australia only for it to fall through?? |
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Post by FargO on Aug 23, 2023 15:42:01 GMT
Another "last and final" chance to find a buyer. BBC says .... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66591344The buyers Martin said he had in July have pulled out, he now claims to have an un-named crew from Australia. Smoke and mirrors? Got to be settled by 4th October according to the court order. They should be so lucky, lucky lucky lucky |
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Post by dohnut on Aug 23, 2023 16:16:24 GMT
Another "last and final" chance to find a buyer. BBC says .... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66591344The buyers Martin said he had in July have pulled out, he now claims to have an un-named crew from Australia. Smoke and mirrors? Got to be settled by 4th October according to the court order. They should be so lucky, lucky lucky lucky The buyers consortium leader has been name and apparently due diligence is taking place. Hope that process is better than when we got FB. Expecting sale by end September. One or two other issues to negotiate before then. Just read the 10 point penalty has been confirmed. What a mess their owner is making of a fine club. 15 players, won two of their opening 4, 9th in the tables. The coaching and playing staff doing their bit and then some. How demoralising this must be. |
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